When General Musharaf Spent a Night in India !!

[Tornado23]

of course we did.

So, why does Pakistan currently occupy 4/8 peaks, it took during the conflict, to this day?

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Rivers of blood were flowing down the mountainous slopes as the poor and malnourished bharti skinnies were getting cut down by lmg fire. Hell, our boys were even throwing boulders down on the bhartoad sepoys when they ran out of ammo… lmfao

Talk about delusion from these slum dogs.

 

[datafreak]

So, why does Pakistan currently occupy 4/8 peaks, it took during the conflict, to this day?

You occupy 20 peaks in your imagination. I can give you 'Indian MP claims we occupy Azad Kashmir' as proof.

When Nawaz reached US he asked Clinton to talk to India and agree to a ceasefire. He said 'they will not ceasefire and will kill every enemy combatant even if spotted reterating'. Completely lacking in supplies and demoralized your troops were fleeing the India Army's massive bombardment. You think we had any pressure to leave behind anything. Be thankful we didn't capture 40 peaks of yours as punishment. We did that in Siachen earlier and till date we hold it. I think US prevented us from doing that.

 

[Tornado23]

You occupy 20 peaks in your imagination. I can give you 'Indian MP claims we occupy Azad Kashmir' as proof.

When Nawaz reached US he asked Clinton to talk to India and agree to a ceasefire. He said 'they will not ceasefire and will kill every enemy combatant even if spotted reterating'. Completely lacking in supplies and demoralized your troops were fleeing the India Army's massive bombardment. You think we had any pressure to leave behind anything. Be thankful we didn't capture 40 peaks of yours as punishment. We did that in Siachen earlier and till date we hold it. I think US prevented us from doing that.

8 peaks were occupied from the start.

Point 5353
Shangruti
Dhalunag
Aftab 1
Bunker Ridge
Saddle ridge
Tololing
Tiger Hill

Tololing and Tiger Hill were lost during the Kargil war.

Shangruti and Dhalunag were lost during the skirmishes in the year 2000.

5353, saddle ridge, bunker ridge and aftab 1 remain in our control.

You can search it up.

It's a fact. You failed to take back all the peaks and to expel Pakistani prescence in the area. Both were objectives in operation vijay. Neither one were met.

 

[datafreak]

Sure bro- Tololing and Tiger Hill were lost during the Kargil war.

 

[Windjammer]

wht should we have humility? We didn't lose the war.

You never won it either except through media and propganda.

Indian newspapers and their public believe--or say they believe--that the conflict in Dras-Kargil last year was a military victory for India. In fact, it was a war 'won' by briefings and a slavishly supportive media. The Indian public wanted to be assured of 'victory,' and every effort was made to provide that assurance. Kargil was disastrous for Pakistan in worldwide political terms, and was an important public relations coup for the Indian government, both internally (in the run-up to the election), and internationally. But militarily it was a shambles for India whose brave but ill-prepared soldiers suffered gravely and would have sustained even heavier casualties had the conflict continued. The prime minister of Pakistan was ordered by the president of the United States to withdraw his troops from a successful military operation and this was done in time to save the Vajpayee government from the wave of criticism that would have swamped it had the confrontation not been stopped.
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Clinton reveals the Kargil conversations with Sharif and thinks he may have been responsible for the coup.

 

[VkdIndian]

Kargil was a perfect example of how not to plan an operation. An army chief and his cronies planned an operation without any considerations of - possible escalation, diplomatic fallout, staff work by other branches, taking other services opinion. He even kept his own PM in the dark.


Indian government of the day decided not to escalate and asked the IAF to not violate the LOC while carrying out attacks on the occupied peaks. It was not due to weakness but out of restraint. Some jokers are now trying to spin this into something else.

One of the most authentic account of Kargil events has been penned down by Air Commodore Kaiser Tufail. He was directly involved and was aware of that misadventure planned by Musharraf.
This is what he says -

“In an effort to keep the plan secret, which was thought to be the key to its successful initiation, the Army trio took no one into confidence, neither its own operational commanders nor the heads of the other services. This, regrettably, resulted in a closed-loop thought process which engendered a string of oversights and failures:​

• Failure to grasp the wider military and diplomatic ramifications of a limited tactical operation that had the potential of creating major strategic effects.​

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• Failure to correctly visualise the response of a powerful enemy to what was, in effect, a major blow in a disputed sector.​

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• Failure to spell out the specific aim to field commanders, who acted on their own to needlessly capture territory and expand the scope of the operation to unmanageable levels.​

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• Failure to appreciate the inability of the Army officers to evaluate the capabilities and limitations of an Air Force.​

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• Failure to coordinate contingency plans at the tri-services level.”​

Can anyone say these things ever for a successful operation? Other than a Pakistani Bhaktora?

I guess BHAKTORAS exist on both the sides.

