What's new

Who are the Israelites & Jews and Who is their real Target

mikkix

SENIOR MEMBER
Joined
May 7, 2010
Messages
2,903
Reaction score
-7
Country
Pakistan
Location
Saudi Arabia
In order to understand this, we must look into the history and geography of this region. The Land on the east coast of Mediterranean Sea, Where the modern days, Jordon, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine and Israel is Located, used to be called Canaan and the people Who lived there were called Canaanites. Because of its geographical location, linking Europe, Asia and Africa, it was an excellent Peace of real estate and naturally an important centre for the trade and commerce among these three continents. While this was in the Advantage of the People of Canaan, it was also a bad luck for them because it was very tempting for the invaders and occupiers. Therefore, throughout the history, this region severed as a battle ground for thousands of bloody wars. While no one knows, that who were the actual Canaanites but there is Strong historical evidence regarding the earlier human settlers (Stone Age people) residing there approximately Ten thousand years before the birth of Jesus peace be upon him (i-e 10,000 BCE). Subsequently, it had been inhabited by multiple groups of people Such as Edomites, Moabites, Amorites etc but all these tribes are considered to be lost in the history since no reliable traces are available as to what happened to them latter. Similarly, the historical evidence Proves that the Jews are not the actual Canaanites but rather came to this region somewhere around about 2000 years before the Christian era (BCE). However where they came From, Still remains unclear.I would also like you to keep in mind, that during that particular time in history, the Canaan was bracketed by two Biggest civilizations and super powers of their time, namely the Egyptian empire at the very Far end and the Mesopotamia (the modern days Iraq) on the North-east, Which latter on, produced such Strong nations as; Sumerians, Assyrians and Babylonians. After having said that, I would like to take some facts from the religious history because to explain all this, in a pure historical prospective, is practically impossible.
 
.
We remember Quite well from our Islamic Studies, that Hazrat Ibrahim (Peace be upon him), had two Sons namely Hazrat Ismail and Isaq, Peace be upon both of them. While, there was no other prophet, in the lineage of Hazrat Ismail, except For our very dear prophet, Hazrat Muhammad Peace be upon him, there were multiple prophets of God, who came after H. Isaq, including his Son, Hazrat Yaqoob (Jacob) whose nick name was Israel. The Saidena Yaqoob, had twelve son (hence, 12 tribes of Israel). The most Famous of them, well known to us, was the prophet YUSUF (Joseph) and the most Notorious and corrupt among them, who is least known to us, was the Judah. Now, all those children of Israel (Jacob), who kept Following the teaching of Saidena Ibrahim, Ismail and Yaqoob, that is monotheism (Following one God), preferred to be called Israelites. While those, who remained polytheist and Idol worshipers just like the Canaanites and rest of the Societies at the time, called themselves, Jews. Even the holy Quran has referred to this (may Allah forgive me IF I didn’t make the exact translation) “We created you as Israelis but you choose to become yahooed”. I am sure, after this explanation, you can see for yourselves, the difference between the two. No matter what they say, they are not one but two distinct nations with obvious differences and disagreements which you will be able to see, in this article, from the historical point of View as well.

