Whatever

[django]

He doesn't like cats.

So now I know why.

@Nilgiri

 

[Nilgiri]

Interestingly during the early years of the American republic the vote of choosing leaders was strictly limited to those who possessed property (among other criteria) and had knowledge of the direction in which they wanted their country to head towards.

Today of course that is no longer the case in the USA however America has undergone immense changes since it's early existence.

BTW you guys will find this video to be of interest. I have shared this guys videos before on this forum (Cultured Thug). Here he reviews his conversation with Stefan Molyneux:

@Nilgiri @The Sandman

Thanks for this. I do agree with the guy that Stefan comes off as condescending/interruptive/projecting viewpoint and claiming broad ownership on that etc (and trust me its annoyed me quite a bit on a bunch of general Stefan videos too).....but both sides bring up good points if you can filter that Stefanitude out.

In a way they both do agree on a lot, but they get stuck up on the differences, the labels and nuances etc.

Like one classic example I saw about 1/3rd way through is about the healthcare thing. To me I'm fairly in agreement with Stefan on it (naming wise)....the pure free market is really the default putty of society, in essence its the clay we have when there is no authority (hands + direction) at all....in that essence I cannot see it as a tool per se (rather we as society shape it through various interventions, govt and more generally morals, ethics etc). Now it certainly can become a tool (good or bad depends on the long term moulding by many hands), and thats largely when there is authoritarian over and under intervention (and what that constitutes is really the debate). Cultured Thug simply continues using the free market moniker with this clay that has been shaped and contorted a certain way, whereas Stefan generally doesn't (given he is more after why the contortions and shapings and their motives etc rather than assigning the product to be the same as the clay it started with).

Its basically a naming rights issue and Stefan's attitude is silly, and the whole conversation gets stuck there pretty much unfortunately. I mean there is always a fine line between what the state should "handle" for the masses and what the masses themselves should be responsible for and thus equipped for from early age (and thats basically dependent on how society values and reinvests into itself).

Like a full on nanny state could create a mandatory insurance pool for every citizen from time of birth and you can make this cover as many things as you want (accident, cancer etc etc) but then you have to accept inefficiencies created by this by not delegating various things to the masses (like common sense, knowledge and wisdom related to health matters)....i.e where is the boundary for prevention being better than the cure?...it gets blurry when a state owns the whole or large part of the envelope (no matter how hypothetically good it can be at running it). That's why the democratic process hedges the best (i.e results based on input which can be measured and compared), but only when citizenry are well informed, rational and have both their best interests and society interests as main but equal drivers, rather than having it lopsided as one or the other.

The problem with capitalism is that always worms itself into the democratic political process with time and finds a way to create the least resistance to wealth accumulation, which always (given human nature) means the wealthy/powerful getting more so at the expense of others (at best relatively, at worst absolutely). The problem with authoritarianism (good intentions to limit capitalism somehow or even destroy it) is that it doesnt hedge well long term from a practical standpoint and displaces those responsibilities that should be vested at personal level (making everyone reliant on having a perfect leader and govt and then when one is inevitably removed/lost, complete collapse ensues....Communism/Socialism in effect prolongs this unnaturally at practical level, which is why its way worst thing ever politically).

How best to strike the balance? To me it has to start with educated citizenry and full meritocracy on that education....and then go from there (and very few times have we come close to that, and never big enough to really count...so it will be uncharted territory for most part as society if it ever happens, so I dont claim to know how it turns out exactly, probably lot better than this rut we are in though)

Problem is that education is in the control of the govt which restricts the supply, saturates the demand well beyond reason and over-intervenes in a monopolistic way in setting standards and procedures (with the specific intent of continuing the first 2 to ensure perpetuation of govt for govt's sake). At the risk of sounding like a commie (when they say no one really had the true communism so communism never actually failed etc)... the free market that Cultured thug describes simply never even had a chance to get properly established in education ....and its largely because of the way the dull masses are fine with the gluttony they get in exchange for the semblance of stability/malaise society gets. I can't blame the free market per se for it, neither will I suggest authoritarianism will long term fix that (given what it generally does on the ground compared to the theory it starts with much fanfare)....because such cycles come in short spurts and are highly variable in why and how they occur and somewhat unpredictable too.

I do agree that people themselves are responsible for the system they have in play wherever they are....it didn't come out of thin air after all.....the betters (the true leaders he talks about) do come from time to time, and I would imagine they permeate at a certain rate consistently with the population this big now....so maybe with the decentralised education (given the internet etc) picking up, there is a good silver lining for the world in the long run now. Let's see. It will be tough because internet is also perpetuating the vices/gluttony to solidify the groupthink too (given the powers that be that benefit from status quo and status quo tipping in their favour)...I have no idea which is growing faster, and I dont think anyone really does (given no real way to measure that).....but it will be borne out by the fate of this human species in the end.

 

[Zibago]

@Burhan Wani why do you guys block media, either way your people find a way around it and the news which is prevented, still crosses oceans

We dont the govt does

Also I like some Eritrean models.

Only Blacks i find mildly attractive are SOmalian and Eriterians
Its not that i dislike them its just that i dont find them attractive

Overall I am not a fan of the African (esp west african though I did enjoy time with a Nigerian lass) look, but they have their fair selection of hotties as well it must be said....horn of africa, madagascar and southern africa are some notable hot spots that have some good combinations...no coincidence their genetic admixture + historical migration is also most varied of the continent I believe....including in many cases the earliest known DNA base strains.

Yep some Somalian chicks are extremely INTERESTING to look at
I have seen some who could pass as dark skinned south asians. Compared to Bantu Africans they tend to look more how you say FEMININE when compared to Bantu Africans

 

[padamchen]

@padamchen was it yahoo or hotmail? If you don't mind confirming. Because I sent on yahoo today, don't want an unrelated total stranger reading that message and thinking ...... what the duck and who the hell ....

Yahoo

Cheers, Doc

 

[padamchen]

So I assume (the rest of the credentials being the same old famous ones) .......... my message has landed in the right inbox?

Yes your assumption would be corrected provided you used .com

Let me check ...

Cheers, Doc

P.S. Yo. Duck you too

 

[I.R.A]

Yes your assumption would be corrected provided you used .com

Let me check ...

Cheers, Doc

P.S. Yo. Duck you too

Its quite a sight when shrek is happy and laughing.

Well thanks for the confirmation.

 

[jamahir]

abu se suna ye sher. un k kai love letters/postcards mere hath lagay hve hn.

Oh !!

 

[jamahir]

Yeah, he shouldn't have. Because I can safely say you're the bestest of all us tharkis on this forum. Nobody can appreciate women like you do, except maybe for @django (your close rival in this department ).

There are tharkis, then are quality tharkis...the ones that go:

Tujhay dekhta hoon na tere sanam dekhta hoon
main tuo bnanay walay ka qalam dekhta hoon

Aur han, there's a female member who would give you two stiff competitive if she were a guy.

Is it the member @django is reffering to ??

>>Tharki is NOT bad, hirsi is bad. <<

Truth.

 

[I.R.A]

That thread got deleted so posting here ......

Most of us are apprehensive because discussing religion is a banned topic and most of us are not looking for a ban. I'm all for opening the floodgates for discussion regarding all religions but even I know the toxicity that would emanate from the forum. Off the bat, I knew this hellfire is a Hindu with an agenda trying to mislead Muslims with wordplay but the inaccuracies he is posting are too obvious to someone that takes the time to read about Islam.

Chaudhry our whole fight against terrorism is based on counter narrative and proving them how wrongly they have interpreted Islam and Quran. When a non Muslim questions Islam there is no need for us to feel insecure and hyper, Quran is there for all humans and don't worry a bit, it answers all the illogical questions designed to challenge it.

Regarding religious topics being banned here ....... the whole protest and sit ins were religious to begin with, are we only interested in counting the burnt vehicles and injured or are we really looking to fix the root cause?

Let me share with you my own story, last week a dharna supporter invited me to go join him and the dharna in the evening ..... I said yes sir sure thing I would be there before you ..... but only if you could answer me following questions

• What is our real problem with Qadiyanis? The real problem with logic ....
• How is it acceptable for anyone to kill a born Qadiyani .... even if I follow and accept your Murtad logic (I don't agree with capital punishment for apostasy) how is it applicable in case of a born Qadiyani? Isn't that a cold blooded murder of another human?
• Would my blocking the roads / streets, burning the tires / vehicles, breaking the glasses of cars, disturbing a peaceful neighborhood, making already ill patient suffer in the stuck ambulances, spreading garbage ..... be okay in light of Quran?

And before I could ask more questions ...... he stopped and left saying ..... I will get answers to your questions after asking the Ulema ........ there do you see the problem?

The world isn't going to stop at you declaring that it is a sensitive issue for me ...... prepare yourself to answer a knowledgeable atheist with logic ...... people come up with criticism of things mentioned in your holy books (excluding Quran) ..... and we start panicking how to answer them. That is all. See you around.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

That thread got deleted so posting here ......



Chaudhry our whole fight against terrorism is based on counter narrative and proving them how wrongly they have interpreted Islam and Quran. When a non Muslim questions Islam there is no need for us to feel insecure and hyper, Quran is there for all humans and don't worry a bit, it answers all the illogical questions designed to challenge it.

Regarding religious topics being banned here ....... the whole protest and sit ins were religious to begin with, are we only interested in counting the burnt vehicles and injured or are we really looking to fix the root cause?

Let me share with you my own story, last week a dharna supporter invited me to go join him and the dharna in the evening ..... I said yes sir sure thing I would be there before you ..... but only if you could answer me following questions

• What is our real problem with Qadiyanis? The real problem with logic ....
• How is it acceptable for anyone to kill a born Qadiyani .... even if I follow and accept your Murtad logic (I don't agree with capital punishment for apostasy) how is it applicable in case of a born Qadiyani? Isn't that a cold blooded murder of another human?
• Would my blocking the roads / streets, burning the tires / vehicles, breaking the glasses of cars, disturbing a peaceful neighborhood, making already ill patient suffer in the stuck ambulances, spreading garbage ..... be okay in light of Quran?

And before I could ask more questions ...... he stopped and left saying ..... I will get answers to your questions after asking the Ulema ........ there do you see the problem?

The world isn't going to stop at you declaring that it is a sensitive issue for me ...... prepare yourself to answer a knowledgeable atheist with logic ...... people come up with criticism of things mentioned in your holy books (excluding Quran) ..... and we start panicking how to answer them. That is all. See you around.

I was not panicked at all. I had the answers for him and even some of the Ignorant people on the thread. The answers are all there for the Muslims, but I feel at times people second guess themselves. I was not interested in having a debate based on circular logic with that particular atheist because it was apparent he came with his mind made up already. There are very scientific methods for checking validity of hadiths, but I guess I was surprised to see that some were doubting themselves when the answer was so obvious. It is mentioned in the Quran that blood is unclean. Obvious. The prophet himself would urinate sitting down to make sure no drops of urine would drop onto clothes(authentic Hadith). The prophet would also perform wudu after urinating(authentic Hadith).

I guess I was just surprised at some people's ignorance when Islam is a very logical religion.

It's always great to consult scholars when you are unsure about something, but Allah swt has even created a system of cross references for the people

Cheers.

 

[jamahir]

@Mentee , forgot to tag you in this post :

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/whatever.46703/page-4750#post-10045250

 

[Mentee]

although I can't understand the lyrics but this track made me dance for a while hats off to that lil girl

@Signalian @tps77 @MastanKhan @Khafee @Dawood Ibrahim @RealNapster @Hell hound @ulla @fitpOsitive @B+ Dracula @jamahir @Levina @BDforever @Max @Salik @Morse_Code @Maxpane

 

[Reichsmarschall]

https://www.facebook.com/

 

[Tps43]

although I can't understand the lyrics but this track made me dance for a while hats off to that lil girl

@Signalian @tps77 @MastanKhan @Khafee @Dawood Ibrahim @RealNapster @Hell hound @ulla @fitpOsitive @B+ Dracula @jamahir @Levina @BDforever @Max @Salik @Morse_Code @Maxpane

nach mere mentee nach

 

[fitpOsitive]

although I can't understand the lyrics but this track made me dance for a while hats off to that lil girl

@Signalian @tps77 @MastanKhan @Khafee @Dawood Ibrahim @RealNapster @Hell hound @ulla @fitpOsitive @B+ Dracula @jamahir @Levina @BDforever @Max @Salik @Morse_Code @Maxpane