Why Arming the Kurds Is Worth Angering the Turks

[Gothic]

isn't that what your people do all the time , since ever , going around angering people

 

[mike2000 is back]

Its like Turkey arming the IRA

Yes, there are countries who did arm the IRA indeed, at the end we saw that it was better for us in the long term to negotiate and organise a referandum to give them a choice to remain part of Great Britain or be independent. The southern part choosed independence while the north decided to remain part of Britain.
This helped bring peace and solved the problem once and for all,thus bringing about peace and stability and making both sides to focus on their internal growth and freeing military funds that was used by British forces to control Ireland.

Why can't Turkey and other countries in the region follow such a model? Organise an independence referandum and give them a choice to choose their own destiny, just like we did with the Irish, and even Scotland recently (though they was no armed conflict or pressure for our government to do so) . If the majority want to remain part of Turkey (which I believe many turks and others here say is the case) then they will vote to remain. This will help solve this issue once and for all. Military measures haven't achieved much for almost half a century, so why not try this? After all just like Britain, Turkey is also a democracy.

Iraq and Kurds are broken states. They are as apprehensive as the Turks as far as Kurds are concerned. It's just that under the present circumstances it's pointless for them to cry about the Kurds when both of these states are literally divided along the sectarian lines.

But even Iran doesn't react the way Turkey does in regards to any news about Kurdish groups like Turkey does. Same with even Syria. In fact Iran (and even Syria ) have even supported directly or indirectly Kurdish fighters in Iraq and Syria, and they have never been as alarmed as Turkey about U.S,UK, Germany, France support for kurdish fighters against ISIS.
I find it strange, since they ate not ad worried as Turkey.

 

[SubWater]

Why can't Turkey and other countries in the region follow such a model? Organise an independence referandum and give them a choice to choose their own destiny, just like we did with the Irish, and even Scotland recently (though they was no armed conflict or pressure for our government to do so) . If the majority want to remain part of Turkey (which I believe many turks and others here say is the case) then they will vote to remain. This will help solve this issue once and for all. Military measures haven't achieved much for almost half a century, so why not try this? After all just like Britain, Turkey is also a democracy.

Watch turks, This is their final plan for your country.
they don't believe Territorial integrity of turkey at all.

But even Iran doesn't react the way Turkey does in regards to any news about Kurdish groups like Turkey does.

Kurds are Iranian people.
they claimed same root as What other Iranian tribe calmed.
In 1980's when European countries sold chemical weapon to Saddam to gas Iranian people and that was Iran rushed to help them not Arabs or turks.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Watch turks, This is their final plan for your country.
they don't believe Territorial integrity of turkey at all.


Kurds are Iranian people.
they claimed same root as What other Iranian tribe calmed.
In 1980's when European countries sold chemical weapon to Saddam to gas Iranian people and that was Iran rushed to help them not Arabs or turks.

Seems Iran is the only holy and just one in the region as usual.

 

[SubWater]

Seems Iran is the only holy and just one in the region as usual.

Yes, we are.
you were behind gassing people in Iran-Iraq war.

and also it is same US which bombed Syria for Doubtful and uncertain Sarin gas attack.

you would amaze in near future how kurds would kick *** of your kind same as our afghanis and Iraqies brothers did.
kurds in Iran are famous for their bravery.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Yes, we are.
you were behind gassing people in Iran-Iraq war.

you would amaze in near future how kurds would kick *** of your kind same as our afghanis and Iraqies brothers did.
kurds in Iran are famous for their bravery.

LOL OK if you say so genius.
But we did help you and your Shia brother's in Iraq by removing Iran's biggest stumbling bloc in the region I. I.e Sunni dictator Saddam hussein. So you should instead be grateful towards us, without our action you will never be so involved in the middle east furthering your influence and Shia proxies in the region like you do today.
So why the resentment towards Western powers? If anything we have common interests in Iraq today, U. S and Britain are even supporting Shia militia groups (some backed by Iran) in Iraq today against sunni radical groups like ISIS .

