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[Tps43]

The Scriptures say about creation something to the following effect that


1-We created beings in pairs -------


2- Eve was made as a comforting partner for Adam and vice versa -------.


So if we go by the theory of evolution how come a single- organism can diversify itself into both male and female in parallel simultaneously ?


Mankind shouldnt have existed coz there was no mating partner in existence?


@Tps43 @Verve @fitpOsitive @jamahir @V. Makarov

You have got such a valid question now I have to comeback again after properly thinking about it.

 

[jamahir]

The decadence of Gaddafi is well known - hardly a socialist ideal.

That "decadence" included building Libya to be a welfare society with the basic necessities like housing, healthcare and education being free because they are human rights ( unlike in Capitalist, so-called democracies ). Water too was a human right in pre-2011 Libya to be had for free and to extend that he initiated the building of the world's biggest water delivery project called Great Man Made River project. And Libya was a true democracy which I consider the realization of Communism's desire for a society where there is "Withering away of the State" i.e. the people governing themselves i.e. direct democracy though the Libyans didn't consider their political system a part of Communism but Gaddafi had written an essay that was titled IIRC "Has Communism arrived yet ?".

This Libyan girl in mid-2011 didn't care for others ( Western governments and their allies ) describing Gaddafi as decadent and dictator and gathered in a defiant demonstration of support for Gaddafi and the Jamahiriya system of Libya even as NATO and its GCC allies were bombing Libya. I don't know what became of her.

Assad's was not socialist either, both ran military dictatorships. And dictatorships can be very stable so yes some people want stability back.

Actually it is irrational, stupid Anglo-style so-called democracies like USA and India which are stable. From Henry Ford in "democratic" USA the 1930s whose thugs and puppet police shot demonstrating factory workers to the protesting farmers in "democratic" India's Delhi, protesting for 1.4 years until December 2021 and from among whom 700 farmers died of various causes needlessly, so-called democracies are stable because unfortunately stupidity is stable.

But both examples prove that socialism does not work - it's just a pretext for control as I said before.

Well, I am a Communist so I will post the below Google result for "Communism" in simple words :

Communism is a philosophical, social, political and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state. Wikipedia

Will you say that what is desired above is a pretext for control ? Now Libya was a Socialist society ( they didn't call themselves Communist ) but when you read Libya's political arrangement in its society from my given link above you will see it being a system where the people participated directly in societal governance. There was no party boss ( party-less system ), no president, prime minister, chief minister, governor etc. The people governed the society from neighborhood level to country level. Ideas from the top level were discussed at neighborhood level and those ideas were discussed elsewhere in the society and then were taken up at the General People's Congress at country level to be ratified or rejected as per the the ideas of the people. If you read the quoted article in the linked post you will see that even Gaddafi's proposals were sometimes rejected by the people. So unlike what you say there was no one there with a pretext to control others.

Now to Russia - the last 30 years have revealed communism too - while the workers toiled, unimaginable wealth and power was concentrated in the hands of a few. This wealth now resides in the hands of a few oligarchs.

I agree about the existence of the oligarchs and this should not have been but the Russian government has not been Communist since the last 30 years but I am happy about two photos posted in this thread of two tanks in the Russian incursion carry USSR flags.

Human history is littered with constant, unchecked warfare. The last few decades were as close to peace as the world has ever been - but the 'good guys' of socialism and theocracy will take us back to the old world again I'm afraid.

How are you describing the last few decades close to peace ? You missed the NATO invasions or regime-change attempts of Iraq, Libya, Syria and Venezuela in various ways just since 2003. It is NATO which has to dissolve and allow humanity to initiate abolishment of war once and for all.

And please don't compare life in India with others. India is a 1.3b person, poor, undereducated, overpopulated, communal, multi ethnic, multi religious mess. It's not capitalism or democracies doing.

Who told Indians to birth a 1.3 billion populace ? And logically the 1.3 billion Indian populace should mean at least a billion Indians who have contributed to the advancement of India and humanity. Brought political, technological, socio-economic and environmental advancement and harmony. India being multi-ethnic and multi-religious should not have counted. But has that been the case ? Why not ?

if India was socialist you would need to wipe out all religions for starters. Put child birth restrictions in place. And most painfully of all you would have to trust other Indians to administer your wealth. Does that sound like a recipe for success to you?

What do you mean by "wealth" ?

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

@Mangus Ortus Novem

I am planning to start

“The Development of MetaPhysics in Persia”, By Allama Iqbal.

What are your views on it ?

