When INS Vikrant (R11) gave nightmare to Pakistan's Navy!

[Gentelman]

At least this Vikrant is eye opner to PN and maybe GOP increase it's budget to increase it's surface fleet and aquaration of modern sub………
Well about Vikrant we all know its not gonna see real battlefield if PN subs fleet is strong…
@Agnostic_Indian If you are talking about disbling Vikrant then even an antirunway bomb is enough to disable it for several weeks……
well I always prefer Special Forces Ops against big shipe like that with even 3 teems of 60 personnels each but it can be conducted if Aircraft carrier is in enemy territory……
well CM-400 if hit at right spot then 1 can be enough but if random hit then even a carrier can survive 5-8 hits……
Such Ops would be much fun don't you think??

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

At least this Vikrant is eye opner to PN and maybe GOP increase it's budget to increase it's surface fleet and aquaration of modern sub………
Well about Vikrant we all know its not gonna see real battlefield if PN subs fleet is strong…
@Agnostic_Indian If you are talking about disbling Vikrant then even an antirunway bomb is enough to disable it for several weeks……
well I always prefer Special Forces Ops against big shipe like that with even 3 teems of 60 personnels each but it can be conducted if Aircraft carrier is in enemy territory……
well CM-400 if hit at right spot then 1 can be enough but if random hit then even a carrier can survive 5-8 hits……
Such Ops would be much fun don't you think??

Ha ha.. special commando operation team to destabilize aircraft carrier ? can you give us the details of how will you reach a carrier accompanied By CBG, 500+ km away from pak shore ? of course with out spilling out any classified data of your plan

or How will you target carrier with Cm400akg ?

 

[shree835]

I hope that when India decided to rebuild Vikrant, countermeasures were already taken by Pakistan Navy. At this moment we can say nothing but only full scale war will decide which side planned & played well.

Till date Pakistan fought many war with India and you mean to say that Pakistan was not prepared for it...Simply Pakistani came to die and surrender...hmm...Which Scale of war Pakistan fought with India...As per your definition.

 

[Black Eagle 90]

New Delhi, Aug 13: On Monday, The Indian Navy's iconic former warship INS Vikrant took a rebirth in Kochi. Soon, after its launch, the images of India's home-built aircraft carrier, INS Vikrant went viral on the Internet and they were shared in the online world.
The whole country is elated with the launch of the warship INS Vikrant, as it has put India in the list of nations having warships.
Before inaugurating the aircraft, the Defence Minister AK Antony broke a coconut, that is a ritual in India, performed before any auspicious event.
Although the INS Vikrant is being discussed everywhere, but very few are aware of the fact that once, this aircraft gave a 'nightmare' to the neighbouring country, Pakistan. And there is no doubt, that this time, too, it must have left Pakistan sweating!
Lets turn the pages of history and take a glimpse at the INS Vikrant (R11) that is still and forever be remembered by the Indian for its distinguished service.
Here, we are talking about that Vikrant , that was purchased by India in 1957 from the United Kingdom(UK). Then, it was commissioned in the Indian Navy fleet on March 4 1961 by the then Indian High Commissioner to the UK, Vijaylaxmi Pandit. It was the warship, on which dozens of aircrafts could take off simultaneously and helicopters could land.
In 1961, the INS Vikrant (R11) became India's first aircraft carrier. The fact to be noted, here, is that it played a crucial role in enforcing the naval blockade on East Pakistan during the Indo-Pak war of 1971.
The construction of INS Vikrant was first done by the UK's Royal Navy in the form of HMS Hercules (R 49) and on November 12, 1943, it was laid down in the River Tyne.
It was launched on September 22, 1945 but, it's construction work was suspended in May 1946 due to the end of World War II.
The first Commanding Officer of this carrier, that joined the Bombay unit of the Indian Navy, on November 3 1961, was Captain Pritam Singh. It was re-deployed towards Chittagong during India-Pakistan war of 1971.
In 1965, Pakistan even claimed that it had sunk the Vikrant. But, at that time, the ship was undergoing some modifications.
According to the Naval Intelligence reports, the Pakistan Navy's all attempts to launch an attack on INS Vikrant went in vain on December 4, 1971.
Then Pakistan Navy deployed its special submarine named PNS Ghazi- to target and sink the INS Vikrant. But before it could reach Vishakhapatnam to incapacitate Vikrant, the another India's cruiser, INS Rajput (D141) sank off the PNS Ghazi due to depth charges.
The Navy crew deployed on the INS Vikrant left Pakistan's Navy sweating and successfully foiled their unscrupulous attempts. For this, the Navy's crew of Vikrant was rewarded with two Mahavir Chakras and 12 Veer Chakras.
Presently, the INS Vikrant (R11), that is recognized for its commendable services, is preserved as a maritime museum in Cuffe Parade, Mumbai.
One India News
When INS Vikrant (R11) gave nightmare to Pakistan's Navy! - Oneindia News

I know that no Indian will agree with my words but I am 100% sure that if Russian comes up with their own N-Carrier soon then they will going to sell their existing carrier to IN again and will try their best to make that deal come true.

