What's new

Why Armenia And Serbia Might Seek Iranian Drones

Muhammed45

ELITE MEMBER
Joined
Oct 2, 2015
Messages
10,321
Reaction score
-18
Country
Iran, Islamic Republic Of
Location
Iran, Islamic Republic Of

Why Armenia And Serbia Might Seek Iranian Drones​

Paul Iddon
Contributor
I write mostly about Middle East affairs, politics and history.
It has been an excellent year for Iranian drone exports. Tehran infamously supplied Russia with hundreds of its Shahed-136 loitering munitions (self-detonating or “suicide” drones) for use in the Ukraine war. It has reportedly reached an agreement with Moscow that allows Russia to manufacture such drones locally — a deal that follows the inauguration in May of a factory in Tajikistan that will locally produce Iran’s older Ababil-2 drones. And, according to Iranian officials, a record number of other countries are eager to get their hands on Tehran’s unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs).


“Today we have reached a point that 22 world countries are demanding to purchase unmanned aircraft from Iran,” claimed Iranian Major General Yahya Rahim Safavi on Oct. 18. Among the countries he mentioned were Serbia and Armenia.
A substantive delivery of Iranian drones to these countries could have significant strategic ramifications for the Balkans and the South Caucasus. For instance, if Serbia purchases Iranian drones, that “could make Belgrade the largest military drone operator in the Balkans,” according to Defense News.
However, there is heavy skepticism among analysts that Belgrade is interested in Iranian drones, with one Serbian aviation writer noting that Serbia already possesses significant capabilities “to cater to its own needs” and “that there is really little Iran could possibly provide it with in terms of either finished UAV products or in know-how.”
Nevertheless, the low price of some Iranian drones – $20,000 is the figure often cited for each unit of the single-use Shahed-136 – could tempt Belgrade to diversify and strengthen its arsenal by buying a number of these drones. Or, Iran might offer Serbia a deal for local production that could help expand Belgrade’s existing drone program relatively cheaply.
960x0.jpg

TOPSHOT - A drone flies over Kyiv during an attack[+]AFP VIA GETTY IMAGES

“Iran is building a strong market for its loitering munition drone types,” Nicholas Heras, director of strategy and innovation at the New Lines Institute, told me. “The growth in global interest in the Iranian drones is a type of echo of how Turkey developed the international market for its military drone types.”


“The Turks focused on a ‘middle class’ drone type that is intended to be reused, is rugged, and can operate effectively against both state and non-state actors,” he said. “For all intents and purposes, Turkey decided that it would deliver an ‘air force on the cheap’ for state actors looking to skip out on expensive aircraft and the maintenance requirements that come with them.”

“Iran has decided that it wants to corner the market on what are essentially flying, more accurate, further ranged, artillery rounds that can deliver devastating effects on the battlefield, especially against ground forces.”

Such loitering munitions could enable smaller states to pose a crude deterrent to their larger rivals.

“Both the Armenians and the Serbians are in need of the ability to quickly create significant losses to stronger opponents – NATO for Serbia, Azerbaijan for Armenia – and the Iranian loitering munition-type drones could provide that capability,” Heras said.
Iran has a number of these drone types that may interest Belgrade and Yerevan.

“As far as what kind of drones Iran can sell to both Armenia and Serbia - there are a number of options that include both the Shahed and Ababil models since both were used by Iranian proxies in the Middle East, and now Shahed has demonstrated its limited, but key, capacity in Ukraine,” Samuel Bendett, a research analyst with the Center for Naval Analyses, told me. “Other drones like Mohajer are probably not off the table either.”

Then there is the broader political and strategic context behind a potential Armenian procurement.

“Armenia is looking to offset the strengthening Turkish-Azerbaijani military alliance and the perception that Russia may not be as committed to Armenian defense as previously thought,” Bendett said.