As I Stated above, that around about 2000 BCE, Jews came to Canaan and some of them migrated to Egypt. However After a while the Egyptian’s Pharaoh, kicked them out not only From Egypt but also From the Canaan towards the Sinai desert where they spent about Forty years under the leadership of Saidena Musa (Mosses). Also, this was the time when Jews claimed that, the God has promised them Canaan through Saidena Musa. Whether it is true or not is a separate Story but even if it was true, it was not for those who always, created hurdles for the prophet of God (Hazrat Musa) and constantly disobeyed him. Anyway, somewhere about 1200 BCE, once again, they entered, Canaan, how? No one really knows. However it was not until 1000 BCE, when the Jews Finally took the Land from the Canaanites and established the kingdom of Israel. But the good time did not lost for too long and less than 100 years latter that is about 922 BCE, the mighty empire split in two pieces because of their differences and constant disagreements which eventually led to a civil war. The kingdom, on the North called Israel and the one on the south was named Judea (that’s Jews land). Subsequently, the North kingdom was conquered by the Assyrians and deported the Israelis to the current areas OF Syria and Iraq. Couple hundred years, latter, the south was conquered by the Chaldean in the leadership of Nebuchadnezzar who deported the Jews to Babylon (modern day southern Iraq). Not only that, his troops burned the City and destroyed the Solomon’s temple. Remind you that since then the temple had been destroyed and rebuilt, three times. The First time as Stated earlier, while, the second and Third times by the Romans and Greek. These are the historical facts, which can be confirmed. Furthermore, during all this history, Since 2000 BCE, the Jews were threatened, killed, invaded and deported by Egyptian’s pharaohs, Babylonians, Assyrians and then Greeks and Romans. Not only that but also even in the 20th century, It was Hitler, who Killed and Starved millions of Jews, Who was a Christian. Matter of Fact, Islamic Era was the glorious period For the Jews. There is no Single historical evidence to prove, that the Jews were ever discriminated or treated unfairly, by the Muslims. IF anything, they were given the Utmost respect by the Muslims and their Rulers. Then what is the reason, that Jews hate Muslims so much? Remember, not everything that we see is true. There are always something behind the Curtain, Which need to be further explored but unfortunately, this is the human weakness, that he believes only what he sees. The Jew nation is very cleaver and Smart one. It has not forgotten or forgiven its enemy, neither, they are ignorant about all that, what I mentioned above and much more. They have, always kept their eyes over the target, which is the west and Christians. Not only that, I would also worn, those Hindus who are playing buddy, buddy, with them. They must remember, that all those Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians and even Persians before the Islam & Christianity, were no other then but Hindus. The rest I will leave to their imagination.

---------- Post added at 04:17 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:16 AM ----------

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I am very sure, you might have heard, seen or read, time to time, that So many Israel Spies were arrested in Europe and America but then the Story is immediately killed. This has been happening For years even Just after the 9/11 a dozen of Jews were caught spying over and inside the United States which came, once or twice on the Fox News but then disappeared and never surfaced anywhere in the US or the west. Why the Jews, are Spying on a Country who is their best Friend, who not only blindly Support them but also Feed and Finance them? Now you don’t have to be too smart to understand, the truth behind the Curtain. Before, to divert the American attention from them, there was a cold war, so they did not need, the trump card of Muslims or Islam phobia, but after the fall of USSR they are left with no other choice. After all, in order to get the big Fish you have to feed the smaller ones. They (Jews) know very well that the America is playing very well in their hands. They have been penetrating Slowly inside the US, their economy, real-estate, as well as, their politics but that was not enough because they want to completely control the America, which is only possible if the Jews weaken them by acquiring all their top Secrets, Which they were not able to do, because, they were taking their sweat time and never that, the cold war will, ever go away. But when that happened, for which they were not prepared of course, they panic and pushed their trump card so obviously that even the world noticed it. Therefore it is not doing as good Job for them as the cold war did. Also thanks to the internet and foreign media and press, the Americans and Europe is waking up. Now, they are not using the Blanket approach against all Muslims because it is not going well with the rest of the world so they started the policy of “Divide and rule”. Thus you are seeing the split among the Palestinians, Friendship with Egypt and Saudis. At the same time befriending with India and teaming up against Pakistan and its Nukes. They have already plotted some Fear against that in the mind of west and Some Americans Which is working so Far. But the goal behind all this is still the same, which is, to divert American attention from their longstanding Game. But I am very sure, they will never succeed, since they got, together with our enemy and trying to hurt us and we Pakistanis are neither Stupid nor ignorant. With the blessing of Allan (swt), Inshallah we will not only expose them but also bring the defeat to their doors. As long we Stay United and keep our eyes open. Furthermore, while I believe, that as a Muslim nation we must care about our other Muslim brothers and sisters, however at this crucial time, we must fully concentrate on our own motherland. Because, an intact and Strong Pakistan is not only, in our interest, but also, a guarantee (of course after Allah), to the rest of the Muslim world and the Peace loving poor minorities. We must support our government, no matter whoever they are, so that they can Feel Strong and able to respond to our enemies with a confidence.