 

[shree835]

According to this article PNS Ghazi was sunk by INS rajput, now this is typical Indian hysteria.
We all know PNS Ghazi got sunk by its Own Mine.

This is not your fault... Proper History is not been tough to you at your school....Only thing you have learned that how to live in denial…Carry on.

 

[Pabbi]

It is prerogative to believe your own media.

 

[DV RULES]

Till date Pakistan fought many war with India and you mean to say that Pakistan was not prepared for it...Simply Pakistani came to die and surrender...hmm...Which Scale of war Pakistan fought with India...As per your definition.

We don't want to be keypad warriors or blind so analysis of each situation or conflict may bring useful details. In my words there is sufficient answer for those who like to use brain.

 

[Kompromat]

A well stocked CBG is a formidable blockade tool...

Blockade Pakistan from 'what' ?

1: We'll get our oil from the middle east/Gas from Iran. [Gwadar].
2: Weapons and spare parts from China [By air/road].
3: Food supplies are independently produced.
4: Pakistan exports ammo and builds all of its major weapons and their spare parts.

We are not in 1971 anymore,when there were no such things as stand off weapons of ranges that can attack surface vessels 400-500 miles away. Also Pakistan Navy now has bases in Karachi,Ormara and one being built in Gwadar. Pakistan navy doesn't have offensive capability right now, but it is a potent defense force when it comes to 'Area Sea Denial'. Yes our Navy can't bomb India right now, but in order to establish the 'blockade' you are dreaming of, you would have to come into the Arabian sea, where your Navy would be locked between the Coast of Oman and Pakistan, an area of 800kms.

Even if Karachi is somehow, blockaded, we can operate through Gwadar, Ormara and Port Qasim, Indian Navy would have to Sail deep into the Arabian Sea by 1000kms to cut Pakistan off completely which will extend its 'Home Base Distance' by 1200-1500 kms. It will totally be in range of sea skimming AShMs, both from the surface and ground. Indian CBGs are not so much of a threat to Pakistan, they are a threat to other countries like Sri Lanka, Maldives, Bangladesh and Myanmar which rely on open sea trade. China on the other hand may not be as dominant in the Indian ocean as the Indian propaganda is presenting it to be.

 

[Kompromat]

This is not your fault... Proper History is not been tough to you at your school....Only thing you have learned that how to live in denial…Carry on.

It seems to be the case with you.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-history-strategy/256141-pns-ghazi-indian-propaganda.html

 

[karan.1970]

Blockade Pakistan from 'what' ?

1: We'll get our oil from the middle east/Gas from Iran. [Gwadar].
2: Weapons and spare parts from China [By air/road].
3: Food supplies are independently produced.
4: Pakistan exports ammo and builds all of its major weapons and their spare parts.

We are not in 1971 anymore,when there were no such things as stand off weapons of ranges that can attack surface vessels 400-500 miles away. Also Pakistan Navy now has bases in Karachi,Ormara and one being built in Gwadar. Pakistan navy doesn't have offensive capability right now, but it is a potent defense force when it comes to 'Area Sea Denial'. Yes our Navy can't bomb India right now, but in order to establish the 'blockade' you are dreaming of, you would have to come into the Arabian sea, where your Navy would be locked between the Coast of Oman and Pakistan, an area of 800kms.

Even if Karachi is somehow, blockaded, we can operate through Gwadar, Ormara and Port Qasim, Indian Navy would have to Sail deep into the Arabian Sea by 1000kms to cut Pakistan off completely which will extend its 'Home Base Distance' by 1200-1500 kms. It will totally be in range of sea skimming AShMs, both from the surface and ground. Indian CBGs are not so much of a threat to Pakistan, they are a threat to other countries like Sri Lanka, Maldives, Bangladesh and Myanmar which rely on open sea trade. China on the other hand may not be as dominant in the Indian ocean as the Indian propaganda is presenting it to be.

By this logic, no country in the world needs to have CBGs... Right?

 

[Kompromat]

By this logic, no country in the world needs to have CBGs... Right?

No, you may have 10 CBGs. What i have stated is that as a matter of 'operational capability' it doesn't affect Pakistan more than the Indian naval capability already does, because of our geography, contrary to the jingoistic commentary in your media.

