Was Iran an Islamic state before the revolution

[Kaleem.61]

Iran is an old country which turned into Islamic state after a revolution against previous govt. favoring US.

I want to hear from my Iranian fellows: Is it true that Iran was founded on the basis of Islam or it started following Islam after a revolution.

As far as i know: Madina/Saudia was the first state founded on the basis Islam and Pakistan was the second. How do you see this claim.

My opinion is Iran was not an Islamic state neither it was founded on the basis of Islam. But there was an Islamic revolution which threw the previous Government!
And Madina and Pakistan were the only countries/states based on Islamic ideology!

I am open for any correction!

Update:
I know Iran was Persia earlier and was under Muslim rule. It's very very very old. My concern is whether the current or Modern Iran claiming to be Islamic Republic was founded on the basis of Islamic rules or it was not like that!

But I want to know what Iranian say!

 

[Chat SAMOSA]

It was zoroastrian before Islamic invasion. The revolution you mention came much later which switched it from a monarchy to Islamic clergy rule.

As to Pakistan and Medina part - what difference does it make? You were probably born muslim whereas your prophet wasn't. Does it make you any better or him any less in your eyes ?

 

[aryobarzan]

Iranian dynasties are 3000 years old (Persians)..Iran is muslim only 600 years but still ruled by Kings...Iran's form of government became "Islamic" 42 years ago and Iran became a "Republic"..

 

[Maira La]

No it wasn't. Much like China wasn't communist state before CCP took over.

 

[TNT]

Iran was an Islamic nation long before Pakistan existed. Infact Iran was 90℅ sunni majority but then the safavids forcefully converted iran into a 90℅ shia majority within 300 years.
There is a lesson here for those who think Islam was forced in indian subcontinent. If safavids can convert a 90℅ sunni iran to a 90℅ shia iran by force in 300 years then imagine what would have been indian demographics after 1000 years of muslim rule had they forced converted hindus to Islam.
The very fact that hindus are still a vast majority in the subcontinent after a thousand year of muslim rule, shows that religion was never forced upon anyone.

 

[Indos]

What is Islamic state by the way ? Even prophet Muhammad never stated Madinah as Islamic State.

See Madinah Charter, it is basically nation state.

 

[Sinnerman108]

Iran is an old country which turned into Islamic state after a revolution against previous govt. favoring US.

I want to hear from my Iranian fellows: Is it true that Iran was founded on the basis of Islam or it started following Islam after a revolution.

As far as i know: Madina/Saudia was the first state founded on the basis Islam and Pakistan was the second. How do you see this claim.

My opinion is Iran was not an Islamic state neither it was founded on the basis of Islam. But there was an Islamic revolution which threw the previous Government!
And Madina and Pakistan were the only countries/states based on Islamic ideology!

I am open for any correction!

you are talking only about 5% of Iran's history.

Iran is where civilization took shape,
It i older than, and greater than anything else and it still holds fast albeit under a silly mullah regime.

 

[Corruptistan]

you are talking only about 5% of Iran's history.

Iran is where civilization took shape,
It i older than, and greater than anything else and it still holds fast albeit under a silly mullah regime.

Persians were first attested in history merely 2800 years ago by the Semitic Assyrian Empire. An Iranian entity first emerged around that time too.

There are tons of MUCH older civilizations in the Arab world (Iran is a newcomer in this regard) let alone the IVC. Your claims are absolutely hilarious and historically false.

Persia is first attested in Assyrian sources from the third millennium BC in the Old Assyrian form Parahše, designating a region belonging to the Sumerians. The name of this region was adopted by a nomadic ancient Iranian people who migrated to the region in the west and southwest of Lake Urmia, eventually becoming known as "the Persians".[9][37] The ninth-century BC Neo-Assyrian inscription of the Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser III, found at Nimrud, gives it in the Late Assyrian forms Parsua and Parsumaš as a region and a people located in the Zagros Mountains, the latter likely having migrated southward and transferred the name of the region with them to what would become Persis (Persia proper, i.e., modern-day Fars), and that is considered to be the earliest attestation to the ancient Persian people.[38][39][40][41][42]​

Persians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

As far as Islam goes, Islam has had a strong presence in Iran for 1400 years by now. This is more than half of the recorded history of Persians and Iran as a concept.

