What China Can Learn From USSR's Fall

[Hafizzz]

The OP should find a News article teaching India what lesson she can learn from the fall of the USSR because it seems to me that India is walking in the same USSR foot step blindly competing with China in an Arms Race. This time China is USA while India is USSR. China is LOADED but India ISN'T.

 

[gambit]

Democracy in a big country will not work - big as both in terms of territory and population.

The US is a good example - US is declining NOT because it has wasted so much money on too many wars, but because of unmanageable regional interests that tear the country apart.

India is another shining example - still poor and uncivilized.

UK is on its way to be ungovernable.

Democracy in small countries work very well, like Switzerland, Norway, South Korea, because there is no such thing as national politics. All politics are regional, localized.

China can never be governed successfully by multiparty democracy. It will not work. However China can make some reform to allow some freedom on local politics, on the provincial level - that is about as high as it could go.

Democracy is overrated. It is not a magic pill that cures all.

That is hilarious. But in a way, it is sad that Canadian edukashun has deteriorated so badly.

The US continued to grow until it covered an entire continent. The diversity of the states, very much regional interests, often collided, most notably the American Civil War, and yet the US is reputed to be the oldest CONTINUOUS democracy in the world.

 

[gambit]

The USSR failed because that evil empire was created after WW II with coerced power. No one wanted to be under Soviet rule. When that evil empire collapsed, the process started from the satellites. China will follow the same pattern only IF Beijing does not respect the opinions of those it ruled over. Inside and out.

 

[bolo]

That is hilarious. But in a way, it is sad that Canadian edukashun has deteriorated so badly.

The US continued to grow until it covered an entire continent. The diversity of the states, very much regional interests, often collided, most notably the American Civil War, and yet the US is reputed to be the oldest CONTINUOUS democracy in the world.

That is hilarious. But in a way, it is sad that Canadian edukashun has deteriorated so badly.

The US continued to grow until it covered an entire continent. The diversity of the states, very much regional interests, often collided, most notably the American Civil War, and yet the US is reputed to be the oldest CONTINUOUS democracy in the world.

US is only 250 years old. from your logic why don't we go back to feudal rule by emperors? That type of hierarchy was around the longest in human history.

 

[gambit]

US is only 250 years old. from your logic why don't we go back to feudal rule by emperors? That type of hierarchy was around the longest in human history.

Because those were not democratic eras?

You missed my point, which was not about how long which system has been around, but about how long a particular democratic country have been a functional democracy. The introduction of democracy does not guarantee prosperity or even stability. But it does guarantee participation for the people. How the people deal with diversity of opinions is up to the maturity of the people.

 

[BigDaddyWatch]

That is hilarious. But in a way, it is sad that Canadian edukashun has deteriorated so badly.

The US continued to grow until it covered an entire continent. The diversity of the states, very much regional interests, often collided, most notably the American Civil War, and yet the US is reputed to be the oldest CONTINUOUS democracy in the world.

Yes, the US has continue to grow from 1776 onward to a continental size country by stealing land from the native Indians through genocide, inslaving black people's and launching wars of agression against its neighbours like Mexico.

 

[BigDaddyWatch]

The USSR failed because that evil empire was created after WW II with coerced power. No one wanted to be under Soviet rule. When that evil empire collapsed, the process started from the satellites. China will follow the same pattern only IF Beijing does not respect the opinions of those it ruled over. Inside and out.

The US never coerced anyone ? The same thing could be said about the US today if the US continue to ignore the opinions and wishes of those it rules inside and outside its borders the US will soon go the way of the USSR.

 

[vostok]

The USSR failed because that evil empire was created after WW II with coerced power. No one wanted to be under Soviet rule. When that evil empire collapsed, the process started from the satellites. China will follow the same pattern only IF Beijing does not respect the opinions of those it ruled over. Inside and out.

Hey, can you there in the West say a single word of truth? Because judging by the cases - the Evil Empire is the United States. As soon as the Soviet Union collapsed you started to bomb all in a row, destroying the entire states.