O Shahzade,

It is a must read... Allam Iqbal R.A. also worked in Germany during this time in his life.

The work is a MUST read.

Go ahead and read it a couple of times at least!

Mangus

 

[EasyNow]

That "decadence" included building Libya to be a welfare society with the basic necessities like housing, healthcare and education being free because they are human rights ( unlike in Capitalist, so-called democracies ). Water too was a human right in pre-2011 Libya to be had for free and to extend that he initiated the building of the world's biggest water delivery project called Great Man Made River project. And Libya was a true democracy which I consider the realization of Communism's desire for a society where there is "Withering away of the State" i.e. the people governing themselves i.e. direct democracy though the Libyans didn't consider their political system a part of Communism but Gaddafi had written an essay that was titled IIRC "Has Communism arrived yet ?".

This Libyan girl in mid-2011 didn't care for others ( Western governments and their allies ) describing Gaddafi as decadent and dictator and gathered in a defiant demonstration of support for Gaddafi and the Jamahiriya system of Libya even as NATO and its GCC allies were bombing Libya. I don't know what became of her.



Actually it is irrational, stupid Anglo-style so-called democracies like USA and India which are stable. From Henry Ford in "democratic" USA the 1930s whose thugs and puppet police shot demonstrating factory workers to the protesting farmers in "democratic" India's Delhi, protesting for 1.4 years until December 2021 and from among whom 700 farmers died of various causes needlessly, so-called democracies are stable because unfortunately stupidity is stable.



Well, I am a Communist so I will post the below Google result for "Communism" in simple words :

Will you say that what is desired above is a pretext for control ? Now Libya was a Socialist society ( they didn't call themselves Communist ) but when you read Libya's political arrangement in its society from my given link above you will see it being a system where the people participated directly in societal governance. There was no party boss ( party-less system ), no president, prime minister, chief minister, governor etc. The people governed the society from neighborhood level to country level. Ideas from the top level were discussed at neighborhood level and those ideas were discussed elsewhere in the society and then were taken up at the General People's Congress at country level to be ratified or rejected as per the the ideas of the people. If you read the quoted article in the linked post you will see that even Gaddafi's proposals were sometimes rejected by the people. So unlike what you say there was no one there with a pretext to control others.



I agree about the existence of the oligarchs and this should not have been but the Russian government has not been Communist since the last 30 years but I am happy about two photos posted in this thread of two tanks in the Russian incursion carry USSR flags.



How are you describing the last few decades close to peace ? You missed the NATO invasions or regime-change attempts of Iraq, Libya, Syria and Venezuela in various ways just since 2003. It is NATO which has to dissolve and allow humanity to initiate abolishment of war once and for all.



Who told Indians to birth a 1.3 billion populace ? And logically the 1.3 billion Indian populace should mean at least a billion Indians who have contributed to the advancement of India and humanity. Brought political, technological, socio-economic and environmental advancement and harmony. India being multi-ethnic and multi-religious should not have counted. But has that been the case ? Why not ?



What do you mean by "wealth" ?

Let me preface by saying that I am not an opponent of Gaddafi or Assad - they were the leaders their societies needed and they brought relative peace and stability to the countries. And the countries were /are far better with them than without.

But we're talking about socialist / communist govt and my argument is that these 2 leaders have proven that the system is bound to fail. Both regimes turned to nepotism and dictatorship (successfully) - they were not a success for socialism.

You're mistaken to bring human rights into the conversation. Socialism is characterised by a need to limit dissent - every socialist country has had to crack down on dissenters. Human rights: freedom of speech, freedom of choice, to protest, assembly - none of these sit with socialist ideology.

Gaddafi has given social welfare to citizens but that is not the same as human rights. Human rights are the same inalienable rights for all. He shot protesters, tortured prisoners and limited press completely. That is hardly an advert for human rights.

"Withering away of the State" i.e. the people governing themselves i.e. direct democracy

The "withering" of state line is an utter socialist lie. You are leaning on democracy to give it some legitimacy here, which is ironic.

Socialism is all 'state' - every area of work, belief and personal freedom is governed. And yes communism is a pretext for control, by definition it is a system of government where the needs of the many outweigh my own needs - forcibly. In normal human society we get to choose the sacrifices we make - under communism a sacrifice is taken from me regardless. And the worst part is that some seem to sacrifice more than others (as seen in USSR).

How are you describing the last few decades close to peace ? You missed the NATO invasions or regime-change attempts of Iraq, Libya, Syria and Venezuela in various ways just since 2003. It is NATO which has to dissolve and allow humanity to initiate abolishment of war once and for all.