---------- Post added at 04:18 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:17 AM ----------

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
By Perwazekhudi
 
.
Correct me if I am wrong didn't Mohammod banish Jews. I am sure there were jews in Medina when Mohammod was expelled to Medina.

Your rosy characterization of Jews under Muslim rule in primarily true in Spain, not every where else.

Jews were persecuted in almost all countries. including Ottoman turkey, middle east, Iran, Egypt and other Muslim lands.
 
.
Correct me if I am wrong didn't Mohammod banish Jews. I am sure there were jews in Medina when Mohammod was expelled to Medina.

Your rosy characterization of Jews under Muslim rule in primarily true in Spain, not every where else.

Jews were persecuted in almost all countries. including Ottoman turkey, middle east, Iran, Egypt and other Muslim lands.



Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did not banish the Jews. During his time Muslims were on an agreement with Jews that Jews can live in Medina but when the outsiders came, they will defend the city together. Number of times Jews went against this agreement and were subsequently warned by the Muslims. After their failure, yes they were forced to leave and after further troubles, under notable Muslim commanders they were forced to leave Arabia.

Look how they Manipulate the US and Western powers.

Clever they were, clever they are.
 
.
Correct me if I am wrong didn't Mohammod banish Jews. I am sure there were jews in Medina when Mohammod was expelled to Medina.

Your rosy characterization of Jews under Muslim rule in primarily true in Spain, not every where else.

Jews were persecuted in almost all countries. including Ottoman turkey, middle east, Iran, Egypt and other Muslim lands.


Wrong, Ottoman Empire was one of the most tolerant empires ever. The Jews who fled Spain after 1492 either went to Morocco or Ottoman Empire. Do you know that Thesaloniki, the second biggest city of modern day Greece today was the only Jewish Majority city in Europe? Majority of these were those who fled catholic persecution in Spain. Read about these two prominent Jews in Ottoman Empire.

Joseph Nasi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (non muslim bey/governor, "Lord of Tiberias").

Emmanuel Carasso - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (leading memeber of Young Turk movement)

In Spain Nasi had to hide his Jewish identity. In Istanbul, he openly practised Jewdaism. He also encouraged/financed Jewish Emigiration to Palestine.

Protestants in Hungary and Austria used to flee to Ottoman Bosnia and Ottoman Hungary to avoid persecution from the Catholic monarchs. Since the Ottoman Empire was the whole middle east your saying that Jews were persecuted in Middle east is very wrong. On the contrary they had far more oportunities as well as the possibility of practising their religion openly in the Middle East in contrast to Europe. Thats why large Jewish minorities were present their uptil 48. Anti Semitism only gained popularity there when Jews backstabbed and created an illegal state in the middle of the arab world.
 
.
Correct me if I am wrong didn't Mohammod banish Jews. I am sure there were jews in Medina when Mohammod was expelled to Medina.

Your rosy characterization of Jews under Muslim rule in primarily true in Spain, not every where else.

Jews were persecuted in almost all countries. including Ottoman turkey, middle east, Iran, Egypt and other Muslim lands.

not in Iran

Iran helped the jews most of history except the period of sefevid dinasty
which was as well persecuting ALL religions even sunnis

you cannot summarize the history with Iran only with this period
 
.
Matter of Fact, Islamic Era was the glorious period For the Jews. There is no Single historical evidence to prove, that the Jews were ever discriminated or treated unfairly, by the Muslims.
Thats myth. Jews were third class citizens, they had to pay jizyan and were subject to humiliaton. Jews could not ride horse or camel, build houses taller than Muslim, when entering Muslim quarter they had to remove shoes and walk barefoot. Even infamous yellow badge for Jews is Islamic invention not Nazi. There were massacres and forced conversions too. For example in 1066 in vaunted Muslim Spain, Grandada were massacred 5,000 Jews. In 1679 Yemen Jews were faced before choice: convert to Islam or being expelled to desert. Wast majority chosed to be expelled, later they were allowed to return, but 2/3 died and virtually all their property lost.
 
