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What do you know about killing??

Well, my dad was a corpsman in Nam, he object to the concept of killing.

I never ever see quite clear of what he been thru, but if i am to create carnage just so i can see, imagine try to pick up the piece for all the carnage that different people left over. 24/7...

But the problem is, the military train you to kill, they will not tell you how to deal with the aftermath. Most of the time it's the soldier who come to term with what they have done. And the military would simply stop caring after you discharge. After that, you are the VA problem....

I think that trend is changing. There is now after-care tailored towards these situations. One of my son's friends was in the Special Forces in Afghanistan and received psych evals and counseling after each kill. Now he is another service and doing just fine.
 
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I think that trend is changing. There is now after-care tailored towards these situations. One of my son's friends was in the Special Forces in Afghanistan and received psych evals and counseling after each kill. Now he is another service and doing just fine.
Well, psych eval is supported by virtually nothin....
I have been to one of those group meeting after some major ops, they just provide you with a few session and they sign you back to active roster almost immediately....
Well, then again, maybe my Army Strink is simply just crap.....
 
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Well, psych eval is supported by virtually nothin....
I have been to one of those group meeting after some major ops, they just provide you with a few session and they sign you back to active roster almost immediately....
Well, then again, maybe my Army Strink is simply just crap.....


agreed.

Also your post perfectly question the following .(dont know if its suitable or not to post the bellow. But since the topic co-relate so i am posting it.

One can understand the in a War either you have to kill or get killed if avoid killing BUT does it include the following ?


I am sure these pictures were not taken by IRAQI's and also not leaked by them also. So what drives the soldiers to pass it on??? Anyone please
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Pictures Show U.S. Marines Burning Bodies of Iraqi fightersPosing for pictures with skeletons and even an enemy soldier's remains being eaten by a dog as Pentagon launches probe

The explosive photographs, reportedly taken in Fallujah in 2004, have sparked a Marine Corps investigation
However, many of the 41 shots, obtained by TMZ, are just too grisly to publish.
Two pictures show a Marine pouring gasoline on the enemy remains, another two images show the Iraqi soldiers going up in flames while a fifth picture captures the charred bodies.

U.S. Central Command, which oversees military operations in the Middle East, determined the photos had not been brought to their attention before

By Helen Pow "Daily Mail" - - Shocking images depicting U.S. soldiers burning the bodies of what appear to be Iraqi insurgents, have emerged today.

The explosive photographs, reportedly taken in Fallujah in 2004, have already sparked a Marine Corps investigation, but many of the 41 gag-inducing shots are just too grisly to publish.

Two pictures show a Marine pouring what looks like gasoline on the remains of enemy soldiers and another two images appear to show the remains go up in flames. Two more capture the horrifically charred bodies.



WARNING: EXTREMELY GRAPHIC CONTENT





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Horrific: Shocking images depicting U.S. soldiers burning the bodies of what appear to be Iraqi insurgents, have emerged today


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Burning: The explosive photographs, reportedly taken in Fallujah in 2004, appear to show U.S. soldier pouring gasoline on the bodies of Iraqi insurgents
The sick snaps were exclusively obtained by TMZ, who turned them over to the Pentagon last week, triggering the probe.

According to the website, U.S. Central Command, which is in charge of military operations in the Middle East, reviewed the photos to determine if they had been brought to their attention before.

They determined they had not.

Other horrific pictures show a Marine squatting next to a skull to pose for the camera. His U.S. military uniform is clear, on his face he wears a wide grin and he is pointing his gun at the skeleton.

Another picture shows a soldier rifling through the pockets of the scant remains of an Iraqi soldier.

TMZ said it has withheld the bulk of the images - including one showing a body being eaten by a dog - because they are just too graphic.


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Grim: Many of the 41 gag-inducing shots are just too grisly to publish

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probe: The gruesome images have already sparked a Marine Corps investigation

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Charred: Two more pictures capture the horrifically charred bodies
It reported seeing well over a dozen dead insurgents in total in the heinous pictures, in various states, including some covered in flies.

The Department of Defense said the pictures appear to show U.S. soldiers in violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The code outlines that it is a crime to mishandle remains.

There is no statute of limitations on the crime, which means the Marines can be prosecuted even if they're no longer active in the military. If convicted, the soldiers could go to prison.

'We are aware of photos appearing on TMZ.com that depict individuals in U.S. Marine uniforms burning what appear to be human remains,' Cmdr Bill Speaks, from the Secretary of Defense's office, told MailOnline Wednesday.