 

[gambit]

Yes, the US has continue to grow from 1776 onward to a continental size country by stealing land from the native Indians through genocide, inslaving black people's and launching wars of agression against its neighbours like Mexico.

Here is where you are wrong. The Amerinds never claimed any land. Each tribe is nomadic and while they do roam and established quasi territories that are nominally recognized by other tribes, the Amerinds as a whole did not established any country in the political sense. Each tribe violated the others' territory at will. The tribes often warred against each other for prime hunting and camping grounds. And please do not tell me your China never had such in your history.

Anyway...This part of history have nothing to do with the argument about democracy. Try again and with some thoughts next time.

 

[gambit]

Hey, can you there in the West say a single word of truth? Because judging by the cases - the Evil Empire is the United States. As soon as the Soviet Union collapsed you started to bomb all in a row, destroying the entire states.

We did spoke the truth. The big truth: COMMUNISM IS EVIL. The result is that the Soviet Union collapsed.

 

[vostok]

We did spoke the truth. The big truth: COMMUNISM IS EVIL. The result is that the Soviet Union collapsed.

Do you recognize that humanity is evolving ? That feudalism has replaced slavery , capitalism - to replace feudalsm ?
If yes, then you must understand that even after capitalism will be next stages . Socialism , and after it - communism .
The fact that the Soviet Union collapsed, does not mean that mankind is doomed to a standstill or even regress. This has happened before - after the bourgeois revolution followed the restoration of the monarchy. Republic again became feudal states .
USSR just was far ahead of it's time . But it does not mean anything . We'll be back to progress - to socialism.

 

[gambit]

Do you recognize that humanity is evolving ? That feudalism has replaced slavery , capitalism - to replace feudalsm ?
If yes, then you must understand that even after capitalism will be next stages . Socialism , and after it - communism .
The fact that the Soviet Union collapsed, does not mean that mankind is doomed to a standstill or even regress. This has happened before - after the bourgeois revolution followed the restoration of the monarchy. Republic again became feudal states .
USSR just was far ahead of it's time . But it does not mean anything . We'll be back to progress - to socialism.

Do not try Marx with me, kid. I studied and debated Marxism before you were even a sperm cell.

To date, there are only two successful communist societies: The Family and The Monastery. Since you tried to lecture me about Marxism, see if you can figure out why

 

[vostok]

Do not try Marx with me, kid. I studied and debated Marxism before you were even a sperm cell.

To date, there are only two successful communist societies: The Family and The Monastery. Since you tried to lecture me about Marxism, see if you can figure out why

What you attach a negative tags to certain objectivity processes - does not mean that these processes will not occur.
The feudal lords in their times, too, did not want to share power - but had to. Because of objective laws of reality. Capitalists will have to do so, too.
It does not matter your personal opinion. If you jump from the mountain - you die. It's the law. Our universe rests on the observance of certain laws. They are also necessary for the social sciences, both for physical or chemical.
Slavery - feudalism - capitalism - sotialism - communism.
No need to stand in the way of progress. Otherwise, you risk becoming a knight in the world of firearms.

 

[BigDaddyWatch]

Here is where you are wrong. The Amerinds never claimed any land. Each tribe is nomadic and while they do roam and established quasi territories that are nominally recognized by other tribes, the Amerinds as a whole did not established any country in the political sense. Each tribe violated the others' territory at will. The tribes often warred against each other for prime hunting and camping grounds. And please do not tell me your China never had such in your history.

Anyway...This part of history have nothing to do with the argument about democracy. Try again and with some thoughts next time.

Just because these people at the time didn't have a political structure that could be defined as a state you have the right to take their land and kill them off ? And what about the US annexing Hawaii and Texas ? What about the war with Mexico ? That has help enlarge the US. And what about enslaving the black people ? Where are the democratic rights of these people's that America prides itself ? Its all hypocrisy. You drank the kool aid about America.

 

[BigDaddyWatch]

We did spoke the truth. The big truth: COMMUNISM IS EVIL. The result is that the Soviet Union collapsed.

Let me tell you a truth here. America is evil too and will collapse under the weight of its ignorence, hubris and complacency.