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Why Pakistan is still undecided about sending troops to fight in Yemen

Wrong again, while we are still running like a headless chicken, they have started their strikes. soon the issue will get resolved but we would lose our most reliable most helping friend

Nice talk. However KSA's reasons are kosher, it doesn't deny the fact that they can't move without us.
 
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Wrong again, while we are still running like a headless chicken, they have started their strikes. soon the issue will get resolved but we would lose our most reliable most helping friend

Please go and get yourself killed in Arab vs Persian proxy war, i am not supporting our Army to intervene as this war is not ours nor it offers us any benefits, unless GCC commits to defending Pakistan against India.
 
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We have india, they have Iran, Syria, Yemen

They have money because they are honest and sincere with their countries, Pakistan is not a poor country, our resources are stolen by our beloved leaders. money is no issue here, its the capability.

Legislature, Administration (including LE and Military), and judiciary are three basic components of any gov. when you talk of capability you talk of the whole (system) not one component or the other. Overall their country has much less problems than ours, in simple terms meaning they are more capable than us.

Our problem is that we think we are superior to Arabs and they are camel riding buddos, reality is very different. they are much smarter than us. They have been very good friends of Pakistan, they have been very generous us and have never boasted about that. We on the other hand are very condescending, arrogant and thankless.

The crime rate is low because their judicial system is very effective. Ours on the other hand is a victim to corruption, blackmail, political BS and what not. But having said so the above comparison you made is unjust. You are comparing apples with oranges. Pakistan is surrounded in a hostile environment with India on the eastern front and a war torn country run by factions on the west. They all have consequences on Pakistan.
The Saudis have all the money and the fancy toys money can buy yet they insist on Pakistan sending their troops, that alone makes the above comparison null and void.
 
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@Daneshmand how china deeply concern translates in to CHINA BEING extremely angry with Saudia ? It seem you are impervious to China-Saudi ongoing Ballistic missile dealings and the economic deals they signed last year. So you assumptions are laughable at best that at one hand china selling ballistic missiles to saudia and on other hand becoming angry on silly things. It's time you stop cooking up and spinning narratives as you see fit contrary to facts on the ground.

It's not first time I've observed or caught you doing sublime propaganda by exaggerating/twisting/faking facts

Not to mention China too. As you might be aware, China has officially declared Saudi actions in Yemen as a blatant aggression and has termed it against international law. Pakistan jumping on the same side as the China is officially condemning, will not go well in Beijing.

Provide source for that
 
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Iran, Saudi Arabia in tense buildup opposite Yemen’s Gulf of Aden shore: US air tankers refueling Saudi jets
Saudi-Iranian saber-rattling over Yemen has reached a dangerous peak, Thursday, April 9, the Saudi army spokesman, Brig. Gen. Ahmad Al-Assiri, warned: “Iranian ships have the right to be present in international waters, but won’t be allowed to enter Yemeni territorial waters.”

This was Riyadh’s rapid-fire riposte for the Iranian decision to deploy its navy’s 34th Flotilla, consisting of the Alborz destroyer and the Bushehr helicopter carrier warship, in the Gulf of Aden opposite the Yemeni coast.

The Saudi general noted that Iran had not evacuated any of its citizens from Yemen because, he said, “they are all involved in training and arming the Houthis.”
Soon after launching their air offensive in late March against the Iranian-backed Houthi rebels and forces loyal to ousted president Ali Saleh, the Saudis took control of the country’s airspace to prevent the landing of airlifted Iranian supplies for the Houthis. Russian flights were also barred later from landing in the embattled country.
Gen. Al-Assiri then issued Saudi Arabia's bluntest threat yet: “Those Iranians planning to remain in the country would face the same fate as the Houthis and their supporters,” he said.

