An intellectual argument is by default to counter the other.
From your previous post:
"Those who have a history of brutal colonization, enslavement and occupation of other people and their lands, cannot lecture others on what is legitimate and what is not."
Who does not fit the bill? Russians also have similar history:
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This is how Empires expanded in ancient times. There was no such thing as an international body to keep things in check before the World Wars. Human rights movements are a recent phenomenon.
Russia also colonized ancient Alaska and parts of Canada, but sold these lands to US in 1867.
Russia did have colonies in the past. The Russian Empire had several colonies and territories, such as Alaska and parts of Canada, but these were sold to the United States in 1867. In more recent times, the Soviet Union also had a number of satellite states, but these were dissolved with the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991. - ChatGPT.
Those in the West - what these people were up to earlier times is not excused. But an objective take is to look at what these people have learned from their experiences and how they changed in time. How these people treat Muslims in their countries, if this is a criteria. It is important to look at both good and bad decisions and put things in context. This is the correct way to judge any side.
Seriously? And where, pray tell, is your proof?
Zionism was born in Europe by a man named Theodore Herzl, an Austro-Hungarian. The largest supporter of Zionism was the Rothschild family, Mayer Amschel Rothschild was from Frankfurt, Germany. Abraham Benjamin James Rothschild from France, was the largest donor to the Zionist Movement.
That might be the case but Zionist movement gained momentum due to
mistreatment of Jews in Russia when Russian Tsarists were in power - related information including visual evidences
in here. Zionists convinced the British to help create a Jewish state in the promised land in exchange for financial support as noted
in here.
British Empire created modern Palestine by splitting Transjordan in 1922 as per the Balfour Declaration. The rationale behind this partition was to
create a separate Jewish state - this move was approved by League of Nations and Transjordan leadership was onboard. This piece of land was a part of the Ottoman Empire in earlier times and its ownership shifted throughout history. This piece of land have historical, religious, and spiritual significance for Jews from the time of
the Hebrew Conquest of ancient Palestine - then known as the Philistines having created a conglomeration of city-states in the region. Prophet Musa (Moses) AS secured freedom of Hebrews from the ancient Egyptian Empire with guidance of Allah Almighty. Hebrews initially settled in the Sinai Peninsula but Allah Almighty instructed these people to take their chances with the Philistines to ensure their survival - this was the promised land for Jews.
You want to talk about history, okay then. On the 1st May 1960, the Soviet Union shot down a U-2 spy plane, flown out of Peshawar, Pakistan. This was the historical pretext of Western (American) presence in the region of Central Asia, via Pakistan.
Pakistani founding fathers wanted to establish a democratic society and
sought close ties with US. This was a natural tilt due to US being a democratic society.
The U-2 incident was controversial - accepted. But Pakistan was lacking in resources and options to be neutral like India at the time. Pakistan had border disputes with India and Afghanistan - both were close to Soviet Union. Pakistan was looking up to US and China to develop the country and Pakistani military capability. Pakistan also looked at Iran and saw a progressive country under Shah of Iran that was benefiting from American support. This was the situation.
This revelation does not address my point though - that Soviet Union was a troublemaker.
Which countries? You mean like America did in Panama 1989, with Noriega? Or when America invaded Grenada in 1983? Or the American invasion of Haiti in 1994?
Your classic mistake is to equate the Soviet Union to the Russian Federation. The Soviet Union was created by the Atheist Bolshevik Jews, whereas the Russian Federation returned to its Orthodox Christian foundation.
Soviet conflicts:
China (1924) -
border dispute
Japan (1932 - 1941) -
border dispute
Poland (1939) -
invasion
Finland (1939 - 1940) -
invasion
Estonia (1940) -
invasion
Latvia (1940) -
invasion
Lithuania (1940) -
invasion
Romania (1940) -
invasion
Vietnam (1946 - 1954) -
intervention
Korean War (1950 - 1953) -
intervention
Czechoslovakia (1968) -
invasion
Ethopia (1974 - 1990) -
intervention
Angola (1975 - 1991) -
intervention
Afghanistan (1979 - 1989) -
invasion
=> Where is that Russian moral high ground that you were appealing to?