. .
Thats myth. Jews were third class citizens, they had to pay jizyan and were subject to humiliaton. Jews could not ride horse or camel, build houses taller than Muslim, when entering Muslim quarter they had to remove shoes and walk barefoot. Even infamous yellow badge for Jews is Islamic invention not Nazi. There were massacres and forced conversions too. For example in 1066 in vaunted Muslim Spain, Grandada were massacred 5,000 Jews. In 1679 Yemen Jews were faced before choice: convert to Islam or being expelled to desert. Wast majority chosed to be expelled, later they were allowed to return, but 2/3 died and virtually all their property lost.

Going by the Flag on your profile

Tell me are you not the same people who were unhappy with the food that God used to have delivered to you ?

are you not the same people who after witnessing the miracle of water splitting and destruction of Egyptians immediately turned to worship the cow when moses went on the mountain ?

What is even more ironic is that this same people of Israel now teach the world facts about history and champions of truth.

whereby even according to Torah and Bible these people have been A class liars

God himself couldn't satisfy you what can a human do.
 
Last edited:
.
Going by the Flag on your profile

Tell me are you not the same people who were unhappy with the food that God used to have delivered to you ?

are you not the same people who after witnessing the miracle of water splitting and destruction of Egyptians immediately turned to worship the cow when moses went on the mountain ?

What is even more ironic is that this same people of Israel now teach the world facts about history and champions of truth.

whereby even according to Torah and Bible these people have been A class liars

God himself couldn't satisfy you what can a human do.
If you talk about religion. According to Islam all nations recieved prophets from God who teached them monotheism. But Jews are only nation which preserved monotheism. So before attacking Jews look at yourself.
 
.
Correct me if I am wrong didn't Mohammod banish Jews. I am sure there were jews in Medina when Mohammod was expelled to Medina.

Your rosy characterization of Jews under Muslim rule in primarily true in Spain, not every where else.

Jews were persecuted in almost all countries. including Ottoman turkey, middle east, Iran, Egypt and other Muslim lands.

By that logic, their wouldn't be any Jews alive today in that case as Muslims ruled the land for over a Millenium.

Bit like India, Muslims ruled it for hundreds and hundreds of years, Hindu presence even now is testiment to the woes of persecution/oppression.
 
. .
By that logic, their wouldn't be any Jews alive today in that case as Muslims ruled the land for over a Millenium.

Bit like India, Muslims ruled it for hundreds and hundreds of years, Hindu presence even now is testiment to the woes of persecution/oppression.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
same again and again
 
.
Thats myth. Jews were third class citizens, they had to pay jizyan and were subject to humiliaton. Jews could not ride horse or camel, build houses taller than Muslim, when entering Muslim quarter they had to remove shoes and walk barefoot. Even infamous yellow badge for Jews is Islamic invention not Nazi. There were massacres and forced conversions too. For example in 1066 in vaunted Muslim Spain, Grandada were massacred 5,000 Jews. In 1679 Yemen Jews were faced before choice: convert to Islam or being expelled to desert. Wast majority chosed to be expelled, later they were allowed to return, but 2/3 died and virtually all their property lost.

BS..
Andalus' era is now considered the Golden Age for Hebrew literature. You can see Maimonides on your Sheqel, right?

"Generally, the Jewish people were allowed to practice their religion and live according to the laws and scriptures of their community. Furthermore, the restrictions to which they were subject “were social and symbolic rather than tangible and practical in character. That is to say, these regulations served to define the relationship between the two communities, and not to oppress the Jewish population."
– Bernard Lewis, The Jews of Islam (1984).

As for Jizya, it was a per capita tax charged from non-Muslims to be exempted from military service, it was optional. Muslims had to pay Zakat which was not imposed on non-Muslims.
 
.
mikkix said:
Similarly, the historical evidence Proves that the Jews are not the actual Canaanites but rather came to this region somewhere around about 2000 years before the Christian era (BCE). However where they came From, Still remains unclear

Moses led the caravans of Jews from Egypt to promised land which is the so called Israel today.

The actual motive behind western push of secularism is to make people disbelif or forget religious history and take up science as new god so the white man can continue looting of other civilzations.
 
.

Pakistan Affairs Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom