Whatever

[Valar.]

The landscape in Chagai

Beautiful . Looks like Mars from some sci fi movie...

 

[Mentee]

The landscape in Chagai

Gold pie

 

[Path-Finder]

I guess that we need to make little amendments; then hopefully it is going to work
regards

its going to sound a little strange maybe shireen mazari can write to twitter

 

[Psychic]

No, those folks felt betrayed as the state of Pakistan made a 180 degree u turn for the sake of its survival wrt to Taliban, who happen to share the same sect - - - - - - -. Do you find people from anyother sect raising arms against the state?

Were the members of any other sect involved in these fightings? Were members of other sects armed and thrown in wars by the state? Did they die like them? Were they thrown in torture cells?

Now coming to Kashmir;
When Musharraf took a U-turn to appease India, which basically was a stab in the back of the entire Kashmiri armed resistance, how could they not feel betrayed?
India was allowed to fence the LoC which effectively choked supply lines, training camps were shut down and leaders of resistance were thrown in dungeons to appease India.

Appeasement of other countries doesn't always mean that we are servicing our national interest. That appeasement policy tightened India's grip on Kashmir and it failed to prevent Indian support to anti-Pak elements in FATA/Baluchistan.

And about WoT, don't say why people feel betrayed when a certain Colonel of the regular army surrendered with 300 men because he thought that the war was unjust.

You don't take 180s, you could've taken 120 or 90. Musharraf had to bow his head down but instead he prostrated infront of the US. Mishandled WoT and Baluchistan, stabbed Kashmir struggle in the back.

Never said that! Read it again.

Sons of soil*

Who by some stroke of luck, are always the religious folk. Even today's struggle for freedom is carried forward by people who are conservative, not seculars.

To be used as tools when govt orders them. Who could be dumped any time.

sect

What have you got against that sect? The same sect is fighting the Indian occupiers in Kashmir, would you now declare them khwarij as well as a show of your sectarian bais?...Or will they be declared khwarij once their use is over?
And I know that by making statements like yours about that sect, some people here have declared the entire sect as khawarij. Go ahead and do that as well, must be very good for unity of the country.

Is there any room for change?

No.
Why so desperate for relations with Isreal? We have relations with all of the other countries, what's so special about them occupiers? Want to open a Mossad den in Islamabad?

I'm not sure what options we had during the aftermath of 9/11 but I think we made the right choice considering we were hard-pressed to make a decision with the Americans threatening to "bomb" us "back to the stone age".

That was the creation of Musharraf's "fertile" mind. No one made that threat.
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6126088
American tone with us post-9/11 was not harsh at all but rather supplicatory. They made a total of around a dozen demands and were expecting that the Pakistanis would accept around 3 or 4 but to their own surprise, Musharraf accepted all of them.
DG ISI was in US at that time, they made requests to him, didn't threaten him or Mush.

And there was no condition to shut down the Kashmiris, that was done to appease India and to turn the LOC into a permanent border which no self-respecting Kashmiri would ever agree upon.
https://dailytimes.com.pk/25377/musharrafs-four-point-formula-the-devil-in-the-details/

The Taliban should have immediately handed Osama over to the Americans. They should have listened to us when we did our best to convince them to hand over Osama and his men. If they had listened to us it would have saved us from being in a complicated situation that we ended up in.

Even if they did that, they would've been invaded.

Also, this "when Hindu Indians do it its evil but when we do it it's okay so best to shut up and obey" is a retarded policy and no wonder it has come to bite us in the @$$ for the last 15-20 years, but hey keep at it I guess

If we continue to perform sajdas in front of USA and India (add Israel to the list) these appeasements will obviously provoke many pious Pakistani Muslims.

Also, this "when Hindu Indians do it its evil but when we do it it's okay so best to shut up and obey" is a retarded policy and no wonder it has come to bite us in the @$$ for the last 15-20 years, but hey keep at it I guessNow certainly some things could have been done differently, but hindsight is twenty-twenty.

People understood those problems, it's not like every one who fought in Kashmir turned against us, these people still live in our cities and are peaceful.

But there are some red lines which musn't be crossed. Like accepting Indian occupation of Kashmir. Like opening Israeli embassy in Islamabad. Obviously there's a limit to which one can go against the wishes of the majority of the Pakistanis.

We know what happened when the precious govt decided to amend the Khatm-e-Nabuwat law. People took to the streets and those people included the common folk. Situation got out of control when police operation started and people started coming out in almost every major city.
Point is that one can't go against the wishes of the majority and get away with it each and every time. Would we like to have a complete shut down of our cities and an internal law and order situation being built up after we accept the state of Israel? We know that using force against own people can lead to situation like Syria.

 

[Path-Finder]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1057557791190073344

 

[Valar.]

This is my part of Pakistan.

Mine too

 

[Desert Fox]

That was the creation of Musharraf's "fertile" mind. No one made that threat.
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6126088
American tone with us post-9/11 was not harsh at all but rather supplicatory. They made a total of around a dozen demands and were expecting that the Pakistanis would accept around 3 or 4 but to their own surprise, Musharraf accepted all of them.
DG ISI was in US at that time, they made requests to him, didn't threaten him or Mush.

And there was no condition to shut down the Kashmiris, that was done to appease India and to turn the LOC into a permanent border which no self-respecting Kashmiri would ever agree upon.
https://dailytimes.com.pk/25377/musharrafs-four-point-formula-the-devil-in-the-details/

Interesting I was not aware of this.

Even if they did that, they would've been invaded.

I wouldn't doubt it. They seemed hell bent on some shock-and-awe military campaign after 9/11

If we continue to perform sajdas in front of USA and India (add Israel to the list) these appeasements will obviously provoke many pious Pakistani Muslims.

True.

People understood those problems, it's not like every one who fought in Kashmir turned against us, these people still live in our cities and are peaceful.

True, most of our army shares the same view.

turn the LOC into a permanent border which no self-respecting Kashmiri would ever agree upon.
https://dailytimes.com.pk/25377/musharrafs-four-point-formula-the-devil-in-the-details/

That's is unfortunate that Musharraf took such a stance. It is 180 degree turn from his previous actions considering his role in Kargil and the back stabbing by Nawaz Sharif.

 

[Path-Finder]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1057938350278094848

 

[VCheng]

Given this:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/twit...fence-forum-without-any-warning-again.584170/

and this:

https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/twitter-rules

If you attempt to evade a permanent suspension by creating new accounts, we will suspend your new accounts.

and this:

https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/14/t...-that-were-trying-to-evade-prior-suspensions/

Twitter announced this afternoon it will begin booting accounts off its service from those who have tried to evade their account suspension. The company says that the accounts in question are users who have been previously suspended on Twitter for their abusive behavior, or for trying to evade a prior suspension. These bad actors have been able to work around Twitter’s attempt to remove them by setting up another account, it seems.

The company says the new wave of suspensions will hit this week and will continue in the weeks ahead, as it’s able to identify others who are “attempting to Tweet following an account suspension.”

surely @WebMaster can see that it might not take an expert to put two and two together.

But luckily, it is not my problem to resolve.

 

[django]

Kudos to @Horus bhai and all the folks running PDF, you folks are an indispensable asset to this noble nation. Keep on exposing these UnGodly swines.

@Path-Finder @Zibago @war&peace @PakSword @BHarwana @Maarkhoor @Burhan Wani @Mentee @Starlord Hazrat @Zarvan

https://twitter.com/x/status/1058033561318629376

https://twitter.com/x/status/1058014102977679361

 

[war&peace]

Kudos to @Horus bhai and all the folks running PDF, you folks are an indispensable asset to this noble nation. Keep on exposing these UnGodly swines.

@Path-Finder @Zibago @war&peace @PakSword @BHarwana @Maarkhoor @Burhan Wani @Mentee @Starlord Hazrat @Zarvan

https://twitter.com/x/status/1058033561318629376

Excellent job done

@django, this is also serious..

https://twitter.com/x/status/1057986914337415169

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I really love this tweet..our uncle @Horus is doing a great job.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1058012704697434113

Sir @django @Horus @MastanKhan @Starlord @CHACHA"G" @Dubious

 

[django]

Excellent job done

@django, this is also serious..

https://twitter.com/x/status/1057986914337415169

​

I really love this tweet..our uncle @Horus is doing a great job.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1058012704697434113

Sir @django @Horus @MastanKhan @Starlord @CHACHA"G" @Dubious

Indeed bhai these RAW swines are working overtime to undermine our cause but glad to know that patriots like @Horus @The Eagle @Slav Defence @WebMaster and many other patriots are counteracting theses swines, this is the reality of fifth gen warfare, it's not only about the man in uniform but the savvy operator behind the screen.Kudos bhai and kudos to team PDF

 

[war&peace]

Indeed bhai these RAW swines are working overtime to undermine our cause but glad to know that patriots like @Horus @The Eagle @Slav Defence @WebMaster and many other patriots are counteracting theses swines, this is the reality of fifth gen warfare, it's not only about the man in uniform but the savvy operator behind the screen.Kudos bhai and kudos to team PDF

Also watch the video I shared.

 

[VCheng]

So how does this data collection help any prosecutions and prevention? Who is going to act on such a collection of data?

 

[PakSword]

Kudos to @Horus bhai and all the folks running PDF, you folks are an indispensable asset to this noble nation. Keep on exposing these UnGodly swines.

@Path-Finder @Zibago @war&peace @PakSword @BHarwana @Maarkhoor @Burhan Wani @Mentee @Starlord Hazrat @Zarvan

https://twitter.com/x/status/1058033561318629376

https://twitter.com/x/status/1058014102977679361

https://twitter.com/x/status/1057530830036369408

Just to tell @Horus that because of PDF, I seldom visit Twitter now..

Thanks for giving us such a nice platform.. Proud to be a Pakistani always..