Who is an Islamophobe ?

[RazPaK]

17 pages of this thread and countless pages of numerous other threads,after watching hundreds of TV debates and reading I dont know how many newspaper articles.Conclusion-No one (Muslims,Non mulims,Muftis,Mullahs,terrorists,muslim world leaders,Muslim Scholars) seems to have the RIGHT interpretation of Islam .

Why Islam has to be so complex ?

Is the number 1.6 billion muslims really a measure of Success for Islam ?

Why rely on others when you have the proofs in front of you?

Read the Quaran, and then formulate a decision.

 

[KS]

Why rely on others when you have the proofs in front of you?

Read the Quaran, and then formulate a decision.

If you guys can follow the Quran then that would make it all the more easy for us.

See not all of us have the time nor interest to learn arabic to read a book to understand you guys to treat you all well.

 

[RazPaK]

Explain to me where dumb-***** like Jaunty and Splurgesonhishand have read that we as Muslims are commanded to kill non-muslims on absolute terms.

 

[KS]

Explain to me where dumb-***** like Jaunty and Splurgesonhishand have read that we as Muslims are commanded to kill non-muslims on absolute terms.

Quran does say Muslims must not rest until the whole of world is made Dar Al Islam and then there is the 1400 year empirical evidence in front of us. 2+2 = 4. Maybe they are exaggerating. But history does not lie, does it ?

Im pretty sure no religion tells to kill innocents

The definition of 'innocents' varies from religion to religion.

 

[Splurgenxs]

Im pretty sure no religion tells to kill innocents

pretty easliy available material. i didn't even bother reading but ur welcome to. Were pretty much all kafirs.
Dont go by NApakRAZs self deluded deflections. Islam is pretty straightforward in its convictions

KAFIR
The language of Islam is dualistic. As an example, there is never any reference to humanity as a unified whole. Instead there is a division into believer and kafir (unbeliever). Humanity is not seen as one body, but is divided into whether the person believes Mohammed is the prophet of Allah or not.

Kafir is what the Koran and Islam call the unbelievers. Kafir is the worst word in the human language.

The Koran defines the kafir and says that the kafir is:

Hated- 40:35 They who dispute the signs of Allah [kafirs] without authority having reached them are greatly hated by Allah and the believers. So Allah seals up every arrogant, disdainful heart. and despised by Allah.

Mocked- 83:34 On that day the faithful will mock the kafirs, while they sit on bridal couches and watch them. Should not the kafirs be paid back for what they did?

Punished- 25:77 Say to the kafirs: My Lord does not care for you or your prayers. You have rejected the truth, so sooner or later, a punishment will come.

Beheaded- 47:4 When you encounter the kafirs on the battlefield, cut off their heads until you have thor-oughly defeated them and then take the prisoners and tie them up firmly.

Confused- 6:25 Some among them listen to you [Mohammed], but We have cast veils over their [kafirs] hearts and a heaviness to their ears so that they cannot understand our signs [the Koran].

Plotted against- 86:15 They plot and scheme against you [Mohammed], and I plot and scheme against them. Therefore, deal calmly with the kafirs and leave them alone for a while.

Terrorized- 8:12 Then your Lord spoke to His angels and said, "I will be with you. Give strength to the believers. I will send terror into the kafirs' hearts, cut off their heads and even the tips of their fin-gers!"

Annihilated- 6:45 So the kafirs were annihilated. All praise be to Allah, the Lord of the worlds.

Killed- 4:91 If they do not keep away from you or offer you peace or withdraw their hostilities, then seize them and kill them wherever they are. We give you complete authority over them.

Crucified- 5:33 The only reward for those who war against Allah and His messengers and strive to com-mit mischief on the earth is that they will be slain or crucified, have their alternate hands and feet cut off, or be banished from the land. This will be their disgrace in this world, and a great torment shall be theirs in the next except those who repent before you overpower them. Know that Allah is forgiving and merciful.