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Pentagon: The sick snaps were exclusively obtained by TMZ, who turned them over to the Pentagon last week, triggering the probe

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Posing: Other horrific pictures show a Marine squatting next to a skull to pose for the camera. His U.S. military uniform is clear, on his face he wears a wide grin and he is pointing his gun at the skeleton

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Pickpocket: The Department of Defense said the pictures appear to show U.S. soldiers in violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The code outlines that it is a crime to mishandle remains
'The Marine Corps is currently investigating the veracity of these photos, circumstances involved, and if possible, the identities of the service members involved.

'The findings from this investigation will determine whether we are able to move forward with any investigation into possible wrongdoing.'

Some have suggested the Marines may have been burning the remains as a sanitary measure.

However, Pentagon spokesman Army Col. Steven Warren said the proper handling of war remains is set by U.S. military regulation and that the actions depicted in the photos 'are not what we expect from our service members.'

Cmdr Speaks said the deplorable acts depicted in the images are not representative of the millions of hardworking men and women who have served in the Middle East.

'The actions depicted in these photos are not what we expect from our service members, nor do they represent the honorable and professional service of the more than 2.5 million Americans who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan,' he told MailOnline.

In 2005 report, U.S. soldiers in Gumbad, Afghanistan were investigated for burning the bodies of two enemy fighters.

The men argued they set alight the corpses for hygienic reasons, after local citizens had not retrieved the bodies after 24 hours.

A report concluded that the action indicated poor judgement but was not a war crime.

It stated: 'Based on the criminal investigation, there was no evidence to substantiate the allegation of desecration or any violation of the Law of War. However, there was evidence of poor decision-making and judgment, poor reporting and lack of knowledge and respect for local Afghan customs and tradition.'
 
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@jhungary what you explained is on a soldier level what about on a level where you dont have to see the person you have killed ,
The people who can kill thousands by just inserting a key to launch a Ballistic missile, do you think They would have the same feelings?
 
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falls in same category.

can you stop killing with killing of more civilians ?

The difference is that abuses by US forces, such as the one you posted above, are being actively investigated and will be prosecuted, while those who feign outrage at that are conspicuously silent about Asad's atrocities in Syria.

Selective outrage shows the motives rather than the morality.
 
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Being in the profession i have killed and have seen people get killed. But dont get me wrong, in my defence i must say that i am the kinda guy who had his ankles strained a few times when i tripped off my feet trying to save ants that i was just about to walk over.
My friend these are altogether two different scenarios. In war you have an objective to achieve. To achieve that objective one eliminate all hindrances. Because if it is not done then as a result there will be more catastrophe. E.g. an interceptor engages an intruder to stop the disaster planned by intruder, if not stopped. Only way is to shoot him down. Out of my experience, may be others have a different one; it never occurs to the interceptor that there is a human being sitting inside intruder aircraft. It is an enemy aircraft which is loaded with bombs and if that aircraft is not stopped it will kill a large number of my people. Until, shoot blossoms or the guy sitting inside is transformed to ashes, then realisation of a human being steering it comes.
 
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@Spring Onion
i think they are supposed to burn the bodies to avoid any decomp and contamination. That's what their SOP says.
 
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Not the wars.

Chicken - Kargil mein bhiii beeemar honeiii ka bhanaa banaa liyaa thaaa ! :whistle:

Jokes aside - How are you Xeric Bhai ? :)

If you can tell me something that I've often wondered - Are their instances of suicide within the Pakistan Army because our soldiers can't cope with the fighting & the killing like there are in other armies around the world (those deployed in combat) ? I ask because I couldn't find any mention as such ! :unsure:
 
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Not the wars.

Any kind of ''shooting matches'' at all, against India?

Chicken - Kargil mein bhiii beeemar honeiii ka bhanaa banaa liyaa thaaa ! :whistle:

Jokes aside - How are you Xeric Bhai ? :)

If you can tell me something that I've often wondered - Are their instances of suicide within the Pakistan Army because our soldiers can't cope with the fighting & the killing like there are in other armies around the world (those deployed in combat) ? I ask because I couldn't find any mention as such ! :unsure:

I think I read one such case a few days back. It has to be remembered that suicide is expressly forbidden by their religion, so maybe that has an impact on suicide attempts, as well as such an act getting reported. (I don't know the statistics, I'm only speculating.)
 
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