My friend you are too wise not to know the nature of humans. Look at history from before WW2 to see true human violence. Almost every single country on earth had war, invasion or rebellion. India alone hosted 100s of battles during the Raj. The mughals fought each other constantly. The ottomans had centuries of rebellion with massive death tolls.

It's a verifiable fact that there has never been as little war as today. We get more affected by it because it is so unusual to see.

Who told Indians to birth a 1.3 billion populace ? And logically the 1.3 billion Indian populace should mean at least a billion Indians who have contributed to the advancement of India and humanity. Brought political, technological, socio-economic and environmental advancement and harmony. India being multi-ethnic and multi-religious should not have counted. But has that been the case ? Why not ?

You blame the population because they're not being made to work effectively. Remember you are one of those 1.3b too - should you be put to more effective use too? Do you see how inhuman that notion is?

Communism would require 1b to work according to the calculus of the leaders. But there is no guarantee that the leaders are right and no way to disprove their ability. Eg. You can't prove that USSR wouldn't have done better under democracy. In a communist state you have to let the wise ones decide for you - in a democracy the people judge the govt performance every minute.

What do you mean by "wealth

The wealth of the nation. Why would the same Indians that loot you in democracy not loot you in communism? Would you trust these same people to have even more power over you?

 

[jamahir]

Aren't you a pervert who wants to see skin of women and hates women who don't want to show their body skin to you?

Yes that is you, you scumbag

Your type of people just hate a female being in public. You are misogynists, why I don't know. But since you can't dictate to your government and to the international community about your twisted feelings you want females to be enclosed in covers.

I have a solution for your types. Apple is coming out with a wearable display next year called Apple Glass or so which you can wear on your eyes like a regular spectacles. It has a LIDAR on it. One can have AR ( augmented reality ) imagery in it which can be controlled by apps. You should get Apple to write a special AI-enabled app for you which when senses a female form in front of you will immediately black out her form and present the form as if she is wearing a burqa even if she is not in reality. Problem solved. She doesn't get to wear it but your types get to satisfying your misogynist, anti-harmony and irrational desires.

 

[Areesh]

Your type of people just hate a female being in public. You are misogynists, why I don't know. But since you can't dictate to your government and to the international community about your twisted feelings you want females to be enclosed in covers.

I have a solution for your types. Apple is coming out with a wearable display next year called Apple Glass or so which you can wear on your eyes like a regular spectacles. It has a LIDAR on it. One can have AR ( augmented reality ) imagery in it which can be controlled by apps. You should get Apple to write a special AI-enabled app for you which when senses a female form in front of you will immediately black out her form and present the form as if she is wearing a burqa even if she is not in reality. Problem solved. She doesn't get to wear it but your types get to satisfying your misogynist, anti-harmony and irrational desires.

Let me spell my answer to you

P E R V E R T

Yup that is you. That is exactly you

 

[jamahir]

Let me spell my answer to you

P E R V E R T

Yup that is you. That is exactly you

So I seem to have wasted all those sensible words of mine on a dunderhead like you.

Also,
"Pervert", verb, meaning :
- 2. lead (someone) away from what is considered natural or acceptable.

Now that, Areesh, is your types i.e. mullah CIA agents.

 

[Areesh]

So I seem to have wasted all those sensible words of mine on a dunderhead like you.

Also,
"Pervert", verb, meaning :
- 2. lead (someone) away from what is considered natural or acceptable.

Now that, Areesh, is your types i.e. mullah CIA agents.

Nothing you say is sensible you pervert and a bigot

 

[jamahir]

Nothing you say is sensible you pervert and a bigot

Now don't spoil my morning, mullah CIA agent.

BTW at least a few females like me once in a while.

 

[Areesh]

Now don't spoil my morning, mullah CIA agent.

Go harass some lady in the street you pervert

 

[jamahir]

Go harass some lady in the street you pervert

Well, one or two ladies have "harassed" me on occasion, mein CIA agent.

 

[Areesh]

Well, one or two ladies have "harassed" me on occasion, mein CIA agent.

See. A pervert. Stay away from this pervert everyone

 

[jamahir]

See. A pervert. Stay away from this pervert everyone

Everyone should actually thank you for this laugh this morning.

 

[Areesh]

Everyone should actually thank you for this laugh this morning.

f*ck off clown and don't post in that Gujarat genocide thread again

 

[jamahir]

f*ck off clown and don't post in that Gujarat genocide thread again

Why not ?