Clearly, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards personnel were being trapped in a Saudi vice: Unable to leave Yemen, on the one hand, they were threatened with death if caught, on the other.
Tehran decided to send its most effective naval force to the Gulf of Aden when it realized that Riyadh would not heed its warnings to back off Yemen. Its presence substantiated the threat of direct Iranian intervention in the Yemeni conflict should harm come to the elite IRGC force aiding the rebels.
The Bushehr helicopter carrier made its maiden voyage to Port Sudan at the end of 2012. Shortly after that, on Dec. 8 of that year, DEBKAfile first revealed is features:

The new 13,000-ton vessel carries 12 Iranian strike helicopters, a crew of 200 and has a range of 8,000 nautical miles that reaches the US coast. There are five landing spots on its decks and four parking spots, as well as SM-1 and SAM anti-air missiles and 40-mm Fath-40 AAA anti-air cannon. Tehran invested $800 million in its first helicopter carrier.

If Tehran is not scared off by the Saudi threat and does order the Bushehr to sail into Yemeni territorial waters, its guns and missiles would be in range there to strike targets in neighboring Saudi Arabia to the north. Tehran could justify this attack by Yemeni President Abd Rabbo Mansour Hadi having been granted asylum in the oil kingdom.

However, the Saudi Air Force would also be on hand close by over Yemen to retaliate by bombing the Iranian Bushehr and other warships to chase them away from the Yemeni coast, if not to sink them.

Our sources predict that this naval-air collision would likely be limited in extent. After peaking to a dangerous crisis, the clash would most probably be contained before it escalated into a full-blown war between Saudi Arabia and Iran.
The Obama administration’s backing for the Saudi Arabian intervention in support of the internationally recognized Yemen president Hadi was intended to keep Iran in check.

On Tuesday, April 7, US Deputy Secretary of State Antony Blinken arrived in Riyadh and stated: "Saudi Arabia is sending a strong message to the Houthis and their allies that they cannot overrun Yemen by force. As part of that effort, we have expedited weapons deliveries, we have increased our intelligence sharing, and we have established a joint coordination planning cell in the Saudi operation center."
He was sending a clear message to Tehran backed up by solid US assistance

1. Tehran was being warned not to make the mistake of assuming that its understandings with Washington over Iran's regional promotion included license for aggression against Saudi Arabia.
2. Tehran was notified that the Saudi operational chiefs would henceforth receive ongoing intelligence gathered by a US military satellite over the region through their joint coordination center in Riyadh. This intelligence would also cover the movements of Iranian warships in the Gulf of Aden and the Red Sea.

3. Further details of vital US aid came through Thursday, April 9, from Pentagon spokesman Army Col. Steve Warren. He announced that the US Air Force had begun an aerial refueling mission for “the Saudi Arabian-led mission engaged in air strikes on Shiite Houthi rebels in Yemen.” In its first task Wednesday, a US KC-135 Stratotanker refueled a Saudi Air Force F-15 Eagle and a UAE F-16 Fighting Falcon.

Warren said that the US Central Command aimed to fly one tanker mission a day in support of the Saudi-led alliance, but it would not enter Yemeni airspace to perform it.
Nonetheless, a potential sea-cum-air clash of arms between Saudi Arabia and Iran off the shores of Yemen cannot be ruled out, especially after Riyadh ratcheted up the tension Friday with a ban imposed on Iranian flights carrying pilgrims to Mecca.
It would not be the first firefight to be triggered by the Yemeni conflict. Earlier this week, Egyptian and Iranian warships exchanged fire in the tussle for control over the strategic Bab el-Mandeb Strait. The episode ended with the Iranian ships being ordered directed from Tehran to break off contact and distance themselves from the Egyptian craft. The Iranian Navy commander Rear Adm. Habibollah Sayyari later denied reports appearing in the Gulf media that Egyptian warships had forced Iranian naval vessels to retreat and quit the Gulf of Aden.
The incendiary tension around the Gulf of Aden and rising fear of a Saudi-Iranian military engagement has raised enough alarm for the US, French and British fleets with a naval presence in the Gulf to go on a state of preparedness.
 
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We have india, they have Iran, Syria, Yemen

They have money because they are honest and sincere with their countries, Pakistan is not a poor country, our resources are stolen by our beloved leaders. money is no issue here, its the capability.

