What's new

Why Israel and Pakistan can never be allies

You only demean yourself.
Obnoxious attitude is the one thing that makes one hated. I have told this to many Israelis I've met, showing attitude to people of other nationalities is not fostering an environment conducive to peace and friendship
 
Exactly, it had been planned long before the Holohoax!


Mind if I link you to a Palestinian who has to undergo separate search because she is one? And how their land is routinely searched for no reason? And how the searches seize anything valuable for no reason? And how they stole their land for no reason?

Well at least they are not fired directly and their children butchered and their women raped like in Syria, at least their city is not demolished to the ground like in Hama, at least no one chop their hand for stealing and women are men's property and are not allowed to drive like in KSA, at least they can demonstrate without the police shooting at them like in Iran and Egypt, at least Israeli Arabs are enjoying living standards that all Muslims in under Muslim sovereignty can only dream of.
 
at least they can demonstrate without the police shooting at them like in Iran and Egypt,
No, she can not, demonstrations are banned.

And also, she can't roam around with her Israeli friends without being questioned by the police.
 
No, she can not, demonstrations are banned.

And also, she can't roam around with her Israeli friends without being questioned by the police.

People are not questioned by the police in Pakistan? Palestinians from the West Bank are restricted to enter Israel in light of the exploitation of their presence in Israel by terror organisations to launch terror attacks on Israeli cities. Before Palestinian terrorism began in the late 1980's there was no such restriction.

And there is a big different between not allowed to enter than to be shot by the police like in some Muslim countries.
 
People are not questioned by the police in Pakistan? Palestinians from the West Bank are restricted to enter Israel in light of the exploitation of their presence in Israel by terror organisations to launch terror attacks on Israeli cities. Before Palestinian terrorism began in the late 1980's there was no such restriction.
Be that as it may, should not common sense apply to some situations? A woman educated in the US and in Israel is hardly going to bomb places
 
Exactly, it had been planned long before the Holohoax!


Mind if I link you to a Palestinian who has to undergo separate search because she is one? And how their land is routinely searched for no reason? And how the searches seize anything valuable for no reason? And how they stole their land for no reason?

Well at least they are not fired directly and their children butchered and their women raped like in Syria, at least their city is not demolished to the ground like in Hama, at least no one chop their hand for stealing and women are men's property and are not allowed to drive like in KSA, at least they can demonstrate without the police shooting at them like in Iran and Egypt, at least Israeli Arabs are enjoying living standards that all Muslims in under Muslim sovereignty can only dream of.
 
@ Aryan

Hitler/Nazi holocaust and massacre of millions of Jews was the worst thing that could have happened because had it not happened, there would be no Palestine issue.....

Agree with you. It was evil immaterial of the effect on Palestine.

However I would say to you that I see no justification in any law for punishing a third party for crimes of Germans and Europeans in this case the Palestinians.



By Sharmine Narwani


The phrase “right to exist” entered my consciousness in the 1990s just as the concept of the two-state solution became part of our collective lexicon. In any debate at university, when a Zionist was out of arguments, those three magic words were invoked to shut down the conversation with an outraged, “are you saying Israel doesn’t have the right to exist??”

Of course you couldn’t challenge Israel’s right to exist – that was like saying you were negating a fundamental Jewish right to have…rights, with all manner of Holocaust guilt thrown in for effect.

Except of course the Holocaust is not my fault – or that of Palestinians. The cold-blooded program of ethnically cleansing Europe of its Jewish population has been so callously and opportunistically utilized to justify the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian Arab nation, that it leaves me utterly unmoved. I have even caught myself – shock - rolling my eyes when I hear Holocaust and Israel in the same sentence.

What moves me instead in this post-two-state era, is the sheer audacity of Israel even existing.

What a fantastical idea, this notion that a bunch of rank outsiders from another continent could appropriate an existing, populated nation for themselves – and convince the “global community” that it was the moral thing to do. I’d laugh at the chutzpah if this wasn’t so serious.

Even more brazen is the mass ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Palestinian population by persecuted Jews, newly arrived from their own experience of being ethnically cleansed.