Made war on- 9:29 Make war on those who have received the Scriptures [Jews and Christians] but do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day. They do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden. The Christians and Jews do not follow the religion of truth until they submit and pay the poll tax [jizya], and they are humiliated.

A Muslim is not the friend of a kafir- 3:28 Believers should not take kafirs as friends in preference to other believers. Those who do this will have none of Allah's protection and will only have themselves as guards. Allah warns you to fear Him for all will return to Him.

A kafir is ignorant- 6:111 Even if We had sent down the angels to them [kafirs], the dead had spoken to them, and We had gathered all things before their eyes, they would not believe unless Allah had willed it, but most of them are ignorant.

Evil- 23:97 And say: Oh my Lord! I seek refuge with You from the suggestions of the evil ones [kafirs]. And I seek refuge with you, my Lord, from their presence.

Disgraced- 37:18 Tell them, "Yes! And you [kafirs] will be disgraced." a partner of Satan 25:55 And still they worship others besides Allah who can neither help nor hurt them. The kafir is Satan's ally against Allah. Unclean- 9:28 Oh, believers, only the kafirs are unclean.

Cursed- 33:60 They [kafirs] will be cursed, and wherever they are found, they will be seized and mur-dered. It was Allah's same practice with those who came before them, and you will find no change in Allah's ways.

Stolen from- Bukhari 5,59,537 On the day of Khaybar, Allah's Apostle divided the spoils of war of Khaybar with the ratio of two shares for the horse and one share for the foot soldier.

Raped- Ishaq 759 [Mohammed's official biography] On the occasion of Khaybar, Mohammed put forth new orders about forcing sex with captive women. If the woman was pregnant she was not to be used for sex until after the birth of the child. Nor were any women to be used for sex who were unclean with regard to Muslim laws about menstruation.

Christians and Jews are infidels, but infidels are kafirs, too. Polytheists are Hindus, but they are also kafirs. The terms infidel and polytheist are religious words. Only the word "kafir" shows the common political treatment of Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, animist, atheist and humanist.

The word kafir should be used instead of "unbeliever", the standard word. Unbeliever is a neutral term. The Koran defines the kafir and kafir is not a neutral word. A kafir is not merely someone who does not agree with Islam, but a kafir is evil, disgusting, the lowest form of life. Kafirs can be tortured, killed, lied to and cheated. So the usual word "unbeliever" does not reflect the political reality of Islam.

 

[jaunty]

Explain to me where dumb-***** like Jaunty and Splurgesonhishand have read that we as Muslims are commanded to kill non-muslims on absolute terms.

Sonny boy go back and read my posts again, don't put words in my mouth.

 

[RazPaK]

pretty easliy available material. i didn't even bother reading but ur welcome to.

KAFIR
The language of Islam is dualistic. As an example, there is never any reference to humanity as a unified whole. Instead there is a division into believer and kafir (unbeliever). Humanity is not seen as one body, but is divided into whether the person believes Mohammed is the prophet of Allah or not.

Kafir is what the Koran and Islam call the unbelievers. Kafir is the worst word in the human language.

The Koran defines the kafir and says that the kafir is:

Hated- 40:35 They who dispute the signs of Allah [kafirs] without authority having reached them are greatly hated by Allah and the believers. So Allah seals up every arrogant, disdainful heart. and despised by Allah.

Mocked- 83:34 On that day the faithful will mock the kafirs, while they sit on bridal couches and watch them. Should not the kafirs be paid back for what they did?

Punished- 25:77 Say to the kafirs: My Lord does not care for you or your prayers. You have rejected the truth, so sooner or later, a punishment will come.

Beheaded- 47:4 When you encounter the kafirs on the battlefield, cut off their heads until you have thor-oughly defeated them and then take the prisoners and tie them up firmly.

