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IranZamiin said:
2003 decision to put an halt to the nuclear work was advised/ordered by Ayatollah Khamenei to Khatami. The decision to continue the nuclear work or not is in the hands of Khamenei and the initiatives lies with the negotiating team. But Iran will come out victorious out of these negotiations

Khamenei makes his decision partly based on the feedback he gets from the President and his team.
I think Khamenei accepted to halt the enrichment, because Khatami's team was weak.
What can the Leader do when they don't listen to him, and instead tell him "we CAN'T".
 
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Khamenei makes his decision partly based on the feedback he gets from the President and his team.
I think Khamenei accepted to halt the enrichment, because Khatami's team was weak.
What can the Leader do when they don't listen to him, and instead tell him "we CAN'T".
I disagree. Ayatollah Khamenei is an incredible smart man and has deep understanding of the foreign policy. You think the nuclear negotiators can put some lies together and present to Khamenei and he believes it ?
 
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Brother, are you thinking that in 2 weeks time Iran will immediately put a halt on all its nuclear activities ? we are talking about a step by step approach.

Are you saying Iran should halt all nuclear programs if sanctions are removed in the end? If thats so, West won. They didnt gave anything of their own in return, just removed illegal sanctions. While Iran would have lost all nuclear programs, and part of independence.

But even that losing plan is too optimistic, since nuclear program is just a pretext. After that would follow all other programs (missiles, biological and chemical industries, support for Hezbollah/Hamas, etc. etc), sanctions and threats will be put right back (if they were removed in the first place at all).

Bottom line, either Iran's regime and independence will be gone, or West nails will be cut, there is NO other way. There is no diplomacy or negotiations in these talks, just West pushing for Iran's surrender, and if that wont work - war is coming.
 
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Are you saying Iran should halt all nuclear programs if sanctions are removed in the end? If thats so, West won. They didnt gave anything of their own in return, just removed illegal sanctions. While Iran would have lost all nuclear programs, and part of independence.

But even that losing plan is too optimistic, since nuclear program is just a pretext. After that would follow all other programs (missiles, biological and chemical industries, support for Hezbollah/Hamas, etc. etc), sanctions and threats will be put right back (if they were removed in the first place at all).

Bottom line, either Iran's regime and independence will be gone, or West nails will be cut, there is NO other way. There is no diplomacy or negotiations in these talks, just West pushing for Iran's surrender, and if that wont work - war is coming.
I understand what you mean. And to be honest, my own personal opinion on this is just the same official line by the IR government. Lets hope we hear good news in 2 week time that benefits Iran,its government and ofcourse its people
 
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Are you saying Iran should halt all nuclear programs if sanctions are removed in the end? If thats so, West won. They didnt gave anything of their own in return, just removed illegal sanctions. While Iran would have lost all nuclear programs, and part of independence.

But even that losing plan is too optimistic, since nuclear program is just a pretext. After that would follow all other programs (missiles, biological and chemical industries, support for Hezbollah/Hamas, etc. etc), sanctions and threats will be put right back (if they were removed in the first place at all).

Bottom line, either Iran's regime and independence will be gone, or West nails will be cut, there is NO other way. There is no diplomacy or negotiations in these talks, just West pushing for Iran's surrender, and if that wont work - war is coming.

I fully agree in all with your statement.
 
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From 2009

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iran nuclear talks 'going slowly'

Talks between Iran and world powers on a uranium enrichment deal are making slower-than-expected progress, the head of the UN's nuclear watchdog has said.
Mohamed ElBaradei said "many technical issues" had to be analysed, but insisted they were "moving forward".
The negotiations were stalled for most of Tuesday after Iran said it did not want France to be part of the deal, but briefly resumed late in the evening.
Iran is considering a proposal to send uranium abroad for further enrichment.
This is seen as a way for Iran to get the fuel it needs, while giving guarantees to the West that it will not be used for nuclear weapons.
'Complex process'
Tuesday's talks in Vienna - involving Iran and three of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council, as well as the International Atomic Energy Agency - faltered after the Iranians said they would curb enrichment, something seen by the Western powers as essential, and objected to France's involvement.

All sides eventually returned to the negotiating table for about an hour after the US and Iranian representatives met in Mr ElBaradei's office. Few details of the meetings were released.
Mr ElBaradei, director general of the IAEA, said the talks would resume at 1000 (0800 GMT) on Wednesday.
"I believe we are making progress. It is maybe slower than I expected. But we are moving forward," he told reporters.
He said the process was complex, and involved "many technical issues" as well as "confidence-building guarantees".
The Iranian ambassador to the IAEA, Ali Asghar Soltanieh, meanwhile said the consultations had been "constructive".

Earlier, Iran's Foreign Minister, Manouchehr Mottaki, objected to Paris being part of the enrichment deal because it had reneged on nuclear fuel contracts in the past.
"There is Russia, America... I believe these countries are enough," he said.
"France, based on its shortcomings to fulfil its obligations in the past, is not a trustworthy party to provide fuel for Iran."

Mr Mottaki also reiterated any agreement would not mean the suspension of Tehran's enrichment activities.
"Iran will continue its uranium enrichment. It is not linked to buying fuel from abroad," he said.
"The meetings with world powers, and their behaviour, shows that Iran's right to have peaceful nuclear technology has been accepted by them."
Compromise
The proposed scheme hinges on an arrangement in principle that Western negotiators announced after talks in Geneva earlier this month.
Under it, Russia and France would treat most of Iran's low-enriched uranium and turn it into fuel rods for a research reactor in Tehran.
Diplomats say a compromise is being considered under which Iran would sign a contract with Russia, which would then sub-contract work to France.
Correspondents say the deal would see Iran get the fuel it needs, tacit acknowledgement of its right to enrich uranium, and no new sanctions.
The West would meanwhile get a guarantee that Iran's existing stockpile will not be diverted to make nuclear bombs, they add.
Last month, the revelation of a second uranium enrichment plant in Iran further raised Western fears that Iran was trying to develop nuclear weapons. A nuclear bomb requires highly enriched uranium.
The Iranian government has said it will allow IAEA inspectors into the site, thought to be near the holy city of Qom.
 
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IranZamin said:
I disagree. Ayatollah Khamenei is an incredible smart man and has deep understanding of the foreign policy. You think the nuclear negotiators can put some lies together and present to Khamenei and he believes it ?

No, I didn't say they can fool the leader.
what I mean is that at the end of the day it's the administration that should carry out the job, do the negotiations, manage the nuclear stuff, etc.

If they refrain, what is the leader going to do?
This was the problem at the time of Khatami.
They seems to be doing their own stuff and ignoring what the leader actually wanted them to do regarding the nuclear issue.

The leader knew what was going on, but he didn't want to cause a rift among people by coming out against Khatami, you know. These "reformists" were already causing enough problems.
 
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On a lighter side of the discussion:

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