“As Turkish and Israeli drone technology contributed to Azerbaijani victory in 2020, Armenia was caught flat-footed even though it actually has its own drone industry that was underinvested in comparison,” he added. “So Armenia is looking to avoid this mistake by investing in UAV capabilities.”

Tehran also has its own interests in helping strengthen Yerevan militarily.

“Iran is also concerned about the Turkish-Azeri alliance and the Israeli angle in this alliance and has claimed before it could throw its weight behind Armenia in the next conflict,” Bendett said. “Iran held military exercises closer to the Nagorno-Karabakh region, indicated that it could use military strength if the Zangezur corridor cuts off its access to Armenia proper, and is looking for its own way to offset the Istanbul-Baku-Tel Aviv relationship.”
Therefore, Armenia becoming a customer of Iranian drones makes a lot of sense from that geostrategic standpoint.

Yerevan also wants drone technology that has proven itself in combat, which could further its interest in Tehran’s UAVs.

“Iranian loitering drones like Shahed-136/1 are a relatively low-cost/high-impact investment in capacity that can potentially pose a challenge to Azerbaijan and maybe even Turkey itself,” Bendett said. “In selling its drones to Armenia, Iran can put both Istanbul and Baku on notice via this proxy sale to Yerevan.”

Any significant supply of Iranian drones to Armenia, or the establishment of a drone factory on Armenian soil like the one in Tajikistan, could further fuel the arms race in the increasingly volatile South Caucasus region.

“As far as the overall impact of such sales on the regional dynamics - in the Caucasus, all countries are already arming themselves with drone technology, either imported or indigenous,” Bendett said. “Armenia’s acquisition of Iranian drones could bolster its defenses and may act as a potential deterrent given that Shahed drones can strike targets many hundreds of kilometers away.”
The regional drone race is well underway and is not expected to slow down any time soon.”


Get the best of Forbes to your inbox with the latest insights from experts across the globe.
Follow me on Twitter.


Paul Iddon
I am a journalist/columnist who writes about Middle East military and political affairs.
 
. .
Drone wars are quickly becoming a reality. The Azerbaijan-Armenia war, and the Ukrainian-Russia war are just the terrifying beginning.

Imagine soldiers that don't feel fear, and are significantly harder to destroy than current infantry, rushing head first into enemy fire. We're getting that with UGVs.

How about a group of Saboteurs that can swim, are small and stealthy enough to avoid enemy radar rushing towards an enemy carrier fleet and picking off ships one at a time. We're getting that with USVs.

And you all already know about UAVs.

On top of that, swarm drones. Thousands of tiny drones that are hard to detect and destroy. Spreading out into multiple directions to increase the chances of reaching their target, and coming together when the need arises to destroy said target.

The future of drone warfare is dark and terrifying.
 
.
"Iran doesn't support Armenia against Azerbaijan it's just zionist propaganda" said some people :lol:

With or without Iranian drones, Azerbaijan will make short work of Armenia. In just 40 days Armenia's pathetic excuse of a military crumbled.
 
Last edited:
.
"Iran doesn't support Armenia against Azerbaijan it's just zionist propaganda" said some people

Where does the article state Iran has effectively supplied weapons to Armenia? It's nothing but a western journalist conducting his own personal speculation about hypothetical future sales. With no official statement nor anything else to support the hypothesis.

By the way the article's over five months old, and still no Iranian UAV supplies to Armenia have been documented.

Please come back when something actually happens. Until then every claim about Iran having sent this or that to Armenia represents nothing more than disinformation you can safely ignore.

With or without Iranian drones, Azerbaijan will make short work of Armenia. In just 40 days Armenia's pathetic excuse of a military crumbled.

If any party attempts to impose changes to internationally recognized borders between Iran and a neighbor, Iran will intervene militarily.
 
Last edited:
.
If any party attempts to impose changes to internationally recognized borders between Iran and a neighbor, Iran will intervene militarily.
2020 Karabakh war showed that Azerbaijani military is no joke and as you know Turkey is militarily allied with Azerbaijan and any attack on Azerbaijan will get Turkey involved.