In fact Islam has a greater historical foothold in Iran than in contemporary Pakistan. The idea of Islam being alien to Iran is absolutely hilarious.

 

[KaiserX]

It would honestly be difficult to consider shias as a part of islam or muslim. Most scholars say that the average layman shia may be considered a muslim for the sake of islamic unity but the Shia ayatollah may not and is considered worse than kafir.

There are many reasons for this, which I dont want to get into but you are free to do your own research.

 

[Corruptistan]

Anyway to answer the question of the thread. Yes. If by Islamic state means that the majority of the population was Muslim and most laws were derived from Islamic laws. So yes, Islam was an Islamic/Muslim state prior to 1979 as well.

It would honestly be difficult to consider shias as a part of islam or muslim. Most scholars say that the average layman shia may be considered a muslim for the sake of islamic unity but the Shia ayatollah may not and is considered worse than kafir.

There are many reasons for this, which I dont want to get into but you are free to do your own research.

Shia Muslims are an integral part of Islam. The oldest Shia communities emerged in the Arab world (what is today KSA) and the Sunni-Shia split is merely internal Arab imperial politics. That and some relatively few theological differences none of which cannot be overcome.

Which respected Islamic scholars claim that Shia Muslims are not Muslims?

 

[Sinnerman108]

Persians were first attested in history merely 2800 years ago by the Semitic Assyrian Empire. An Iranian entity first emerged around that time too.

There are tons of MUCH older civilizations in the Arab world (Iran is a newcomer in this regard) let alone the IVC. Your claims are absolutely hilarious and historically false.

Persia is first attested in Assyrian sources from the third millennium BC in the Old Assyrian form Parahše, designating a region belonging to the Sumerians. The name of this region was adopted by a nomadic ancient Iranian people who migrated to the region in the west and southwest of Lake Urmia, eventually becoming known as "the Persians".[9][37] The ninth-century BC Neo-Assyrian inscription of the Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser III, found at Nimrud, gives it in the Late Assyrian forms Parsua and Parsumaš as a region and a people located in the Zagros Mountains, the latter likely having migrated southward and transferred the name of the region with them to what would become Persis (Persia proper, i.e., modern-day Fars), and that is considered to be the earliest attestation to the ancient Persian people.[38][39][40][41][42]​

Persians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

As far as Islam goes, Islam has had a strong presence in Iran for 1400 years by now. This is more than half of the recorded history of Persians and Iran as a concept.

In fact Islam has a greater historical foothold in Iran than in contemporary Pakistan. The idea of Islam being alien to Iran is absolutely hilarious.

still not willing to study are you ?

 

[Corruptistan]

still not willing to study are you ?

The onus to provide evidence is on the party that makes absurd false claims, not me. What exactly am I supposed to debunk other than what I already posted? Basic common historical knowledge?

Anyway we have people that believe that the earth is flat so whatever floats your boat.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Iran is an old country which turned into Islamic state after a revolution against previous govt. favoring US.

I want to hear from my Iranian fellows: Is it true that Iran was founded on the basis of Islam or it started following Islam after a revolution.

As far as i know: Madina/Saudia was the first state founded on the basis Islam and Pakistan was the second. How do you see this claim.

My opinion is Iran was not an Islamic state neither it was founded on the basis of Islam. But there was an Islamic revolution which threw the previous Government!
And Madina and Pakistan were the only countries/states based on Islamic ideology!

I am open for any correction!

We all gave up pagan religions for Islam. Pre-Islamic history is irrelevent. We are all now part of nation of Islam.

 

[SaadH]

We all gave up pagan religions for Islam. Pre-Islamic history is irrelevent. We are all now part of nation of Islam.

In Pakistan, 90% of our religious practices are still pagan wrapped in the "green" islamic wrap, otherwise in essence we are still practicing Hinduism.

 

[Maula Jatt]

We all gave up pagan religions for Islam. Pre-Islamic history is irrelevent. We are all now part of nation of Islam.

That's what excessive inbreeding does to a man