We are Jihadis; we have the right to rule

[BDforever]

Yes. Why would you ask? He sent them letters saying they will be safe if they accept him as gods messenger etc etc and convert, and did indeed carry out the threats. Of course god had shown him lights etc in the right direction 'opening those countries'' to him

LMAO he send messager to convert them and give Allah's message, he did not say that if you do not accept that we will attack you. study first then talk

 

[livingdead]

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[jbond197]

Doesn't always work out for everybody the first time. Possibly because they read it with preconceived notions, or they see it from the PoV of an ancient text. Usually best to have someone around to help explain the parts that seem the most confusing.

Why would God's message need humanly intervention to be deciphered? Isn't it,if at all true, supposed to be simple and true for all times?

 

[notsuperstitious]

LMAO he send messager to convert them and give Allah's message, he did not say that if you do not accept that we will attack you. study first then talk

Accept me as the local don and come work for me and if you do you will be safe. If not, pay me protection money and I'll protect you.

Such letters are received by businessmen in Mumbai all the time sent by local mafia gangs. Since you are a believer, this hurts your beliefs and hence you will not see a threat as a threat, hundreds of battles and wars and slaughters and taking children and wives as pleasure slaves for what it is. Your critical thinking has limits.

 

[BDforever]

Accept me as the local don and come work for me and if you do you will be safe. If not, pay me protection money and I'll protect you.

Such letters are received by businessmen in Mumbai all the time sent by local mafia gangs. Since you are a believer, this hurts your beliefs and hence you will not see a threat as a threat, hundreds of battles and wars and slaughters and taking children and wives as pleasure slaves for what it is. Your critical thinking has limits.

LOL , did our prophet asked for protection money ?

 

[notsuperstitious]

LOL , did our prophet asked for protection money ?

Check out the letter I posted for evidence of threat.

Jaziya is protection money, isn't it? I do not expect you to accept obvious facts as that will hurt your deeply held religious feelings, but a non believer is not bound to accept your beliefs as sacrosanct facts. However you may respond with more LOLs.

 

[BDforever]

Check out the letter I posted for evidence of threat.

Jaziya is protection money, isn't it? I do not expect you to accept obvious facts as that will hurt your deeply held religious feelings, but a non believer is not bound to accept your beliefs as sacrosanct facts. However you may respond with more LOLs.

Stop reading in internet. read original

 

[notsuperstitious]

Stop reading in internet. read original

ha ha, ok. That was just one example, there are many many more. All authentic. And that same model behavior of invading other countries, forcing them to convert, taking their women as slaves and breaking their idols was carried out throughout history. This is not a sudden Taliban problem, its always been there, from day 1. Or do you also have a separate set of history books not found on the internet??? Jihadis always had the right to rule.

If you want to address a problem, understand it first. That would require courage.

 

[SQ8]

Why would God's message needs humanly intervention to be deciphered? Isn't it,if at all true, supposed to be simple and true for all times?

Just the same way there are more ways to learn about particular subjects and particular levels. The message is universal, the depth of understanding not. For eg, people will continue to misconstrue the call for Jihad on the battlefield to kill non-Muslims as an order to kill them everywhere. Normally, a person would think and say ok, taht is exactly what is done on the battlefield in the first place. We don't take flowers and give it to the opposing army. That is what is done on the battlefield, however there are others who miss interpret this command and construe that the entire world is a battlefield and regardless or not of whether the call for Jihad has been given by a legitimate government or by a singular madman continue to kill people.. Because that is the level of understanding given to them. So unless, the meaning is explained, interpreted or assisted with by those of understanding... those who are ignorant of the subject matter well interpret it incorrectly

 

[BDforever]

ha ha, ok. That was just one example, there are many many more. All authentic. And that same model behavior of invading other countries, forcing them to convert, taking their women as slaves and breaking their idols was carried out throughout history. This is not a sudden Taliban problem, its always been there, from day 1. Or do you also have a separate set of history books not found on the internet??? Jihadis always had the right to rule.

If you want to address a problem, understand it first. That would require courage.

There is always propaganda by jihadist to show new islamic book or changing the meaning. Do you know when Islam first come in earth ? little knowledge is dangerous, even i heard many people to said Hindus believe in war because their messengers fought many wars, they did not know the cause.

 

[SQ8]

Check out the letter I posted for evidence of threat.

Jaziya is protection money, isn't it? I do not expect you to accept obvious facts as that will hurt your deeply held religious feelings, but a non believer is not bound to accept your beliefs as sacrosanct facts. However you may respond with more LOLs.