Legislature, Administration (including LE and Military), and judiciary are three basic components of any gov. when you talk of capability you talk of the whole (system) not one component or the other. Overall their country has much less problems than ours, in simple terms meaning they are more capable than us.

Our problem is that we think we are superior to Arabs and they are camel riding buddos, reality is very different. they are much smarter than us. They have been very good friends of Pakistan, they have been very generous us and have never boasted about that. We on the other hand are very condescending, arrogant and thankless.

Actually its the other way round. Last i checked they labelled us as Haza Maskeen.

As for the other part yes i agree our resources are stolen by corrupt bunch, something i all ready highlighted in my first reply but having said so this does not change the fact.

Iran and Syria does not even pose a fraction of a threat to Saudi Arabia vis via India to Pakistan. The sheer size of India and its military might with nuclear weapons, i dont think their is a parallel to that when you compare Iran to Saudi Arabia.

I will just add this, Saudi integrity is not under threat, not yet anyway and Pakistan has already stated if and when it does, we will respond. I think this is a mature response from Pakistan to a friendly country. Any more expectations need a reality check. Pakistan is not the same, our society has been ripped apart by terrorism, sectarian clashes and a fragile political system. Pakistan at this moment in time simply cannot afford another adventure specially when we are already in a state of war.

If Saudi's or for that matter anyone cannot understand this, than they are no friend of ours. Make no mistake about it.
 
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What is wrong about that, don't we run to them begging every time we face a financial crises?

Dont you think you are contradicting yourself here? By your logic dont they come here begging every time $hit hits the fan?

Lets not delude ourself. Its a two way street but Saudi's never really appreciated it and thought of us nothing more than a gun for hire, Cannon fodder to be exact.
 
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We have india, they have Iran, Syria, Yemen

They have money because they are honest and sincere with their countries, Pakistan is not a poor country, our resources are stolen by our beloved leaders. money is no issue here, its the capability.

Legislature, Administration (including LE and Military), and judiciary are three basic components of any gov. when you talk of capability you talk of the whole (system) not one component or the other. Overall their country has much less problems than ours, in simple terms meaning they are more capable than us.

Our problem is that we think we are superior to Arabs and they are camel riding buddos, reality is very different. they are much smarter than us. They have been very good friends of Pakistan, they have been very generous us and have never boasted about that. We on the other hand are very condescending, arrogant and thankless.

The fact that you think they give you money out of generosity speaks a lot about mentalities of some members here. The fact that you have forgotten the very same reason that Pakistan is fighting with TTP today (hint: remember the 90s) shows why you are supporting them like this.

You can pay them back by going to Saudi Arabia and fighting for them on the ground, that's what they desperately need.

The big question is: Will Arab countries send their soldiers to die for Pakistan? I say it's impossible, because they are so incompetent that they can't send soldiers to Yemen and are asking foreigners to do it.
 
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The fact that you think they give you money out of generosity speaks a lot about mentalities of some members here. The fact that you have forgotten the very same reason that Pakistan is fighting with TTP today (hint: remember the 90s) shows why you are supporting them like this.

You can pay them back by going to Saudi Arabia and fighting for them on the ground, that's what they desperately need.

The big question is: Will Arab countries send their soldiers to die for Pakistan? I say it's impossible, because they are so incompetent that they can't send soldiers to Yemen and are asking foreigners to do it.


Have'nt you thought about the importance of an open cheque-book?
It can cover up or wipe out many things, including principles.
 
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Apparently no

They are not, otherwise they wouldn't have asked for our troops.

Nice talk. However KSA's reasons are kosher, it doesn't deny the fact that they can't move without us.

Please go and get yourself killed in Arab vs Persian proxy war, i am not supporting our Army to intervene as this war is not ours nor it offers us any benefits, unless GCC commits to defending Pakistan against India.

If you allow me sir, I find the above remarks of yours to be somewhat childish and arrogantly put.

