China amends rules to improve Party work in armed forces

[below_freezing]

Seeing that CCP ruled China without any meaningful opposition since 1949, it would be easy to declare it capable. I could declare myself champion of a car race when I am the only participant. Even now people are struggling with housing, healthcare and food inflation.

And a country of comparable size, India, is a paradise of plenty, where people all live in mansions, the lifespan is 90, and food is free!

A democracy like Mexico is also a safe haven, where there are no drugs, no corruption, housing is cheap, healthcare easy and food free because it's DEMOCRACY and we all know that democracy gives people houses, healthcare and beats inflation!

 

[cross1993]

I've said: "Democracy" is only a rule. It just the West rules, not ours.

Britons have rules "The transmission of civilization", use it to colonial the world.
Crusader have rules "Holy war", use it to invasion of the Middle East.
Ancient China also have rules "教化蛮夷", we certainly is not a good neighbor...

Therefore, "Democracy" is only the West to develop rules of the game. If we do not create our own rules, we can never win.

 

[ephone]

Clearly this guy "S10" is a 民运分子“.

He must get his axx kicked pretty hard by CCP.

I think we just need ignore this type of person in this forum. It is really useless to debate with him.

Fundamentally, he wanted to overthrow CCP. Well, let him go ahead and do it. The most he can do is to bash CCP day in and day out.

Personally, I think CCP has significant problems inside and the current one party system has great flaws.

However, I still prefer it to 民运分子 much more.

 

[below_freezing]

Clearly this guy "S10" is a 民运分子“.

He must get his axx kicked pretty hard by CCP.

I think we just need ignore this type of person in this forum. It is really useless to debate with him.

Fundamentally, he wanted to overthrow CCP. Well, let him go ahead and do it. The most he can do is to bash CCP day in and day out.

Personally, I think CCP has significant problems inside and the current one party system has great flaws.

However, I still prefer it to 民运分子 much more.

Agreed. I'd like people to stop saying "CPC" though, as if it was the whole party that's a problem. Most party members do not get any power or money. 1/9 adults in China are party members. I have party members in my family. The old workers who are laid off from state owned factories are all party members. I remember one survey showed that CPC members are no more likely to agree with government actions than non-CPC members. Fact is, corruption, crime and lawless officials victimize everyone equally, including party members.

 

[S10]

And a country of comparable size, India, is a paradise of plenty, where people all live in mansions, the lifespan is 90, and food is free!

A democracy like Mexico is also a safe haven, where there are no drugs, no corruption, housing is cheap, healthcare easy and food free because it's DEMOCRACY and we all know that democracy gives people houses, healthcare and beats inflation!

Like I said, people are less likely to openly rebel if livelihoods aren't threatened. When it becomes so, demands for political freedom can be a catalyst force that topples totalitarian governments. In fact, we witnessed two cases just recently.

Clearly this guy "S10" is a 民运分子“.

He must get his axx kicked pretty hard by CCP.

I think we just need ignore this type of person in this forum. It is really useless to debate with him.

Fundamentally, he wanted to overthrow CCP. Well, let him go ahead and do it. The most he can do is to bash CCP day in and day out.

Personally, I think CCP has significant problems inside and the current one party system has great flaws.

However, I still prefer it to 民运分子 much more.

If one opposes CCP, that must mean one is either 民运 or 轮子. Amazing how simple minded you are. I am certainly getting my kicked NOT living in a authoritarian regime run by an oligarchy, with restricted political freedom.

 

[S10]

Agreed. I'd like people to stop saying "CPC" though, as if it was the whole party that's a problem. Most party members do not get any power or money. 1/9 adults in China are party members. I have party members in my family. The old workers who are laid off from state owned factories are all party members. I remember one survey showed that CPC members are no more likely to agree with government actions than non-CPC members. Fact is, corruption, crime and lawless officials victimize everyone equally, including party members.

You know, Communist Party in USSR had millions of party members too. Certainly not all of them hold power. Hell you can even say the communists elevated Russia to superpower after WWII, therefore they are even more accompolished than CCP.

They folded like a cheap suitcase within the span of two years.

 

[CardSharp]

You know, Communist Party in USSR had millions of party members too. Certainly not all of them hold power. Hell you can even say the communists elevated Russia to superpower after WWII, therefore they are even more accompolished than CCP.

They folded like a cheap suitcase within the span of two years.

I can't really take you seriously when you really think it would good for China to undergo same misery that the Russians went through. If you just a blind cheerleader for democracy without carefully examining its qualities or faults (even being open to looking at the negatives) and offer an idea of how China can make a peaceful and successful transition, then I'm damned glad you are here in Canada and that you can have zero effect on China fate.

 

[S10]

I can't really take you seriously when you really think it would good for China to undergo same misery that the Russians went through. If you just a blind cheerleader for democracy without carefully examining its qualities or faults (even being open to looking at the negatives) and offer an idea of how China can make a peaceful and successful transition, then I'm damned glad you are here in Canada and that you can have zero effect on China fate.

No, I do not want China to fracture and weaken like USSR, but I am saying that authoritarian regimes historically have violent ends. There is a lesson to be learned in there. When a government fails to provide a decent standard of living for most, calls for political freedom can be the final straw that breaks a camel's back.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

No, I do not want China to fracture and weaken like USSR, but I am saying that authoritarian regimes historically have violent ends. There is a lesson to be learned in there. When a government fails to provide a decent standard of living for most, calls for political freedom can be the final straw that breaks a camel's back.

Political freedom won't be the cause. Only economic failure would cause that.

 

[CardSharp]

No, I do not want China to fracture and weaken like USSR, but I am saying that authoritarian regimes historically have violent ends. There is a lesson to be learned in there. When a government fails to provide a decent standard of living for most, calls for political freedom can be the final straw that breaks a camel's back.

Fine and I asked before on the message board how China should make a peaceful and successful transition and what your ideas about it are, because anything resembling Russia's experience is going to devastate the lives of millions and millions of people.

 

[S10]

Political freedom won't be the cause. Only economic failure would cause that.

Whenever you have a growing middle class, there will be greater demands for rights and freedom. In case of economic failure, political freedom allows the people to replace the government without resorting to violent means. The USSR did not have such a mechanism, and the resulting rebellion made current day Russia a shell of its former self.

 

[CardSharp]

Whenever you have a growing middle class, there will be greater demands for rights and freedom. In case of economic failure, political freedom allows the people to replace the government without resorting to violent means. The USSR did not have such a mechanism, and the resulting rebellion made current day Russia a shell of its former self.

Do you think that China now has a sufficient middle class?

 

[tanlixiang28776]

Do you think that China now has a sufficient middle class?

We still have a lot of dirt poor people.

 

[S10]

Do you think that China now has a sufficient middle class?

If you mean stirr things up by demanding greater transparency in government, nationalized military, independent judiciary and freedom of the press, then yes. These keep society stable in the long run.

 

[S10]

We still have a lot of dirt poor people.

Even Canada has a good number of poors. Elimination of poverty does not conflict with greater openness and freedom.