 

[SubWater]

LOL OK if you say so genius.
But we did help you and your Shia brother's in Iraq by removing Iran's biggest stumbling bloc in the region I. I.e Sunni dictator Saddam hussein. So you should instead be grateful towards us, without our action you will never be so involved in the middle east furthering your influence and Shia proxies in the region like you do today.
So why the resentment towards Western powers? If anything we have common interests in Iraq today, U. S and Britain are even supporting Shia militia groups (some backed by Iran) in Iraq today against sunni radical groups like ISIS .

actually, you and your American friends can not understand the region and for that you can not take right decision and your plan falls again and again.
you see the region through sectarian and Racial view and that is not correct.

even I believe Kurds vs Turks conflict is imported by European to region and is not domestic conflict.
Ferdowsi in shahnameh around 1000 years ago said all of us are son of Fereydun.

According to Ferdowsi's Shahnameh, Fereydun was the son of Ābtin, one of the descendants of Jamšid. Fereydun, together with Kāve, revolted against the tyrannical king, Zahāk, defeated and arrested him in the Alborz Mountains. Afterwards, Fereydun became the king, married Arnavāz and, according to the myth, ruled the country for about 500 years. At the end of his life, he allocated his kingdom to his three sons Salm, Tur, and Iraj.

Iraj was Fereydun's youngest and favored son, and inherited the best part of the kingdom, namely Iran. Salm inherited Anatolia ("Rûm", more generally meaning the Roman Empire, the Greco-Roman world, or just "the West"), and Tur inherited Central Asia ("Turān", all the lands north and east of the Amu Darya, as far as China), respectively. This aroused Iraj's brothers' envy, and encouraged them to murder him. After the murder of Iraj, Fereydun enthroned Iraj's grandson, Manučehr. Manučehr's attempt to avenge his grandfather's murder initiated the Iranian-Turanian wars.
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and this is part of kurd mythology too.
for your knowledge kurds believe nowroz is day which revolt agains Zahak was succeed by Fereydun.
put out your sectarian glasses.

 

[Solomon2]

Lol, my grandma would even do better after bagging intensive US CAS.

If they had been the most capable fighters in the ME...you would think that they would have been able to establish at least one state at the past millennia.

Not one, but several. Read the Sharafnama for details.

 

[xenon54 out]

I don't understand why Turkey is so much against any news concerning the Kurds(even those outside its border) compared to Iraq, Syria and Iraq who also have their own kurdish issues but they are not as woke up about issues concerning the Kurds like Turkey. Why is that?

Which country is the biggest target of Kurdish separatism? Which country gets attacked from outside its borders?
There you got your answers.

In 1980's when European countries sold chemical weapon to Saddam to gas Iranian people and that was Iran rushed to help them not Arabs or turks.

Turkey has taken Kurdish refugees when saddam gassed them, but in return they joined pkk just like the ones escaping kobane who later attacked security forces at the very same day.

 

[-SINAN-]

Not one, but several. Read the Sharafnama for details.

????

What i'm supposed to look at ?

Just name one state if you can.

 

[SubWater]

Turkey has taken Kurdish refugees when saddam gassed them, but in return they joined pkk just like the ones escaping kobane who later attacked security forces at the very same day.

moderator hold my posts and my respond.

If you thing they are problem for your sovereignty attack them.
In 2013-2014 we attacked popular sunni movement which named later ISIS in Iraq and solved our problem, we didn't nag to anybody.
grow up you are not kids anymore to reach your wishes with crying and nagging.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Its the same script yanks used against Pakistan from Afghanistan. Armed the TTP and then unleash wave of terrorism among Pakistani population.

Turkey needs to be extra vigilant and nip this evil in the bud before it becomes a cancer.

 

[Falcon29]

The Iraqi forces are doing a very good job in their campaign against ISIS, and no one is giving them credit for that, why is that?

 

[gangsta_rap]

This interpretation of Kurds as a homogeneous group (which the media usually portrays as) is very wrong too.
The first casualty of arming Kurds like PKK will be other Kurds who are against them (like the Peshmerga/KDP)

 

[xenon54 out]

moderator hold my posts and my respond.

If you thing they are problem for your sovereignty attack them.
In 2013-2014 we attacked popular sunni movement which named later ISIS in Iraq and solved our problem, we didn't nag to anybody.
grow up you are not kids anymore to reach your wishes with crying and nagging.

Who is crying and nagging?

''You are not kids anymore''