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What should be done to Increase Religious tolerance in Pakistan/ serious Discussion

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please dont use large fonts , it hurts eyes :)

You checked english translation ?? check the original version (in arabic) , the hadith numbers are usually different
How about you post the site you got them from? But back to my question how does this help this thread?

and why should any indian follow that?
because you say so?
It was to save your own hide....Because you lot are repeating 1 thing ...I have answered 3 Indians saying the something....another 2 brought fresh Ideas I thanked them now please stop derailing the thread due to your ego!
 
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It was to save your own hide....Because you lot are repeating 1 thing ...I have answered 3 Indians saying the something....another 2 brought fresh Ideas I thanked them now please stop derailing the thread due to your ego!
okay :D
make religion a private matter.
abolish blashphemy laws.
 
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If it is seriously not tried then it is big issue. Because as true religion is absent in front of them people may assume religion as highlighted by the fundamentalists and soon they will blame religion for their sufferings which is not true. This situation may lead to either extreme fundamentalism or extreme atheism as an antithesis of "so-called religion". Both may destroy the fabric of your society.
That is what most of us are talking about! :tup:
Please do not forget Carvakism( extreme atheist philosophy in Hinduism also called Nastik ) in India emerged as an antithesis of then existing religion rituals which was affecting people.
I dont know what is emerging in India and it would serve no purpose on this thread

okay :D
make religion a private matter.
abolish blashphemy laws.
Repeated again and again blasphemy laws are not really a part of our religion ...I would like to challenge any Indian to prove to me where does it state to kill someone if they disregard your book, prophet or your religion...

Heck Jews and Christians lived at peace during the Islamic era in Muslim countries! I seriously have no idea where "blasphemy" laws came from...It is true Quran says to kill infidels but that is on the battlefield and only if they remove you from your homes or oppress you....And that was an order of a general giving to his army as support not for an everyday housewife or a school teacher to get brainwashed on!
 
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The Arabic language has a number of uniqueness ...1 of which is if you understand the language you can see orders which are general from orders or something that is for that 1 time only...
 
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Repeated again and again blasphemy laws are not really a part of our religion ...I would like to challenge any Indian to prove to me where does it state to kill someone if they disregard your book, prophet or your religion...
:what: it exists in pakistan.and should be done away with.
 
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i never said other religions are false, its just that they were there just for a particular time and they even lost the true teachings..... how can you call a religion true when it has even lost the teaching what were ordered by its founder, can you say that you have everthing saved what was ordered by Jesus or can jews say that they every scripture and orders by Moses saved till now.... but Islam does have almost everthing saved in the form of Hadis and Quran and old scriptures and we have certain ways or exracting the truth even if the religion is Misunderstood or correupted by Mullahs...... do you have....and after all, all three ibrahmic religion are waiting for MESSIAH. but all this is off topic so leave it here and give your sugesstion about topic

you are just trying to avoid giving answer to my question. and i have already given my suggestion about the topic. You can't make Islam tolerant by claiming other religions have lost their "true teachings".
 
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How about you post the site you got them from?

Sahih Bukhari : Book of "The Companions"

See # 19 , it may help


But back to my question how does this help this thread?

We should stop denying historical facts
Shia dont say things which are not in our history books
They may be wrong but are not wrong always
We can tolerate them only if we ever try to understand that what they actually say instead of following blind hate propaganda
 
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:what: it exists in pakistan.and should be done away with.
In all honesty it exists in villages which prob need to be checked...and yes some of us agree it should be abolished as it serves no purpose
 
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believing in something is a belief...I belief alot of things but it doesnt make me act on it....It makes me want to know more about something...
The Quran says other religions were true ...enough to make one question about the adulteration in them! However those religions were for a certain time and for a certain group of people who existed at those times because that was their thinking and that was their laws and customs...

Now if you dont believe in the Quran there is no way I can quote it and make you understand....

oh so you saying in order to understand Quran, I need to believe in it?

i thought it was the opposite you know...You understand first and than decide whether or not to believe in it..!
 
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Hindus should stay away from commenting in this thread!

For the first time. . i agree with u .. . we hindus should stay away from this thread . . its very simple. . . we dont know the ground realities . . we dont know whats happening in Pakistan. . and the most important thing. . our suggestions wont make any difference( even if they are good )

P.S- - irony is. . the ppl who reported my and @Ayush bhai's posts were hell bent to prove themselves right in a thread related to brahmins :enjoy:
 
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Not funny but the truth!

it exists in your constitution
@WebMaster @Aeronaut we have a derailer but I will answer him hopefully it will avoid any further derailing!

The Pakistan Penal Code prohibits blasphemy against any recognised religion, providing penalties ranging from a fine to death. An accusation of blasphemy commonly subjects the accused, police, lawyers, and judges to harassment, threats, and attacks. An accusation is sometimes the prelude to vigilantism and rioting.

By its constitution, the official name of Pakistan is the "Islamic Republic of Pakistan." More than 96% of Pakistan's 167 million citizens (2008) are Muslims. Among countries with a Muslim majority, Pakistan has the strictest anti-blasphemy laws. The first purpose of those laws is to protect Islamic authority. By the constitution (Article 2), Islam is the state religion. By the constitution's Article 31, it is the country's duty to foster the Islamic way of life. By Article 33, it is the country's duty to discourage parochial, racial, tribal, sectarian, and provincial prejudices among the citizens


Several sections of Pakistan's Criminal Code comprise its blasphemy laws. § 295 forbids damaging or defiling a place of worship or a sacred object. § 295-A forbids outraging religious feelings. § 295-B forbids defiling the Quran. § 295-C forbids defaming the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Except for § 295-C, the provisions of § 295 require that an offence be a consequence of the accused's intent. Defiling the Quran merits imprisonment for life. Defaming Muhammad merits death with or without a fine. (See below Sharia.) If a charge is laid under § 295-C, the trial must take place in a Court of Session with a Muslim judge presiding.

§ 298 states:

Whoever, with the deliberate intention of wounding the religious feelings of any person, utters any word or makes any sound in the hearing of that person or makes any gesture in the sight of that person or places any object in the sight of that person, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to one year, or with fine, or with both.

Between 1986 and 2007, Pakistani authorities charged 647 people with blasphemy offences. Fifty percent of these were non-Muslims, who represent only 3% of the national population. No judicial execution for blasphemy has ever occurred in Pakistan, but 20 of those charged were murdered.[5] By 2010, the total number of people charged under these laws had grown to about 1274.

The only law that may be useful in countering misuse of the Blasphemy law is PPC 153 A (a), whoever “by words, either spoken or written, or by signs, or by visible representations or otherwise, promotes or incites, or attempts to promote or incite, on grounds of religion, race, place of birth, residence, language, caste or community or any other ground whatsoever, disharmony or feelings of enmity, hatred or ill-will between different religious, racial, language or regional groups or castes or communities” shall be fined and punished with imprisonment for a term that may extend to five years.

I dont see much wrong with this...Except that they may be misused....It doesnt sign out Islam only but also other religion, race and caste!


wow...you are seriously discussing how to increase religious tolerance in pakistan but don't want minority to be part your discussion .....real serious you are....:disagree::disagree:
You are not a Pakistani minority again read page 1 ....

P.S- - irony is. . the ppl who reported my and @Ayush bhai's posts were hell bent to prove themselves right in a thread related to brahmins :enjoy:
There is hell bent (including leaving the thread) then there is asking you to leave and not leaving!
 
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