 

[Goenitz]

Google Earth: Peak of Point 5353 (Kargil) lies on Pakistani side of LoC

Google Earth has updated the image of LoC peaks and has marked P5353. This shows that peak of Point 5353 lies on the Pakistani side of LoC (Google uses the LoC defined mutually as per 1972 Simla agreement). A small part of base of the mountain is the thing only on Indian side. Infact both peak...

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@Windjammer @PanzerKiel

Now, the peak is very close to LOC and IA camps. Aren't they afraid of us?
or we don't man the peak ! ?

34°31'32"N 75°41'55"E

 

[Tornado23]

Kargil was a perfect example of how not to plan an operation. An army chief and his cronies planned an operation without any considerations of - possible escalation, diplomatic fallout, staff work by other branches, taking other services opinion. He even kept his own PM in the dark.


Indian government of the day decided not to escalate and asked the IAF to not violate the LOC while carrying out attacks on the occupied peaks. It was not due to weakness but out of restraint. Some jokers are now trying to spin this into something else.

One of the most authentic account of Kargil events has been penned down by Air Commodore Kaiser Tufail. He was directly involved and was aware of that misadventure planned by Musharraf.
This is what he says -

“In an effort to keep the plan secret, which was thought to be the key to its successful initiation, the Army trio took no one into confidence, neither its own operational commanders nor the heads of the other services. This, regrettably, resulted in a closed-loop thought process which engendered a string of oversights and failures:​

• Failure to grasp the wider military and diplomatic ramifications of a limited tactical operation that had the potential of creating major strategic effects.​

​

• Failure to correctly visualise the response of a powerful enemy to what was, in effect, a major blow in a disputed sector.​

​

• Failure to spell out the specific aim to field commanders, who acted on their own to needlessly capture territory and expand the scope of the operation to unmanageable levels.​

​

• Failure to appreciate the inability of the Army officers to evaluate the capabilities and limitations of an Air Force.​

​

• Failure to coordinate contingency plans at the tri-services level.”​

Can anyone say these things ever for a successful operation? Other than a Pakistani Bhaktora?

I guess BHAKTORAS exist on both the sides.

And still with those failures, India was unable to complete operation vijay, ultimately costing them victory.

 

[Lava820]

Point 5310:
●It is located at a distance of about one kilometre on the Pakistani side of the  LoC
●Captured in an operation by troops of the  IA on April 8, 2000
●The peak is of strategic importance because it enables the  IA to tactically control 12 square kilometres of Pakistani territory in Karubar bowl
● Domination of this area also threatened the Pakistani posts opposite Turtok Sector from the rear

Point 5608: Lies about 15km to the east of Point 5353 in the Kaksar sector. It overlooks the Shingo Valley in Pakistan. Indian troops took control of this feature

The Indians reoccupied Point 5240, besides Point 5165, in August 1999

India controls Point 5070 too a strategically important peak along the Marpo La pass. It lies on the Pakistani side of the LoC, about 10 km west of Point 5353. Both Points 5070 and 5240 also overlook the Pakistani supply route for Point 5353

@Primus

 

[Tornado23]

@Primus

5310 taken after the initial Kargil conflict and during the skirmishes in the year 2000.

5240 and 5165 was taken when commander Aul betrayed the ceasefire which he wanted. He tried to launch a surprise attack to take 5353 but failed miserably and had to settle with 5240 and 5165.

Alongside 5353, as I have said before, Pakistan still occupies Aftab 1, Bunker Ridge and Saddle ridge. Which is half the peaks it took during the start of the conflict.

 

[datafreak]

5310 taken after the initial Kargil conflict and during the skirmishes in the year 2000.

5240 and 5165 was taken when commander Aul betrayed the ceasefire which he wanted. He tried to launch a surprise attack to take 5353 but failed miserably and had to settle with 5240 and 5165.

Alongside 5353, as I have said before, Pakistan still occupies Aftab 1, Bunker Ridge and Saddle ridge. Which is half the peaks it took during the start of the conflict.

No you don't occupy any of those things. Hell you even claimed you occupied Tiger Hill. So much for your 'GK'.

 

[Lava820]

Alongside 5353, as I have said before, Pakistan still occupies Aftab 1, Bunker Ridge and Saddle ridge. Which is half the peaks it took during the start of the conflict.

In retaliation,16 GREN was directed to occupy Pt 5245 which was southeast of Pt 5353. With this event the war ended in the Mushkoh–Drass sector. In addition to this, the Indian forces also controls the highest one, Point 5608, whereas the Pakistanis control Point 5353, because that is what the terrain allows. The tactical advantage to Pakistan from controlling the point 5353 is minimal

 

[Lava820]

@Primus Point 5070 enables the Indian Army to have a grand view of the  Gultari Valley through which Pakistani posts are maintained in Dras

 

[Tornado23]

@Primus Point 5070 enables the Indian Army to have a grand view of the  Gultari Valley through which Pakistani posts are maintained in Dras

I recommend you read Pravin Sawhney article on the Kargil war and how it was such a failure for India.

It's on this forum, go search for it

No you don't occupy any of those things. Hell you even claimed you occupied Tiger Hill. So much for your 'GK'.