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Why Pakistan is still undecided about sending troops to fight in Yemen

Why is China mentioned here ? First of all unlike what our Iranian friend have been saying here China did not condemn the Saudi intervention it merely said that China is concerned about the situation in Yemen and urges for a peaceful settlement and for all sides to negotiate. Translation we don't give a rats a** what is happening in Yemen. Or what the Saudi's are doing. China only condemns foreign intervention when it is done by the Americans.:enjoy: China didn't condemn the Russian intervention in the Ukraine either.

As for a Pakistani involvement in the conflict I don't think that China would pressure Pakistan to stayout. Why would China do such a thing ? Its Pakistans decision rather or not to go.
 
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You want us to support an armed group which by force capturing cities and gov.Is that what u r saying??R u mad?? how u can support any Armed group politically or moraly according to u, who is capturing cities with guns...Tomorrow if armed group in iran do the same thing even then u will preach us that we must support that armed group and not the irani gov??
Houthis captured +90% of areas without firing a bullet and while people supported them.

Also they are not a simple 'armed group'. Zaidis have rules Yemen for 1000 years, they are not new players and they didn't want to topple government first.

many guys here are very poorly educated about Yemen situation. They gave Hadi 4 months to do something about corruption after they captured Sana'a. If they ahd any plans for ruling Yemen or to forcefully topple government like other armed groups, they'd kill Hadi in day 1 after capturing Sana'a. You guys don't even know what Houthis wanted. After Hadi refused to do something about it, they placed him under house arrest and then he fled to Saudi Arabia begging them to bomb his own country.
 
Genius first get your facts right KSA is attacking rebels who are trying to topple government on Gun Point Yemeni Government supports Saudi action against rebels
Dear my fact are right KSA is intervening in Yemen to support his puppet their same as USSR intervene in Afghanistan in early 80's to support his puppet their..

IDK let him decide first.
dear Pakistani troops are already their in KSA for the safety of KSA.
 
How hadi fled to saudi arabia when he was under house arrest???R houthis idiots??They even can not guard the man arrested by them??U should make better story next time my friend. Their is no ground offence by the GCC countries yet but Hadi is requesting for the ground offencive.I think ground offence is not launched because Pakistan did not send its forces their and GCC ground forces r not trained enough to fight this type of war.
 
Yemen’s quagmire


HERE are some questions not being asked about our potential participation in Saudi Arabia’s military campaign in Yemen. What exactly is the objective of the Saudi intervention there? Is it simply to pave the way for the return of Hadi’s government? If so, how long can that government last on its own? Will the Saudis, after paving the way for the return of Hadi, commit themselves to a long-term state-building enterprise in Yemen? If so, how long will the occupation last?

Secondly, if we assume for a moment that Pakistan is indeed to commit troops for a ground operation, what will be their rules of engagement? What will be their instructions on how to tell friend from foe? What legal cover will they be given, in the event they are drawn into a firefight that results in the deaths of large numbers of non-combatants? What will be their chain of command? Who will direct them on where to go and who to fight? If the chain of command is to remain entirely within the Pakistan Army, then how will it be coordinated with the other forces involved in the air campaign?

Simply put, it looks like the Saudis have launched an ill-conceived campaign that has plenty of precedents from the recent past. Air campaigns against militia forces on the ground have not yielded results to brag about. The Americans tried it in Libya and look at what they created. They tried it in Kosovo, but ultimately had to settle for an agreement the terms of which were practically identical to the terms offered by Milosevic before the start of the campaign. The Saudis don’t have the military wherewithal to sustain this type of a campaign for very long, and no clear exit strategy either. It would be folly of tremendous proportions to join in.

Collapsing state power, of which Yemen is only the latest example, is presenting us with unique challenges to which nobody appears to have found any credible solution. Supporting one militia against another risks making one a party to the atavistic hatreds that typically fuel such conflicts. Going in with overwhelming force, and committing to a large state-making function has been tried by the Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan, and hasn’t worked.

Our thirst for reserves has taken us all over the world in search of patrons who will give in exchange for some sort of geopolitical role that we agree to play for them.
It hasn’t worked for a simple reason. Modern states stand on at least two legs: arms and revenues. You can invade and occupy a country. You can instal a ruler of your choice, and even build for that ruler an army with which to protect his realm. You can recruit large numbers of fighters, drill them into fighting units, train an officer corps to command these units, then equip them with high-tech battlefield weaponry and vehicles and other gear and open up a line of supply to keep them provided with ammunition.

But there is one thing you cannot build as an outside force. And that is a revenue machinery to pay for the upkeep of this force, and the army of attendants and administrators that is required to keep it functional. After all, armies don’t run on men and guns alone. It takes money. There are payrolls to run, the families of those killed to look after, the injured to care for, gear and ammunition to purchase. And these costs add up.

That is the principal advantage that militia groups have over modern standing armies. They are small, light, flexible and low cost. By themselves they are no match for any modern force, but their ability to live off the land, to hide on the terrain, to replenish their ranks is very robust to disruption.

Militias can be scattered easily, but they regroup equally easily if states are not quick to take their ground and build on it. The Pakistan Army has discovered that chasing militias off a patch of land is easier than preventing their return. To make that land and its inhabitants durably yours, you’ve got to resurrect livelihoods, recapture hearts and minds. Do the Saudis have a plan for this too? Would the Pakistan Army now be asked to clear, hold and build not only in Swat, Bajaur and Waziristan, but also in Yemen? I should hope not.