But what is truly frightening is the psychological manipulation of the masses into believing that Palestinians are somehow dangerous – “terrorists” intent on “driving Jews into the sea.” As someone who makes a living through words, I find the use of language in creating perceptions to be intriguing. This practice – often termed “public diplomacy” has become an essential tool in the world of geopolitics. Words, after all, are the building blocks of our psychology.

Take, for example, the way we have come to view the Palestinian-Israeli “dispute” and any resolution of this enduring conflict. And here I borrow liberally from a previous article of mine…

The United States and Israel have created the global discourse on this issue, setting stringent parameters that grow increasingly narrow regarding the content and direction of this debate. Anything discussed outside the set parameters has, until recently, widely been viewed as unrealistic, unproductive and even subversive.

Participation in the debate is limited only to those who prescribe to its main tenets: the acceptance of Israel, its regional hegemony and its qualitative military edge; acceptance of the shaky logic upon which the Jewish state's claim to Palestine is based; and acceptance of the inclusion and exclusion of certain regional parties, movements and governments in any solution to the conflict.

Words like dove, hawk, militant, extremist, moderates, terrorists, Islamo-fascists, rejectionists, existential threat, holocaust-denier, mad mullah determine the participation of solution partners -- and are capable of instantly excluding others.

Then there is the language that preserves "Israel's Right To Exist" unquestioningly: anything that invokes the Holocaust, anti-Semitism and the myths about historic Jewish rights to the land bequeathed to them by the Almighty – as though God was in the real-estate business. This language seeks not only to ensure that a Jewish connection to Palestine remains unquestioned, but importantly, seeks to punish and marginalize those who tackle the legitimacy of this modern colonial-settler experiment.

But this group-think has led us nowhere. It has obfuscated, distracted, deflected, ducked, and diminished, and we are no closer to a satisfactory conclusion…because the premise is wrong.

There is no fixing this problem. This is the kind of crisis in which you cut your losses, realize the error of your ways and reverse course. Israel is the problem. It is the last modern-day colonial-settler experiment, conducted at a time when these projects were being unraveled globally.

There is no “Palestinian-Israeli conflict” – that suggests some sort of equality in power, suffering, and negotiable tangibles, and there is no symmetry whatsoever in this equation. Israel is the Occupier and Oppressor; Palestinians are the Occupied and Oppressed. What is there to negotiate? Israel holds all the chips. They can give back some land, property, rights, but even that is an absurdity – what about everything else? What about ALL the land, property and rights? Why do they get to keep anything – how is the appropriation of land and property prior to 1948 fundamentally different from the appropriation of land and property on this arbitrary 1967 date?

Why are the colonial-settlers prior to 1948 any different from those who colonized and settled after 1967?

Let me correct myself. Palestinians do hold one chip that Israel salivates over – the one big demand at the negotiating table that seems to hold up everything else. Israel craves recognition of its “right to exist.”

But you do exist - don’t you, Israel?

Israel fears “delegitimization” more than anything else. Behind the velvet curtain lies a state built on myths and narratives, protected only by a military behemoth, billions of dollars in US assistance and a lone UN Security Council veto. Nothing else stands between the state and its dismantlement. Without these three things, Israelis would not live in an entity that has come to be known as the “least safe place for Jews in the world.”

Strip away the spin and the gloss, and you quickly realize that Israel doesn’t even have the basics of a normal state. After 64 years, it doesn’t have borders. After six decades, it has never been more isolated. Over half a century later, and it needs a gargantuan military just to stop Palestinians from walking home.

Israel is a failed experiment. It is on life-support – pull those three plugs and it is a cadaver, living only in the minds of some seriously deluded foreigners who thought they could pull off the heist of the century.

The most important thing we can do as we hover on the horizon of One State is to shed the old language rapidly. None of it was real anyway – it was just the parlance of that particular “game.” Grow a new vocabulary of possibilities – the new state will be the dawn of humanity’s great reconciliation. Muslims, Christians and Jews living together in Palestine as they once did.

Naysayers can take a hike. Our patience is wearing thinner than the walls of the hovels that Palestinian refugees have called “home” for three generations in their purgatory camps.