Which lands? Where is your evidence?
Russian conflicts:
Georgia (1991 - 1993) - intervention
Moldova (1992) - intervention
First Chechen War (1994 - 1996) - preventing independence
Second Chechen War (1999 - 2009) - preventing independence
Georgia (2008) -
invasion -
Georgian lands annexed
Ukraine (2014) -
invasion -
Ukrainian lands annexed
Syria (2015 - present) - intervention
Central African Republic (2020 - present) - intervention
Ukraine (2022 - present) -
invasion -
attempt to annex more Ukrainian lands
Russian effort to prevent separatism in Chechnya is understandable - I get this. But the remainder is an attempt to do what Empires had been doing in ancient times.
=> Where is that Russian moral high ground that you were appealing to?
Really? Was it so terrible? All because the West was checkmated in failing to destroy Syria as they did Libya and Iraq. You cannot be serious with your arguments here, as it seems as though you haven't been present on planet earth for the last 20 years.
Right.
Assad regime thought that it was a good idea to export terrorism to Iraq when the latter was at its lowest point:
During the early stages of the U.S. occupation of Iraq, the Syrian regime enabled the transit of radical Sunni Islamist fighters to the country, where they targeted Americans and mostly Iranian-backed Shiites.
Wrongly defining the struggles gripping the Middle East encourages misguided remedies.
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These terrorists came together to establish the notorious Al-Qaeda Network in Iraq (AQI), and this group sparked Shia - Sunni strife in Iraq with its misdeeds.
Iraq’s al-Qaida leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has declared “all-out war” on Shia Muslims in Iraq in response to a US-Iraqi offensive on the town of Tal Afar, according to an audio clip posted on the internet.
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On November 2, Ir
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US-led forces fought and defeated AQI and other Iraqi insurgent groups and managed to stabilize Iraq in 2011. But this was a costly undertaking that claimed many lives in the process.
But Syrian terrorism export services continued. Former Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Ibadi - one of the leading figureheads in fight against ISIL in the Middle East - also pointed out that Syria was exporting terrorism to Iraq:
Our aim is to stop or to control regional conflicts. There is a conflict in the region, there is a huge conflict. You have Saudi Arabia on one side, probably eager to be a leader of the Islamic Sunni world. You have Iran on the other side who is eager to become [the leader of] the Shia Islamic world, or even beyond. You have Turkey, as well, competing for the leadership of the Muslim Sunni world. And here we are having conflict in Yemen, having conflict in Syria, and it’s been extended before to Iraq. In Iraq, we don’t want to be part of this conflict. We are looking after our own interest, and we think we are the victims of this conflict. What happened in Syria impacted us directly.
Look what happened with Daesh when they crossed the borders into Iraq. So, I think we are very eager to stop these regional conflicts. It’s tough. It happens to be we are here, Iraq is here. We cannot move it from the map. We are bordering Turkey, bordering Iran, bordering Saudi Arabia, bordering Jordan, Kuwait, Syria, of course. And we are here, we have to live with our neighbors…
Haider al-Abadi told Americans that the only way to save Iraq is by putting an end to "Syrian terrorism export services." Obama adminstration understood the message and worked with Haider al-Abadi in Iraq and the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) group in Syria to defeat terrorists in the region -
Operation Inherent Resolve.
Both USAF and US Navy could bomb ISIL positions across Iraq and Syria from virtually any direction. This was the only way to defeat ISIL movement because it was able to draw recruits from like all over the world and replenish its ranks otherwise. Have a look at the sheer amount of air strikes on ISIL positions:
Operation Inherent Resolve continued till 2022 in fact.
Syria has paid a hefty price due to decisions of Assad regime. Those who try to burn others, might get burned in return. This is KARMA.
Syrian Civil War broke out
because Assad regime does not respect public sentiments - United Nations (UN) has also pointed out
this fact. Millions of Syrians are displaced and many were forced to flee the country. US provided limited support to Syrian rebels but shifted its focus to dismantle ISIL movement in 2014 (Operation Inherent Resolve). Assad regime would not have lasted a month if US had directed its firepower towards it.
US and Russia reached an understanding on the matter of not toppling Assad regime because ISIL could take advantage of this development.