Confused- 6:25 Some among them listen to you [Mohammed], but We have cast veils over their [kafirs] hearts and a heaviness to their ears so that they cannot understand our signs [the Koran].

Plotted against- 86:15 They plot and scheme against you [Mohammed], and I plot and scheme against them. Therefore, deal calmly with the kafirs and leave them alone for a while.

Terrorized- 8:12 Then your Lord spoke to His angels and said, "I will be with you. Give strength to the believers. I will send terror into the kafirs' hearts, cut off their heads and even the tips of their fin-gers!"

Annihilated- 6:45 So the kafirs were annihilated. All praise be to Allah, the Lord of the worlds.

Killed- 4:91 If they do not keep away from you or offer you peace or withdraw their hostilities, then seize them and kill them wherever they are. We give you complete authority over them.

Crucified- 5:33 The only reward for those who war against Allah and His messengers and strive to com-mit mischief on the earth is that they will be slain or crucified, have their alternate hands and feet cut off, or be banished from the land. This will be their disgrace in this world, and a great torment shall be theirs in the next except those who repent before you overpower them. Know that Allah is forgiving and merciful.

Made war on- 9:29 Make war on those who have received the Scriptures [Jews and Christians] but do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day. They do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden. The Christians and Jews do not follow the religion of truth until they submit and pay the poll tax [jizya], and they are humiliated.

A Muslim is not the friend of a kafir- 3:28 Believers should not take kafirs as friends in preference to other believers. Those who do this will have none of Allah's protection and will only have themselves as guards. Allah warns you to fear Him for all will return to Him.

A kafir is ignorant- 6:111 Even if We had sent down the angels to them [kafirs], the dead had spoken to them, and We had gathered all things before their eyes, they would not believe unless Allah had willed it, but most of them are ignorant.

Evil- 23:97 And say: Oh my Lord! I seek refuge with You from the suggestions of the evil ones [kafirs]. And I seek refuge with you, my Lord, from their presence.

Disgraced- 37:18 Tell them, "Yes! And you [kafirs] will be disgraced." a partner of Satan 25:55 And still they worship others besides Allah who can neither help nor hurt them. The kafir is Satan's ally against Allah. Unclean- 9:28 Oh, believers, only the kafirs are unclean.

Cursed- 33:60 They [kafirs] will be cursed, and wherever they are found, they will be seized and mur-dered. It was Allah's same practice with those who came before them, and you will find no change in Allah's ways.

Stolen from- Bukhari 5,59,537 On the day of Khaybar, Allah's Apostle divided the spoils of war of Khaybar with the ratio of two shares for the horse and one share for the foot soldier.

Raped- Ishaq 759 [Mohammed's official biography] On the occasion of Khaybar, Mohammed put forth new orders about forcing sex with captive women. If the woman was pregnant she was not to be used for sex until after the birth of the child. Nor were any women to be used for sex who were unclean with regard to Muslim laws about menstruation.

Christians and Jews are infidels, but infidels are kafirs, too. Polytheists are Hindus, but they are also kafirs. The terms infidel and polytheist are religious words. Only the word "kafir" shows the common political treatment of Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, animist, atheist and humanist.

The word kafir should be used instead of "unbeliever", the standard word. Unbeliever is a neutral term. The Koran defines the kafir and kafir is not a neutral word. A kafir is not merely someone who does not agree with Islam, but a kafir is evil, disgusting, the lowest form of life. Kafirs can be tortured, killed, lied to and cheated. So the usual word "unbeliever" does not reflect the political reality of Islam.

Lolz. My intuition was correct. You are indeed a dumb *** for posting a biased and fully propagated article on the verses.

Try again.

I'm sorry for the quality of your education that your country gave you.


Fight on brave Internet Hindu.

 

[KS]

Splurgenx arent you a Pandit ?

 

[RazPaK]

Splurgenx arent you a Pandit ?

No, he is a dumb ***.