These universally exploited refugees are entitled to the nice apartments – the ones that have pools downstairs and a grove of palm trees outside the lobby. Because the kind of compensation owed for this failed western experiment will never be enough.

And no, nobody hates Jews. That is the fallback argument screeched in our ears – the one “firewall” remaining to protect this Israeli Frankenstein. I don’t even care enough to insert the caveats that are supposed to prove I don’t hate Jews. It is not a provable point, and frankly, it is a straw man of an argument. If Jews who didn’t live through the Holocaust still feel the pain of it, then take that up with the Germans. Demand a sizeable plot of land in Germany – and good luck to you.

For anti-Semites salivating over an article that slams Israel, ply your trade elsewhere – you are part of the reason this problem exists.

Israelis who don’t want to share Palestine as equal citizens with the indigenous Palestinian population – the ones who don’t want to relinquish that which they demanded Palestinians relinquish 64 years ago - can take their second passports and go back home. Those remaining had better find a positive attitude – Palestinians have shown themselves to be a forgiving lot. The amount of carnage they have experienced at the hands of their oppressors – without proportional response – shows remarkable restraint and faith.

This is less the death of a Jewish state than it is the demise of the last remnants of modern-day colonialism. It is a rite of passage – we will get through it just fine. At this particular precipice in the 21st century, we are all, universally, Palestinian – undoing this wrong is a test of our collective humanity, and nobody has the right to sit this one out.

Israel has no right to exist. Break that mental barrier and just say it: “Israel has no right to exist.” Roll it around your tongue, tweet it, post it as your Facebook status update – do it before you think twice. Delegitimization is here – have no fear. Palestine will be less painful than Israel ever was.


back to topic there is nothing that Pakistan and or Pakistanis can do Zionists will always treat Pakistanis with suspicion. Also Hindutva and Zionism are natural allies
 
Our relations with arabs is not the issue if they do wrong things they will answer to god

We should do our duty as muslims and support all muslim issues

Wether in syria, israel or india
 
Be that as it may, should not common sense apply to some situations? A woman educated in the US and in Israel is hardly going to bomb places

Sorry, there were cases in the past. We take no more chances on the expense of the life of our people.

Your just upset should be turn to the Palestinian society and its terror organisations.
 
Europeans kill millions of jews and the jews persecute muslims

They learnt nothing and they have created si much unnecersary hatred
 
Your just upset should be turn to the Palestinian society and its terror organisations.
That's her view too, she believes Hamas and the other group has harmed Palestinian interests more than any thing else. According to her, a peaceful movement was hijacked by them into a violent one with no justification

Europeans kill millions of jews and the jews persecute muslims

They learnt nothing and they have created si much unnecersary hatred
We're not exactly the best in not persecuting people.
 
Europeans kill millions of jews and the jews persecute muslims

They learnt nothing and they have created si much unnecersary hatred

You call to kill all the Jews in Israel and now you have the bold to cry that the Jews prosecute Muslims?

This is even an higher record of stupidity and anti-Semitism demonstrated in PDF.
 
So what you are actually saying is that Israel should finish the job from 1948 and deport all the Palestinians from its territory, otherwise these population which 1.6 millions of them are Israeli citizens will be used against Israel to destroy it.

Thank you for the advice, I will forward it.

Actually i'm afraid he has a point. Unless something is done now , the Arab population of Israel will exceed the Jewish population by 2040 or around that time. One might argue that 30 years is a lot of time for humans to reach a higher intellectual state , leaving war and hate behind , which are elements of a primitive culture. But personally , i don't think the arabs will ever stop hating Israel and an arab majority will put the existence of Israel at risk
 
Sure it would, the Zionist movement started before the holocaust. You ought to say "If Europe never existed"...

so you admit that the settlers are not indigenous to the lands right
 
Actually i'm afraid he has a point. Unless something is done now , the Arab population of Israel will exceed the Jewish population by 2040 or around that time. One might argue that 30 years is a lot of time for humans to reach a higher intellectual state , leaving war and hate behind , which are elements of a primitive culture. But personally , i don't think the arabs will ever stop hating Israel and an arab majority will put the existence of Israel at risk
That depends on Israel. I believe education can dispel every bit of the hate.
 
Back
Top Bottom