At the risk of repeating myself it must be emphasized that we find ourselves in this position mainly because we have failed to build a durable basis to accumulate foreign exchange reserves. That sounds odd to most people’s ears, but not to those who follow our reserves and the actions they spur us to.

Our thirst for reserves has taken us all over the world in search of patrons who will give in exchange for some sort of geopolitical role that we agree to play for them. Conducting such a foreign policy in secret has been even more damaging because it masks from the public the real causes of our weakness. As a result, the public discourse is full of views that we lack ego, spine, self respect, pride.

In reality our weakness has nothing to do with emotional attributes of this sort. It has everything to do with the way we have run our economy.

It was a mistake to take that money from the Saudis last year. It was a mistake to ask them for another oil facility immediately after the swearing in of the Nawaz Sharif government. Watching all this, one wonders if we are repeating this same mistake all over again in our dealings with the Chinese, which are also driven by emotion, by a thirst for a big patron to help us tide over our infrastructure weaknesses, build our foreign exchange buffers. The Saudi bill, when it came due, drained all the colour from Nawaz Sharif’s cheeks. I really wonder what will happen once we see the bill the Chinese serve up, whenever that happens.

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Yemen doesn't have the capabilities to do anything about any intel gathered we do.
First you said that US doesn't want to be bothered by Anyone while "gathering info" regarding AQ .

and now you're saying that Yemen simply doesn't have the capability to interfere in that "intel gathering" (whatever that means) .

and this doesn't make any sense . if they cannot do anything , why bomb them then ?

Why bomb them and kill civilians in the process when they pose no threat to you ?

Thats when you walk on Shia Muslim's nerves . and trust me , US doesn't wanna do that
 
NS committed his masters Saudiz for troops but after strong protest and criticism from all parties and opposition, this delaying tactics actually in favor of Pakistan. Sharif refused to reveal the real deal btw Saudis and him lol.... Pakistan is completely lacking in leadership. In 1970s/80s, Pakistan lead Muslim world after Arab War. Bhutto was the leader who did tremendous job.

His master stroke was when he decided to make Islamic block, call OIC @ Lahore. The reason was he has futuristic approach and quality of leadership, capacity to convenes others. Today our current tola is completely incompetent so leading Muslim ummah is completely a different story.

This time Turkey became global Muslim leader engaging Iran + Saudis at a time. Even having most strongest military leadership in Islamic World, Pakistani government completely failed to take this opportunity.

I dont like Bhutto'z but he has leadership qualities... no doubt he did so many shits but again... the decision of gather Islamic world at a single place was seriously fukedup West especially Ammmreekanz!
 
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Not our fight And we can't get involved in a sectarian conflict.

This is a trap and Pakistan would be wise to steer clear. Why is all the pressure on Pakistan? I haven't seen anyone point fingers to Turkey.

Like I said, this is a trap and our leadership needs to do the right thing for once.
 
Some people in pakistan view Binazir and in general Bhutto family as betrayers .

lol to that

I dont like Bhutto'z but he has leadership qualities... no doubt he did so many shits but again... the decision of gather Islamic world at a single place was seriously fukedup West especially Ammmreekanz!
 
Some people in pakistan view Binazir and in general Bhutto family as betrayers .

lol to that

basically they were, because due to ZA Bhutto East Pakistan become Bangladesh.
 
It's best to leave it to the Yemeni's to sort it out themselves...it's not new phenomena, they have been going at each other for a very long while now.
 
Why is China mentioned here ? First of all unlike what our Iranian friend have been saying here China did not condemn the Saudi intervention it merely said that China is concerned about the situation in Yemen and urges for a peaceful settlement and for all sides to negotiate. Translation we don't give a rats a** what is happening in Yemen. Or what the Saudi's are doing. China only condemns foreign intervention when it is done by the Americans.:enjoy: China didn't condemn the Russian intervention in the Ukraine either.

As for a Pakistani involvement in the conflict I don't think that China would pressure Pakistan to stayout. Why would China do such a thing ? Its Pakistans decision rather or not to go.

The Farsi users here on PDF have an obsession with their military, religious, cultural and linguistic masters the Arabs. That's why they have an 24/7 hour obsession about the 450 million or so Arabs. It does not matter if you are from KSA, Iraq or Libya. It's all the same to them. Especially those in KSA whose ancestors did all that to them and destroyed their little copycat empire that relied almost solely on Semitic knowledge on all fronts.

So they resort to nonsense and lies.

They have no clue that China is the largest trading partner of KSA (GCC as a whole) and that relations are excellent on all fronts.

Don't waste your time. The Farsis here on PDF have to be the dumbest and most deluded bunch that suffer from delusions of grandeur while they live in a third world country that has a lower GDP (nominal) than the likes of Jamaica despite flooding in gas and oil.

List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Regarding this topic then this is not about needing anyone or anything. It's about political signals. Having said that then Pakistan's experience in mountain warfare (most of Yemen is mountainous just like half of KSA is basically) is one of the best in the world. Northern Light Infantry I think it is called.

I am not the biggest fan of this operation (I would have done this slightly differently) but now it's a reality so let us see what is going to happen. The most important thing is that the world stands behind the coalition. What poor pariah states like Iran, North Korea etc. have to say is as important as my morning farts.
 
(specially if Pakistan decides to industrialize and make itself into industrial economy instead of an agricultural economy dependent on foreign aid).

I don't think Pakistan's democracy has been given a chance to develop anything in Pakistan. Even though I hate Nawaz Sharif to guts but I want him to complete his term. People themselves will start realising that with democracy they can chose different parties if one fails them.
 
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