No it isnt, it is war tax for those who do not fight alongside Muslims, war bonds so to say..It has no place in case of peace. Please correct your "facts" or admit you are bigoted in your point of view.

 

[Dillinger]

Just the same way there are more ways to learn about particular subjects and particular levels. The message is universal, the depth of understanding not. For eg, people will continue to misconstrue the call for Jihad on the battlefield to kill non-Muslims as an order to kill them everywhere. Normally, a person would think and say ok, taht is exactly what is done on the battlefield in the first place. We don't take flowers and give it to the opposing army. That is what is done on the battlefield, however there are others who miss interpret this command and construe that the entire world is a battlefield and regardless or not of whether the call for Jihad has been given by a legitimate government or by a singular madman continue to kill people.. Because that is the level of understanding given to them. So unless, the meaning is explained, interpreted or assisted with by those of understanding... those who are ignorant of the subject matter well interpret it incorrectly

But sir what of darul al harb and such designations. And if a legitimate state does declare jihad on non-believers is it then acceptable?

 

[notsuperstitious]

No it isnt, it is war tax for those who do not fight alongside Muslims, war bonds so to say..It has no place in case of peace. Please correct your "facts" or admit you are bigoted in your point of view.

Aah the perfect illusive ideal that can be and is interpreted by everyone differently against the thousand year old practice. Then I must be the bigoted one, I admit.

In any case, since the Taliban problem is not a new one, but has been around right from the beginning, then isn't the whole thread useless? Why blame Taliban of today but worship sikandat butshikan and aurangzeeb and name our children timur and thank bakhtiyar khilji (specific to BD section) but then suddenly act all innocent and wonder what is Taliban and it must not be my faith...?

That is a thought limited by childhood indoctrination, bigotry comes later.

 

[SQ8]

But sir what of darul al harb and such designations. And if a legitimate state does declare jihad on non-believers is it then acceptable?

Terms such as dar ul hard, dar ul Islam used to qualify states within the world. These qualifications (just as Third World or conflict zone) were based on a set of particular parameters.. The same way that the view on Kashmir is different between India and Pakistan, the same way these particular designations would apply depending on the interpretation of a Muslim. A Dar ul harb for example is a nation where Muslims are being openly prosecuted, not allowed to practice their religion, or where mass genocide of Muslims is taking place; the Balkans in 1995 is an example or Uzbekistan under Soviet rule. That being said any other interpretations of persecution, oppression or otherwise are up to the individual and by that analogy just as certain states qualify other states as rogue nations based on entire political falsehood, the same can be done with these designations.

If a legitimate state declares Jihad on a non-Muslim state it has to be under these particular conditions. However, these conditions assume that the rulers are just an honest

Aah the perfect illusive ideal that can be and is interpreted by everyone differently against the thousand year old practice. Then I must be the bigoted one, I admit.

In any case, since the Taliban problem is not a new one, but has been around right from the beginning, then isn't the whole thread useless? Why blame Taliban of today but worship sikandat butshikan and aurangzeeb and name our children timur and thank bakhtiyar khilji (specific to BD section) but then suddenly act all innocent and wonder what is Taliban and it must not be my faith...?

That is a thought limited by childhood indoctrination, bigotry comes later.

As I said, bigotry hundreds of conquerors have come and gone the job you is confined to Muslims because that is where the target after bigotry lies. You asked for a definition I give you one but I cannot help if your own indoctrinated mind sees nothing apart from fear and loathing

 

[Dillinger]

Terms such as dar ul hard, dar ul Islam used to qualify states within the world. These qualifications (just as Third World or conflict zone) were based on a set of particular parameters.. The same way that the view on Kashmir is different between India and Pakistan, the same way these particular designations would apply depending on the interpretation of a Muslim. A Dar ul harb for example is a nation where Muslims are being openly prosecuted, not allowed to practice their religion, or where mass genocide of Muslims is taking place; the Balkans in 1995 is an example or Uzbekistan under Soviet rule. That being said any other interpretations of persecution, oppression or otherwise are up to the individual and by that analogy just as certain states qualify other states as rogue nations based on entire political falsehood, the same can be done with these designations.

If a legitimate state declares Jihad on a non-Muslim state it has to be under these particular conditions. However, these conditions assume that the rulers are just an honest

But therein lies the catch sir, if persecution is open to interpretation then it becomes open ended and prone to manipulation similarly how can one ever be sure that the rulers are just and/or honest- since there can never be any true surety with regard to the same- or is it enough that they are perceived to be just and honest by a majority of their subject?