 

[AUz]

Go read your post again.In all countries where Muslims and non-Muslims reside in significant numbers Muslims are behind the others. Thats a fact.

WTF? I said in all "regions" not country. What do you account as "significant" number? We , here , are talking about hundred of millions ..... Not some 2 million vs 3 million stuff LAWL!

No lets get there. Indians loose their cultures pretty fast.. LOL that is some slick **** that you are peddling here. We are attracting the local people to our culture mongoose. And american Indians are getting prolly more conservative than those folks back home. Even in India i've never seen so many kids flocking to attend Gita sessions, learn folk dances or observe vrat as I see here. The future is bright for us. Oh and yeah, coming to Pakistanis with their baggy pants and wannabe gangsta ssuup nigga talk, let's not get there.

You probably live in some other America....

Nigga taulk by Pakistanis? LAWL!!!! Its actually the opposite way...my Indian friends actually praise Pakistanis...specially the girls...they don't become ****** like indian girls (mostly don't)....but whatever...we all know the reality..even if you don't wanna admit it.....

Yeah prolly you guys come on political asylum. Who knows ?

Actually yes. Many Afghans and other people actually did come on political asylum. This only reinstates my point that indians earn more because they mostly come on WORK visas...unlike Muslims....but again..whatever..

Ofcourse it is significant dummy. It is by PEW one of the most reputed survey firm. Muslims are one of the least educated and poorest groups in US.Prove that pic wrong or suck it up.

Dumbo , I never questioned PEW's autherity.... least educated and poorest? Poop head what are you one? Desi indian drugs or some ****....

Well here you go :

YOUR OWN SOURCE : Pew Forum: Muslim Americans: Middle Class and Mostly Mainstream

And even more authentic : The Economist

But a new study points out that the 6 million or so Muslims in America are, on average, richer and better educated than the general population. Two-thirds of Muslim households make more than $50,000 a year and a quarter earn over $100,000; the national average is $42,000. Two-thirds of American Muslims have a college degree, compared with less than half of the general population. Muslim families also tend to have more children. So the perception that marketing specifically to Muslims is not worthwhile would appear to be wrong.

Marketing to Muslims: Food, fashion and faith | The Economist

And these reports were from few years back. Situation has only improved for American-Muslims since then.....

Now please go clear the poor in your head

OIC....thats about right. An EU national can move from one member state to another without a visa. Lets try that in the Islamic neighborhood. How about you wave your imaginary OIC card and try move from Pakistan to Iran without a visa. Lets see how the Islamic brothers in Iran welcome you.

WTF? LOL! I never claimed the OIC is as effective as EU...but it is here... The point is this : OIC dwarfs insignificant india is EVERY SINGLE parameter.....yet indians were calling 'Muslims' as backward... ... Is OIC as effective as EU? Thats not even the point... Muslims are wayyyy ahead than sh!thole india in every aspect. Average global Muslim lives a way better life than god forsaken average indian....

 

[Splurgenxs]

Splurgenx arent you a Pandit ?

Im a Pandit by heritage ,an Atheist by conviction

 

[RazPaK]

Sonny boy go back and read my posts again, don't put words in my mouth.

My point exactly, the root cause is that you are taught to disrespect other religions; deep hatred and condescension towards nonbelievers. Don't expect a smile in return from every nonbeliever. Probably you need an introspection and update on outdated concepts.

The hate and ignorance seems to come out of your pores.

 

[KS]

WTF? I said in all "regions" not country. What do you account as "significant" number? We , here , are talking about hundred of millions ..... Not some 2 million vs 3 million stuff LAWL!

Then the only region that satisfied that criteria is Indian subcontinent. And obviously non-Muslims are better than Muslims.

You probably live in some other America....

Nigga taulk by Pakistanis? LAWL!!!! Its actually the opposite way...my Indian friends actually praise Pakistanis...specially the girls...they don't become ****** like indian girls (mostly don't)....but whatever...we all know the reality..even if you don't wanna admit it.....