Let's have a look at the timeline of major developments in the region:
Obama administration withdraw NATO from Iraq = 2011
Syrian Civil War = 2011
US = Operation Inherent Resolve = to counter ISIL movement in Syria = 2014
Russia = Support Assad regime = to counter Syrian rebels = 2015
Israel = Target Iranian supplies to Hezbollah and Assad regime = 2017
Syria does not have good reputation even in the End Times Islamic eschatology - it will be under control of tyrants and will continue to burn.
Those who have a clear mind can see the obvious - can see through layers of propaganda and brainwashing.
Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaparozhe, Kherson and Crimea are incorporated into the Russian Federation. Despite $130 billion in American military aid to Ukraine in the form of weapons, Ukraine has failed to retake any of those territories in the last 18 months. HIMARS are being shot down, Storm Shadows are being shot down, Leapord tanks are being destroyed, Challenger tanks are being destroyed. Tens of hundreds of Javelin and N-Law anti-tank missiles have been captured by the Russians.
Sure, defeat is inevitable!! If you say so!
To those who predicted collapse of Ukrainian forces, I pointed out that this is erroneous assumption on
September 14, 2022 in
here and on
January 24, 2023 in
here. But I had correctly predicted back in
April 14, 2022 that Ukrainian forces will take their chances in Donbas and face heavy resistance in this region:
"It looks like Ukrainian forces will find it difficult to challenge Russian forces in Donbas because its terrain favors mechanized thrusts and Russians still have numbers, Air Power and standoff munitions to throw at Ukrainians for the needful. Ukrainian forces will take their chances nevertheless."
Many were making tall claims as usual, but I was on the mark. At present, Ukrainian forces are keeping Russian forces busy in Bakhmut (diversion) and using this tactic to push through Russian defenses in Zaporizhia oblast.
Have a look at Russian losses in Ukraine:
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Tales of HIMARS and Storm Shadow being shot down are exaggerated and wrong. Russia is unable to prevent strikes in Crimea and even inside Russia. Ukrainian forces have scored hits on Russia S-400 systems, let alone others.
Tanks are easier to engage of-course. Ukrainian Air Force is not equipped to challenge Russian Air Force and provide CAS to Ukrainian formations - this is a weakness that will take time to address.
Nevertheless, Russia has bitten more than it could chew in Ukraine. Russians failed to understand that Joe Biden is a master player and he will checkmate hot headed idiots around the world.
The Lord God has been witnessing Palestine, Afghanistan, Haiti, Grenada, Cuba, Libya, Venezuela, Afghanistan, Yemen, Yugoslavia, Syria, Bikini Islands, Panama, Pakistan, Vietnam, Kashmir, Congo, Serbia, Niger, Armenia, Burkina Faso, Sudan and Somalia. And guess what, HIS punishment is coming upon those who have perpetrated oppression on all those innocent people.
Yes - all are innocent. Only Americans are corrupt in this world. The level of delusion is astounding.
So Russian aggression in Ukraine is a holy war to defeat those who are supposedly heretics? Did an angel reach out to bless Imam Putin in this endeavor?
Seriously, man.
The Noble Qur'an is a Holy Book, only those who side with evil, do not want any mention of the TRUTH.
How about you study it correctly?
Seems that some have not or never will learn from history. Like the Jews who failed to identify Isa Ibn Marium Alaihi Salam as the Messiah. So to there are those who want to be spoon fed, direct words in big neon light pointing Russia is Rüm.
As for Imran Hosein, a man who has dedicated his entire life to cause of Islam. His children bare witness to it, his students bare witness to it, his peers bare witness to it. So neither you or anyone else can discredit a man who has sacrificed so much of his life, dedicated toward the word of Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah. A man who left his well paid and high status job as a diplomat, to go live in Pakistan, to be the Principle of the Institute his teacher built and refused to be paid a salary.
Imran Hosein has analyzed Arab Spring before it happened. His analysis on the Western Financial Model, accurately identified it as Riba when most of the Ulema in the Islamic World were squabbling about Moon Sightings and the deobandi/brelvi/wahhabi nonsense. He is PhD in International Relations and Monetary Economics. He imparted advise to former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Muhammad. He is recognized globally as an intellectual powerhouse.