Arabian sea is and Persian gulf is a bottleneck water body, anyone coming with large Naval formations can be ambushed and destroyed. Keeping such a threat in mind, the Pakistan Navy recently bought a Stand Off Coastal Defense System. Its Range is 280 km at very low altitude, 10 to 30 meter for cruise and about 7 meter in terminal flight. If it is fired at a Medium altitude, it can cover the whole of the Arabian Sea.

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@ghilzai Something like this?

Pakistan navy's coastal defense system.

Pakistan Navy have purchased 120 C-602 long range anti-ship cruise missiles from china to counter the threat posed to the surface fleet of Pakistan navy by the Proliferation of Russian supersonic AntiShip missiles P-800 Oniks / Yakhont / PJ-10 Brahmos (Indian assembled version of Yakhont). Long range of the C-602 AntiShip missile will make sure that Pakistan Navy have first shoot advantage in case of an encounter with the Indian ships equipped with Russian Yakhont AntiShip missiles.

The C-602 long-range subsonic anti-ship cruise missile is developed by the CASIC 3rd Academy. The C-602 outperforms most Western and Russian anti-ship missiles in terms of range and warhead mass. The YJ-62 was first offered for export by the China National Precision Machinery Import and Export Corporation (CPMIEC) during the Defense Systems & Equipment International (DSEI) Land and Naval Systems Exhibition in September 2005.

The missile is fitted with a strap-down inertial guidance coupled with GPS, and active radar for the terminal phase. CPMIEC claims that the C-602 is fitted with a frequency agile radar seeker which offers greater resistance to jamming from targeted ship. The active radar seeker has an acquisition range of up to 40km.

The C-602 is a conventional cruise missile design, with mid-body wings that deploy following launch. The fixed ventral air inlet is mounted slightly forward of the cruciform tail fins. The missile is 6.1 meters long (without the 0.9 meter-long launch booster), and weighs 1,140kg. The solid propellant booster weighs an additional 210kg.


The C-602 has a cruise speed of Mach 0.6, carries a 300kg HE blast warhead, is powered by a small turbojet, and has a stated range of 280km, with the missile flying at an altitude of 30 meters during the cruise phase of an engagement. In the terminal phase, the missile descends to a height of seven meters, and it can be launched from truck-mounted launchers, from warships as well as from medium multi-role combat aircraft.C-602 anti-ship missile employs a cylinder-shape launcher.


Pakistan Navy have purchased Chinese C602 long range anti-ship cruise missiles ~ ASIAN DEFENCE


For Maritime Strike we have the Supersonic CM-400AKG AShM.

 

[nomi007]

You are back ?

please explain to us Indians that how will cm400 even target aircraft carrier, let alone hitting it, disabling it.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...akg-tough-job-indian-navy-31.html#post4398140

tell me did china test df-21 againstusa or any other country
did you test BrahMos against any country

 

[Gentelman]

Ha ha.. special commando operation team to destabilize aircraft carrier ? can you give us the details of how will you reach a carrier accompanied By CBG, 500+ km away from pak shore ? of course with out spilling out any classified data of your plan

or How will you target carrier with Cm400akg ?

Well Thats classified info……
well SSG(N) if can't operate in radius of 500-600km then they are as bad as dead fish for me……
But as I mentioned above that condition is if Vikrant is taking active role in war rather than being hidden in ports……
well about CM-400 I didn't understood your question……
How can I target??
PAF an I can't coz i don't have anything to do with PAF
and how??
JF-17 blick 2
its speed and classification is known to you then why cant it be fired??
and its really tricky to defend also with much accuracy and 180-200km range ……

 

[surya kiran]

I know that no Indian will agree with my words but I am 100% sure that if Russian comes up with their own N-Carrier soon then they will going to sell their existing carrier to IN again and will try their best to make that deal come true.

It is more likely to go the pakfa way than a purchase. Joint development is the 'new' buzzword in the MoD

 

[surya kiran]

Blockade Pakistan from 'what' ?

1: We'll get our oil from the middle east/Gas from Iran. [Gwadar]. Nope. You cannot. Ask the resident economist Haq saab on why you cannot.

For the rest of the post, including India posters, blockades may not necessarily work, because, they do not have an immediate effect. Its effect is seen over weeks, not days. And a IndoPak flare up may not last weeks.

Also, you do not need a CBG to enforce a blockade. The reason to purchase and deploy SSNs is to enforce the blockade. The area of blockade if it happens, will not be the Karachi port, but more likely nearer to Gwadar. The role of the CBG, will be to provide ASD operations. over the Arabian Sea. To totally control the Arabian Sea will require 3 CBGs deployed. This will effectively mean not ASD, but Area Domination.

The critical component of the IN during a stand-off will be the Poseidons to ensure SSK operations are checked.