And as everybody knows, Iranian military is very defense oriented.

You can rest assured that Iran won't do anything more than saying some harsh words.
 
.
and as you know Turkey is militarily allied with Azerbaijan and any attack on Azerbaijan will get Turkey involved.

There won't necessarily be an attack on them. In case of a declaration of war against Armenia, Iranian troops could simply move in en masse for example, and secure the border area on the Armenian side to uphold international law. If the Baku republic's forces fire at the Iranian army, they will have initiated hostilities.

Also you surely realize it's illegal aggression and trespassing onto sovereign Armenian land I'm referring to. This is different from Karabakh, which indeed belongs to Azarbaijan. Turkey may not rush to be complicit in a war of aggression.

If they do however, the Turks will find it complicated to reach the front via the 9 kilometer wide mountain zone which serves as their border to Nakhjavan, and the sole isolated road leading through it. Iranian territory is stretching all along this border strip at a distance of less than 4 kilometers. Actually the road at one point is running merely dozens of meters from Iran, while the border crossing is at less than one kilometer.

iat.jpg


Which means Iran could subject this place to sustained strikes including with mere artillery, ATGM's etc. The bridge will be gone in no time. Same goes for the road through Nakhjavan itself.

The other option for Turkey would be to dare try and invade Iran's entire northwest. Well, good luck with that. They'd need to mobilize hundreds of thousands of troops. And to stomach the consequences in terms of ballistic and cruise missiles raining down in the thousands upon vital targets across Anatolia, not to mention the massive number of casualties they'll incur on Iranian soil. Won't be anything like confronting PKK guerillas in Iraq or Syria. They'll be met by up to a million Basijis, on top of the regular Army and IRGC.

And as everybody knows, Iranian military is very defense oriented.

Good at defending the nation's borders.

You can rest assured that Iran won't do anything more than saying some harsh words.

Iran would intervene one way or another because forceful modification of borders was defined as a red line by the Supreme Leader. Which is why Aliev, no matter how high on Isra"el"i-sponsored delusions right now, is unlikely to go ahead with plans to illegally annex Zangezur. Better for all parties involved, except for the zionists who want this to degenerate.

I'd say this would be about as vital to Iran as Syria was. Syria showed the degree to which Iran is ready and willing to involve herself militarily, if no other options are left, in order to prevent major detrimental disruption of the status quo.
 
Last edited:
.
"Iran doesn't support Armenia against Azerbaijan it's just zionist propaganda" said some people :lol:

With or without Iranian drones, Azerbaijan will make short work of Armenia. In just 40 days Armenia's pathetic excuse of a military crumbled.
In the first war Iran supported Azeri army, Iranian martyrs are buried in Azerbaijani soil. Like Bosnia like Azerbaijan.

In the second war, Zionists are active on Azeri side, hence Iran stands neutral. The gambler dishonest Ilham alienated Iran successfuly. I don't expect more from someone who loses his wife/daughters in gambling.

In fact, Iran wants to stay out of it but it is Israel that wants us to set fire on Azerbaijan. Iranian nuclear scientists were martyed by agents who crossed into our lands from Azeri borders. Israel wants a hot war in that region to distract Iranian attention/focus from Mediterranean. The Zangerzur is also an Israeli plot to spread war into the region.

Turkey has huge influence in Azerbaijan, i am afraid, it could cause a major catastrophy in Caucasus. One thing for sure, Iran wants to stay out of it and anyone trying to drag us into that conflict will be severely punished at the right moment. For now, Iran is busy on the borders of Israel but it won't be forever.
 
.
There won't necessarily be an attack on them. In case of a declaration of war against Armenia, Iranian troops could simply move in en masse for example, and secure the border area on the Armenian side to uphold international law. If the Baku republic's forces fire at the Iranian army, they will have initiated hostilities.

Also you surely realize it's illegal aggression and trespassing onto sovereign Armenian land I'm referring to. This is different from Karabakh, which indeed belongs to Azarbaijan. Turkey may not rush to be complicit in a war of aggression.

If they do however, the Turks will find it complicated to reach the front via the 9 kilometer wide mountain zone which serves as their border to Nakhjavan, and the sole isolated road leading through it. Iranian territory is stretching all along this border strip at a distance of less than 4 kilometers. Actually the road at one point is running merely dozens of meters from Iran, while the border crossing is at less than one kilometer.

View attachment 924002

Which means Iran could subject this place to sustained strikes including with mere artillery, ATGM's etc. The bridge will be gone in no time. Same goes for the road through Nakhjavan itself.

The other option for Turkey would be to dare try and invade Iran's entire northwest. Well, good luck with that. They'd need to mobilize hundreds of thousands of troops. And to stomach the consequences in terms of ballistic and cruise missiles raining down in the thousands upon vital targets across Anatolia, not to mention the massive number of casualties they'll incur on Iranian soil. Won't be anything like confronting PKK guerillas in Iraq or Syria. They'll be met by up to a million Basijis, on top of the regular Army and IRGC.



Good at defending the nation's borders.



Iran would intervene one way or another because forceful modification of borders was defined as a red line by the Supreme Leader. Which is why Aliev, no matter how high on Isra"el"i-sponsored delusions right now, is unlikely to go ahead with plans to illegally annex Zangezur. Better for all parties involved, except for the zionists who want this to degenerate.

I'd say this would be about as vital to Iran as Syria was. Syria showed the degree to which Iran is ready and willing to involve herself militarily, if no other options are left, in order to prevent major detrimental disruption of the status quo.

It doesn't matter how, Iran entering the war on the side of Armenia would result in Turkey's direct involvement. There's no way Iranian leaders will risk such a confrontation while Iran has so many things on its plate.
 
.
It doesn't matter how, Iran entering the war on the side of Armenia would result in Turkey's direct involvement. There's no way Iranian leaders will risk such a confrontation while Iran has so many things on its plate.

Turkey lacks the kind of military options that would make such an operation viable and cost-effective. Especially in the present scenario with its geographic intricacies as explained above. Moreover Turkey is facing vulnerabilities of its own, ongoing economic challenges, limitations to its strategic depth, military engagement in multiple other arenas abroad. It would stand to lose more than Iran. Which is why Baku is highly unlikely to initiate this cycle of events i.e. it is unlikely to launch aggression against Armenia proper in hopes of performing some illegal land grab at Iran's doorstep.

If it does then Iran will not remain passive, rest assured. Much like in Syria, hundreds of kilometers away, usual heavy challenges in other matters notwithstanding. Unlike Syria, here the flashpoint is located on Iran's very boundary which makes the potential security threat particularly pressing. Meaning Iran will have more reason to intervene. It also means logistics will be facilitated manifold compared to the Syrian theater. What's more, given the threat against Iran's immediate borders not to mention territorial integrity, any reaction will be seen as particularly legitimate by the Iranian public, more so than the intervention in Syria. Not just that, but it will give a strong boost to national unity, which will actually come in handy to neutralize certain domestic issues.

As user Muhammed45 stressed, the threat to Iran stems from zionist interference. If Baku came to step into the trap set by the zionists, the Islamic Republic's response will either involve the Iranian military per se, allied forces, massive support for Armenia or any combination of the latter. So the best outcome for all parties involved would consist in the Republic of Azarbaijan refraining from illegal military adventures beyond its recognized territorial limits.
 
Last edited:
.
Turkey has no credible military options against Iran in this scenario,
Even you don't believe this.

Let's just say that Turkish army can't just march into Iran, such a reality doesn't exist. In fact let's suppose that Turkey has no military at all. Because I don't want to turn this into a Turkey vs Iran dick measuring contest.

The fact that Iran heavily relies on ballistic missiles to deter their enemies should make you think a little. It took decades to build Iran's ballistic missile arsenal. Have you any idea how defenseless Iran will be after they spend all those missiles on Turkey?

Even the risk of a military confrontation with Turkey makes any military operation in the caucasus untenable. Iran is in no shape for such military adventurism, vultures are awaiting to pick on your carcass.
 
.
The fact that Iran heavily relies on ballistic missiles to deter their enemies should make you think a little. It took decades to build Iran's ballistic missile arsenal. Have you any idea how defenseless Iran will be after they spend all those missiles on Turkey?

By the time Iran spent as little as 20% of her BM arsenal (which numbers in the tens of thousands) on key infrastructures in Turkey, the latter's war fighting capability against Iran will be hampered noticeably.

Even the risk of a military confrontation with Turkey makes any military operation in the caucasus untenable. Iran is in no shape for such military adventurism, vultures are awaiting to pick on your carcass.

Baku would be the one engaging in adventurism and illegal aggression, whilst Iran would be acting in conformity with international law. Iran along with Russia came out on top in the Levant, facing not only Turkey but NATO as a whole as well as their PGCC clients, Jordan and the takfiri international. Neutralizing threats in her immediate vicinity will not burden Iran this much more, and will lead to massive popular mobilization in defence of the motherland.
 
.
By the time Iran spent as little as 20% of her BM arsenal (which numbers in the tens of thousands) on key infrastructures in Turkey, the latter's war fighting capability against Iran will be hampered noticeably.
Russia thought the same in Ukraine, and they've run out of missiles lol.

As the saying goes, fire without maneuver is a waste of resources.

Baku would be the one engaging in adventurism and illegal aggression, whilst Iran would be acting in conformity with international law. Iran along with Russia came out on top in the Levant, facing not only Turkey but NATO as a whole as well as their PGCC clients, Jordan and the takfiri international. Neutralizing threats in her immediate vicinity will not burden Iran this much more, and will lead to massive popular mobilization in defence of the motherland.
You're living in a dream world.

Armenia agreed to territorial concessions in Zangezur corridor in 2020 ceasefire treaty. Azerbaijan will take what's rightfully theirs.

Iran won't risk everyhing for no gain. Armenia is an even more backwards country with an insignificant economy. Their trade with Iran is likewise insignificant for Iran.


Let military confrontation aside losing Turkish and Azerbaijani trade would be bad enough. Military confrontation with Azerbaijan and Turkey would be a nightmare scenario. You're painting a rosy picture lol.
 
.
Russia thought the same in Ukraine, and they've run out of missiles lol.

As the saying goes, fire without maneuver is a waste of resources.


You're living in a dream world.

Armenia agreed to territorial concessions in Zangezur corridor in 2020 ceasefire treaty. Azerbaijan will take what's rightfully theirs.

Iran won't risk everyhing for no gain. Armenia is an even more backwards country with an insignificant economy. Their trade with Iran is likewise insignificant for Iran.


Let military confrontation aside losing Turkish and Azerbaijani trade would be bad enough. Military confrontation with Azerbaijan and Turkey would be a nightmare scenario. You're painting a rosy picture lol.
I don’t know if Russia has run out of missiles but it definitely feels like a stalemate, no one is moving forward really. If it’s proven Azeris are hosting Israelis to commit acts of sabotage and Iran puts it up to the UN with evidence and the UN doesn’t do anything to rectify it I think the Iranians should be allowed to attack proven targets, regarding Armenia and Azerbaijan conflict that’s their for themselves to solve, but tbh I’m a supporter of Armenia because honestly the Azerbaijan leader is a nut job and the whole family is corrupt. Only reason turkey supprts Azerbaijan is about a genocide that occurred 100 years ago, everyone knows it happened nod your head and get passed it.
 
. .
Back
Top Bottom