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Vikramditya & the IAC Vikrant Threat To Pakistan Waters

so when will u attack on us
we already have anti-ship missiles
and i future Chinese will take control gawader
i wish india will deploy carriers near pakistan

So much trust on your anti ship missile. Many variables need to be considered and factor those in and it is not so easy. When situation demands sure it would be put to use but lets pray that day never comes. A basic objective of procuring such platforms is to deter the enemy form doing any misadventure. So in a way you could see it as a platform which deters the enemy attacking. And at the end of the day isn't it the only thing we want - PEACE. So dont wish for something that could be harmful for the whole region.
 
Sure whatever keeps you happy day dreaming, those weapons are specifically being developed to take out ships/ACs out of service "temporarily out of war". Every piece of equipment has its drawbacks and vulnerabilities, ACs are not invincible. You should focus indian ACs not US ACs you would actually be deploying close to Pakistan Area of interests you are mistaken that nothing would come close or touch it that is why PN is considerably investing in smart low costs Anti-Ship weapons including CM-AKG and their further development, they are not being developed to sink fishing boats. Again I would not be so stupid to underestimate such weapons and their use. It is important to understand "Carrier Killer" weapons are developed-tested keeping in mind ACs and ships alike. You are going to enter or come close to the Area of interests heavily protected and you would think it is piece of cake to just sit in there...expect resistance and target, I would also suggest this is not 1971 this is 2013+ you are going to see new and improved weapons over time CM-AKG is just tip of the ice berg. I read you post and all I can get from you post is in simply indian assets are invincible, you are dead wrong though. @AhaseebA comments.

NOPE, this is 2013; but a phallic symbol does not become a much-hyped "Carrier Killer" because of that.
As I said earlier; take a look at the explanation offered by @Oscar; if the questions that I raised are unable to provoke you to think further. 
Will just ask/try and buy the DF 21 ASBM, with its long range it will keep the Indian AC far away from Pakistani shore for them to be effective..

Another simple-minded Farmer John appears. :D
ASBM--------indeed?
 
I think the only carriers that have ever been sunk have occurred in World War 2 and that was by air strikes ...

Cruise missles i think may and can sink a 4000 tonne frigate

But a 40,000 tonne carrier packed with MIG29K awacs helo support & anti missle systems & SAMS will be a tall order.

This TALL ORDER become more difficult when you consider the following

BBC News - India launches first defence satellite GSAT-7

Dedicated Naval satalite operrational; since August 2013 GSTAT 7

The carriers at present will be protected by upto 5 of the following types with one support ship


The Indian Navy's CBG usually consists of two destroyers (usually of the Delhi class, previously Kashins were used) and two or more frigates, (usually a combination of Brahmaputra, Talwar or Shivalik classes) and one support ship.[citation needed]

Personally if i was Advising Pakistani Response i would get 2 Sqds of 36 J11 flankers
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Vinod

The carriers are coming to protect indian shipping lanes for the next 30 years+

But lets not kid ourselves

Both Vikramditya & Vikrant from 2017 onwarsds CAN and will play a role in any war/ conflict or rising tension in the future if it occurred. If that war happens to be with Pakistan WE will not see india say oh sorry you where not acquired for use against Pakistan.

FOR THIS REASON it is prudent for Pak Military especially Navy to plan for such a scenario.

For all we KNOW they may have the answer already
 
Exactly, Pakistan already phase a high risk from non AC warships of India. To attack pakistan, Indian planes do not require to fly from AC. So I do not think that India's AC has significantly increased any threat to Pakistan or Pakistan navy. I believe that most threatening part to PN shall be Brahmos mounted on MKIs. Once fired on PN ship, it will be very difficult for the ships to survive.



In-fact IMO, we will use these 2 AC's only to launch deep strikes into pakistan (In case of full scale war) from the least secured border of Baluchistan on Iranian Border.

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If you look at the map above, then you can realize that these AC's will give us Unique edge in case we plan to attack pakistan from two sides, without even worrying about Mid-Air Refueling of Fighter jets. In-fact we can simultaneously launch coordinated Air Offense from both Arabian sea (INAF , 60+ Fighter Jets)and mainland India (IAF).

And a coordinated offense from east and south will surprise the PAF with Already scattered resources.This is the only scenario i can think of about our Ac's getting used against PN, other-then that our surface fleet of western command is enough for one on one fight considering the current strength of PN.



@Abingdonboy @Dillinger @Vinod2070 @Capt.Popeye

Your views on above scenario ?
 
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Time to ask the Chinese for DF-21 ASBM seeker and guidance technology. :partay:
 
NOPE, this is 2013; but a phallic symbol does not become a much-hyped "Carrier Killer" because of that.
As I said earlier; take a look at the explanation offered by @Oscar; if the questions that I raised are unable to provoke you to think further. 


Another simple-minded Farmer John appears. :D
ASBM--------indeed?
An elite member attack the messenger and ignore what posted. :suicide:
 
why don't you guys negotiate and settle things with us. These 'threats' will suddenly look irrelevant.
 
so when will u attack on us
we already have anti-ship missiles
and i future Chinese will take control gawader
i wish india will deploy carriers near pakistan

So you have pride and glad to see that one of your port in your soil is controlled by another foriegn country like china ,that good really good:coffee:.Wish you Good luck pakistan.
 
what are the advantages of mig 29k?How can our rivals counter these fighter jets?
 