Saudi Arabian people hold the relationship with Pakistan in high regards and value the bond between the two country which is based on brotherhood and mutual interests. Pakistan is an strategic allay of Saudi Arabia so does Saudi Arabia to Pakistan. Both countries have stood against all challenges in past and will continue to side by each other in the present and in the future something no one can denies. Saudi Arabia supported Pakistan politically, financially and militarily starting from the Indo-Pakistan war, to the opposing of the creation of Bangladesh back in 71, stance on Kashmir conflict, funding Pakistan nuclear program and arms deals, provided Pakistan with military bases for a counterblow whenever needed. UAE as well granted Pakistan military bases on its soil and the later has done a lot not only to KSA but also to the ME Arabian countries during the war with Israel. No one can ever denies Pakistan support to KSA. We appreciate the effort and we hope for long lasting relationship that bear fruits for both nations. Saudi Arabia commitment in defending Pakistan in any challenges it might face is something that is not negotiable at all and doesn't have to be publicly announced.


So far Pakistan has not dispatched any troops nor there is a deployment of Pakistan Air force in the country. Nor there is a pending request by Saudi Arabia either.

KSA has more than 300 birds loaded with all you can think of and has the ability to execute the mission it started successfully by itself. Today was the first day of EAF participation in the airstrikes. It took the RSAF 15 minutes to announce Yemen air space as a restricted, imposed total naval blockade. Pakistan stance in the ongoing operation in Yemen is merely symbolic and has more political and strategic dimensions more than anything. Yes we can move without Pakistan unless we look like handicaps to you?
 
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If you allow me sir, I find the above remarks of yours to be somewhat childish and arrogantly put.

Saudi Arabian people hold the relationship with Pakistan in high regards and value the bond between the two country which is based on brotherhood and mutual interests. Pakistan is an strategic allay of Saudi Arabia so does Saudi Arabia to Pakistan. Both countries have stood against all challenges in past and will continue to side by each other in the present and in the future something no one can denies. Saudi Arabia supported Pakistan politically, financially and militarily starting from the Indo-Pakistan war, to the opposing of the creation of Bangladesh back in 71, stance on Kashmir conflict, funding Pakistan nuclear program and arms deals, provided Pakistan with military bases for a counterblow whenever needed. UAE as well granted Pakistan military bases on its soil and the later has done a lot not only to KSA but also to the ME Arabian countries during the war with Israel. No one can ever denies Pakistan support to KSA. We appreciate the effort and we hope for long lasting relationship that bear fruits for both nations. Saudi Arabia commitment in defending Pakistan in any challenges it might face is something that is not negotiable at all and doesn't have to be publicly announced.


So far Pakistan has not dispatched any troops nor there is a deployment of Pakistan Air force in the country. Nor there is a pending request by Saudi Arabia either.

KSA has more than 300 birds loaded with all you can think of and has the ability to execute the mission it started successfully by itself. Today was the first day of EAF participation in the airstrikes. It took the RSAF 15 minutes to announce Yemen air space as a restricted, imposed total naval blockade. Pakistan stance in the ongoing operation in Yemen is merely symbolic and has more political and strategic dimensions more than anything. Yes we can move without Pakistan unless we look like handicaps to you?

* We hold our relations with SA in equal regard.

* There 'is' a request for troops, being debated in the parliament as we speak.

* Reluctance on our behalf has to do with our own war on multiple fronts.

* Pakistan has contributed to SA's security before and should make a contribution, while the Saudi leaership must acknowledge our limitations give the situation at the home front.
 
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I think this is the first time in our history that our foreign policy was discussed openly in the parliament which is a good sign. I am sure that we will send our troops to KSA at some point as This resolution also give mandate to the GOP that Pakistan can send her forces in case of any attack on KSA but we will definitely not be involved in Yemen.
 
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My only problem r Guns and weapons tomorrow another tribe will take up the guns and start capturing cities then what will u say???U people r just guarding ur intrests in yaman.U r not friends of comman Yamini Muslim.This precident of removing the gov with guns will lead Yaman to countinious disaster.

What will you do when another despot kicks out the present one and takes over the Egyptian throne? The answer is nothing, so my answer to your question is exactly the same.
 
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