We Don’t Seek Benevolence, But Don’t Malign us Either – Part I

[VCheng]

IMO working within the current Pakistani power structure to effect change is probably a mistake, unless you have ISI or top Army connections. Grass-roots activity within Pakistan strikes me as nearly impossible since anyone advocating major changes becomes a target of violence.

What is left is for Pakistanis safely outside the country to organize separately, on their own and (in the beginning at least) without significant connections to any existing political structure or power base at home.

That seems plausible but still a long shot, for there not many who fulfill those statements, particularly the last one.

 

[Xeric]

Some more roads by Pakistan Army, whereas haters can feel free to moan over it, all we care about is the smile on FATAian's faces:

Some more:

 

[VCheng]

Some more roads by Pakistan Army, whereas haters can feel free to moan over it, all we care about is the smile on FATAian's faces:

As long as no soldiers were left starving by the ad hoc reallocation of ration stocking funds, I am happy to see the roads being built.

 

[Xeric]

As long as no soldiers were left starving by the ad hoc reallocation of ration stocking funds, I am happy to see the roads being built.

Yes, they were, now what? Dont tell me you are going to shed tears for them...?

Really Cheng, when did you start caring?

 

[Solomon2]

That seems plausible but still a long shot, for there not many who fulfill those statements, particularly the last one.

Not a "long shot" I think, but difficult and probably time consuming. IMO in has to be this way because every party in Pakistan is getting twiddled by either the Pakistani Army or the Taliban and will seek to control an expat movement in the early stages, to save their own necks. So there is no useful route to reform that way.

 

[VCheng]

Yes, they were, now what? Dont tell me you are going to shed tears for them...?

Really Cheng, when did you start caring?

From the day I was born!

I have nothing but the highest respect and admiration for the soldiers.

For their senior officers? No.

Not a "long shot" I think, but difficult and probably time consuming. IMO in has to be this way because every party in Pakistan is getting twiddled by either the Pakistani Army or the Taliban and will seek to control an expat movement in the early stages, to save their own necks. So there is no useful route to reform that way.

Ah, now you begin to appreciate the some of the many reasons for my contention that a solution does not exist under the present set of parameters.

 

[Xeric]

Some more were made to starve so that others can drink and study, only to find out that they had run abroad leaving their kins behind so that they can btch, moan and complain about others getting the same 'assistance' - a job which was to be done by those for whom they have voted for:

Hundreds of water pumps have been installed in FATA for provision of water by Pakistan Army:

A School in FATA constructed by Pakistan Army:

 

[Solomon2]

Ah, now you begin to appreciate the some of the many reasons for my contention that a solution does not exist under the present set of parameters.

All the more reason to throw the table and start afresh.

 

[VCheng]

All the more reason to throw the table and start afresh.

No need, the table is crumbling on its own, slowly but surely. Others just need to be ready to catch all the mess that will create, that is all.

Some more were made to starve so that others can drink and study, only to find out that they had run abroad leaving their kins behind so that they can btch, moan and complain about others getting the same 'assistance' - a job which was to be done by those for whom they have voted for:

Ah yes, exemplary behaviour by the Vice Chair of the TT for others to follow. NOT.

 

[Xeric]

Ah yes, exemplary behaviour by the Vice Chair of the TT for others to follow. NOT.

Awww...did you feel it too...? If so, i apologize, however the statement was made in a more generalized sense.

 

[airmarshal]

IMO working within the current Pakistani power structure to effect change is probably a mistake, unless you have ISI or top Army connections. Grass-roots activity within Pakistan strikes me as nearly impossible since anyone advocating major changes becomes a target of violence.

What is left is for Pakistanis safely outside the country to organize separately, on their own and (in the beginning at least) without significant connections to any existing political structure or power base at home.

And those who want to change the system are constantly ridiculed. The solution to Pakistan problems does not lie in perpetuating the current system. The current system has fiefdoms - military, politicians, bureaucrats. They dont want to change anything. They individually and as group enjoy the privileges this stinking system provides.

 

[VCheng]

Awww...did you feel it too...? If so, i apologize, however the statement was made in a more generalized sense.

Generalized or not, it is still poor form, Sir.

And those who want to change the system are constantly ridiculed. The solution to Pakistan problems does not lie in perpetuating the current system. The current system has fiefdoms - military, politicians, bureaucrats. They dont want to change anything. They individually and as group enjoy the privileges this stinking system provides.

Of course. The system works fabulously well for them. WHY should they change it willingly?

 

[airmarshal]

Generalized or not, it is still poor form, Sir.



Of course. The system works fabulously well for them. WHY should they change it willingly?

you will see if the court forces the generals to be prosecuted, the army will come out more openly. Hasn't it been this army which condoned each and every illegal step their COAS Musharraf took? If you point that out, they would say that army discipline demands they follow their leader but army discipline does allow all illegal and unconstitutional steps because it suits the army then.

Imagine if drones strikes were allowed by a civilian president. He would have been hanged by now. Musharraf allowed drones. he forced himself elected in uniform as the president, which constitution does not allow. He suspended judiciary twice, constitution twice. And then he got the privilege of a guard of honor and being safely escorted to London.

If the generals get so many free passes even after ridiculing the country and the state, why do they expect us to respect them?

 

[VCheng]

you will see if the court forces the generals to be prosecuted, the army will come out more openly. Hasn't it been this army which condoned each and every illegal step their COAS Musharraf took? If you point that out, they would say that army discipline deamnds they follow their leader but army discipline does allow all illegal and unconstitutional steps because it suits the army then.

That is a very big IF, and not very likely.

 

[Solomon2]

No need, the table is crumbling on its own, slowly but surely. Others just need to be ready to catch all the mess that will create, that is all.

If you wait until all that is left are crumbs you won't have a nation to stitch back together but inflammable sawdust that will burn through self-immolation or foreign invasion. If you start now you may be able to give hope to the frustrated and prevent much of that.