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Yup, two of these on the front. Two on the back, this will have four OTO Melara 76 mms on it.

Hmm, I had absolutely NO idea the IN was thinking about putting these weapons on their warships! If true this is absolutely GREAT news, such an advanced and useful self-protection asset.

But will they be the Strales system? Ie with this automation and dart/illumination tracking or just regular OTO Melare 76s as on the Shivlaik class?


@sancho, @Dillinger is this really true? Haven't seen/heard anything on this. 
 
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India’s Muddled Carrier Plans
By Robert Farley
July 10, 2013

At long last, the delivery of INS Vikramaditya, the former Russian Admiral Gorshkov finally appears imminent. Vikramaditya is currently undergoing sea trials with a mixed Russian-Indian crew, and a transfer to Indian service is scheduled for the autumn. The delivery comes several years late, but still perhaps in time for the Indian Navy to use the carrier as a test-bed for INS Vikrant, its first indigenous carrier, scheduled for commissioning in 2018.

However, while the delayed delivery of Vikramaditya has surely proven problematic for the Indian Navy, the program has an altogether broader set of problems. Unlike the PLAN, the Indian Navy has a long history of carrier operations, running from the Majestic class INS Vikrant to the former Centaur class INS Viraat.

But India’s carrier heritage may be less of an asset than it seems. India doesn’t appear interested in achieving greater efficiency in many areas— even in terms of common training and operational procedures— with this path of carrier fleet development.

With the arrival of Vikramaditya, the Indian Navy will be flying new aircraft off of a new carrier of largely unfamiliar design. Although the Indian Navy has experience with both carriers and with Russian vessels, its previous carriers have been of British design, and it has never operated a ship this large.

Furthermore, no Kiev class carrier has been put to sea in an operational sense since the early 1990s, and the modifications to Vikramaditya make her a virtually new vessel in any case. Even after delivery, Vikramaditya will require considerable practice and time to become an effective, operational unit. The MiG-29K is also relatively new to carrier operations, with the first aircraft entering service in 2011.

Operational tempo in Russian service has thus far been slow, meaning that many of the kinks with the carrier-based version of the veteran fighter will have to be worked out in Indian service. If India follows through on plans to build INS Vishal as a CATOBAR carrier, the Navy will again have to learn an entirely new set of procedures, presumably with a new generation of aircraft, in the next decade.

The most interesting points to watch will be Indian collaboration with other carrier-operating navies. The obvious candidate is Russia, but Russia owns only one carrier, which operates at a relatively low temp and may shortly re-enter a prolonged refurbishment period. The only other navy to operate a similar carrier will, ironically, be the PLAN, which is unlikely to share many of its developing operational procedures with the Indian Navy.

The risk of duplication of effort can surely be overstated; some of the tacit knowledge of naval aviation operations will carry over from the STOVL Viraat to the STOBAR Vikramaditya and Vikrant to the CATOBAR Vishal. However, “knowledge efficiency” and modularity do not appear to be strongly valued by the Indian Navy; beginning in 2018, it will operate three carriers of radically different age, design, and capability, and will likely maintain that state of affairs into the medium term (even after Vishal replaces Viraat).

Source:© 2013 The Diplomat. All Rights Reserved
 
Hmm, I had absolutely NO idea the IN was thinking about putting these weapons on their warships! If true this is absolutely GREAT news, such an advanced and useful self-protection asset.

But will they be the Strales system? Ie with this automation and dart/illumination tracking or just regular OTO Melare 76s as on the Shivlaik class?


@sancho, @Dillinger is this really true? Haven't seen/heard anything on this. 

No real idea at the moment, if it is indeed the Strales though then it will be a beneficial addition specially against sea-skimmers which may need to be engaged up close and within a limited interception envelope. The Strales would also open up certain future opportunities (more on that later)...lets see.
 
In-fact IMO, we will use these 2 AC's only to launch deep strikes into pakistan (In case of full scale war) from the least secured border of Baluchistan on Iranian Border.

Pakistan-Coastline.jpg


If you look at the map above, then you can realize that these AC's will give us Unique edge in case we plan to attack pakistan from two sides, without even worrying about Mid-Air Refueling of Fighter jets. In-fact we can simultaneously launch coordinated Air Offense from both Arabian sea (INAF , 60+ Fighter Jets)and mainland India (IAF).

And a coordinated offense from east and south will surprise the PAF with Already scattered resources.This is the only scenario i can think of about our Ac's getting used against PN, other-then that our surface fleet of western command is enough for one on one fight considering the current strength of PN.



@Abingdonboy @Dillinger @Vinod2070 @Capt.Popeye

Your views on above scenario ?


Interesting picture and scenario sketched out there..........hehehe.
For starters; something was alluded to by @Oscar elsewhere on another thread; I was impressed by his prescience (though it was in just a phrase or just two words). So I'd like to invite his views.
Much better than the "tu-tu, main-main" that is so rife otherwise.
 
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