No I live in the same US of A as you. Yeah and my martian friends praised the friendliness of the vulcans. You are talking about Pakistani chicks. Them who come out of their home in hijabs decked all pretty well but once the subway door closes yank them out and shove it in their bag to become the amreekan chick. LOL..get down to reality mian. You aint fooling anyone.

Actually yes. Many Afghans and other people actually did come on political asylum. This only reinstates my point that indians earn more because they mostly come on WORK visas...unlike Muslims....but again..whatever..

Unless they coming on that was our fault, I dont see the point in your cribbing. Its the same as you ignoring the fact many Muslim nations are blessed with abundant natural resources.

Dumbo , I never questioned PEW's autherity.... least educated and poorest? Poop head what are you one? Desi indian drugs or some ****....

Yep. You you got it. If you are number literate, go read that figure and see where the Muslims come in the hierarchy. Cant be spoonfeeding every single step.

Well here you go :

YOUR OWN SOURCE : Pew Forum: Muslim Americans: Middle Class and Mostly Mainstream

And even more authentic : The Economist


Marketing to Muslims: Food, fashion and faith | The Economist

And these reports were from few years back. Situation has only improved for American-Muslims since then.....

Now please go clear the poor in your head

The news you posted is messed up. Pictures tell a 1000 words. Isnt it. Ok lets have another graphic. Click this. Two thirds of Muslims DONT earn 50,000+. The % earning more than 50K is 41% according to this and PEW. And same goes for the education levels also.

WTF? LOL! I never claimed the OIC is as effective as EU...but it is here... The point is this : OIC dwarfs insignificant india is EVERY SINGLE parameter.....yet indians were calling 'Muslims' as backward.. ... Is OIC as effective as EU? Thats not even the point... Muslims are wayyyy ahead than sh!thole india in every aspect. Average global Muslim lives a way better life than god forsaken average indian....

Average global Muslim..again Muslim as a monolith...mongoose....the Muslim in Turkey or Malaysia or Qatar may live a life better than Indian..but then again a muslim from Afghanistan or Somalia or Bangladesh or Mali or Niger or Kyrgyztan lives in conditions worse than India. Such a basic concept not getting recepted.

Im a Pandit by heritage ,an Atheist by conviction

Your community is a living example.

 

[kumarkumar1867]

Another good & knowledgeable thread gone into Gutter.

Thanks for members from both countries.

 

[Ticker]

My point exactly, the root cause is that you are taught to disrespect other religions; deep hatred and condescension towards nonbelievers. Don't expect a smile in return from every nonbeliever. Probably you need an introspection and update on outdated concepts.

Contrarily, it is you guys who are taught religious bigotry from very early ages in your homes and schools and colleges. Calling Indian Muslims Malechha in your houses is a common practice. And when you grow up you are so brainwashed that you don’t even feel that what you say is religious bigotry.

Most Indian history textbooks, for example, uncritically accepted the periodisation of history into the Hindu, Muslim and British periods. Hindu rulers were projected as having been tolerant and enlightened whereas Muslim rulers as bigoted and as the persecutors of Hindus. Another common bias, which flew in the face of all evidence, was that the Aryans were the original inhabitants of India.

High School Itihas Bhag 1: "The Indian society during the Sultanate period was divided into two main classes - ruling or Muslim class and ruled or non-Muslims of whom Hindus were the majority" (page 281). Or: "Hindu was merely the payer of taxes. In spite of being conquered in the political field, Hindus did not lose courage. To regain their lost independence, they went on raising their voice from time to time.

In many schools Children, regardless of their religious background, have to recite the Saraswathi Vandana in the mornings and the Bhojan Mantra before their afternoon meal. Muslim children are often asked to lead the prayers. There are punishments meted out for not praying.

You guys are the biggest Islamophobes and the irony is that you don’t even know it.