You have ZERO clue about who Imran Hosein really is. Also, people who are sincere toward Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah, dedicated to the Noble Qur'an and follow Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam ... honestly do not give a damn about what anybody would call "propaganda."
Click on the link below:
I have forgotten but I just asked my mother who some months ago found in my house a booklet that is named "Salah ( The Muslim Prayer )" published by "Syed Khaliq Taufiq & Family" which contains the way of prayer including the physical positions. My mother just now told me a few things but it...
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Russia is NOT Rüm - Allah Almighty pointed out that the Romans (Byzantine Empire) will defeat Persians in war. Allah Almighty pointed out that this Empire might look strong to you but relatively stronger Empires have fallen in ancient times due to corruption. The original Roman Empire was much bigger and stronger than the Byzantine Empire for instance.
One of the reasons for Allah Almighty being displeased with ancient Jews is that they distorted scriptures to draw conclusions that suited their beliefs.
I do not have personal beef with Sheikh Hosein - I have watched his contents and I found some to be informative. But he seems to put Russians on a pedestal and twist revelations in the Holy Quran to create a narrative, which is unbecoming of a supposedly enlightened man. This is rather sad because his research on the wall of Gog and Magog was interesting.
I do not claim to be an Islamic scholar but I have studied Holy Quran to an extent - I am not as ignorant or Westernized as I might sound in my posts here on PDF.
You should check contents of Javed Ahmad Ghamidi. This man is a philosopher and Islamic scholar and he could get to the bottom of controversial issues and provide thought provoking answers.
Western Financial Model is not a religious undertaking. I have working experience in the banking sector. I can tell that the so-called Islamic Banking is not very Islamic to begin with. But what is the alternative that seems to work?
The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) should come up with an alternative financial system that works but.....
Here in Pakistan, people have adopted interest-free borrowing practice but it cannot meet all manner of needs and replace the banking system. Islamic Banking reforms can be possible at most.
You really ought to go study the Noble Quran before making such amateur remarks. Jews not only rejected Isa Alaihi Salam, they made sure the Romans tried to crucify Him. The Jews supported the murder of Prophets Zechariah and Yahya Alaihi Salam, as order by the Wife of Herod.
Ever been to the Lourve? There sits a painting of Salome (wife of Jewish King Herod ll) holding the Head of John the Baptist (Yahya Alaihi Salam) on a platter. As history records, art portrays it, that the wife of King Herod ll, ordered the "Head of John the Baptist on a platter." Where the famous proverb originates from, head on a silver platter.
Buddy, I appreciate the time you took to respond to my post, but it is quite evident that you seriously lack knowledge in the study of history, the study of the Noble Qur'an and the ability to discern between information and the truth. For Truth always comes from Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah and information has always historically been manipulated by corrupt men.
Jewish history is very long and covers a large number of prophets. I am not making excuses for Jewish wrongdoings in ancient times or even in the present. I have studied Holy Quran and have general knowledge.
Islamic history is limited to the last prophet. Holy Prophet (PBUH) established an Islamic civilization that seemed to work but problems began to surface after his death.
The Ridda Wars or the Wars of Apostasy (632-633 CE) were a series of military engagements between the armies of the Rashidun Caliphate (632-661 CE) and the renegade tribes of Arabia. The rebels had...
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Martin Hinds, The Murder of the Caliph 'Uthman, International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 3, No. 4 (Oct., 1972), pp. 450-469
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This Day in World History - October 10 marks a signal date in Islamic history. On that day, Hussein ibn Ali, grandson of the Prophet Muhammad, was defeated and killed at Karbala, in modern Iraq. His death cemented deep and lasting division among Muslims that persist to this day. In Iran, where...
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Ruling elitism began to take hold and became a tradition that was followed in Islamic dynasties to come.
Now look around you - corruption and mischief everywhere. This is not to say that good people do not exist anymore - still do and in all countries. But those in power are too focused on worldly gains to settle conflicts and focus on spirituality.
Elitism = worldly gains.
You think I am corrupt? May Allah Almighty give you better sense. Ameen.
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