Vietnam welcomes China's military development: Vietnamese defense official

[CardSharp]

Shouldn't that be the drive for them to expand in search of more "living space for the master race"?

On a serious note I think that our opinions differ regarding Vietnam's economical developments (a half empty half full argument). You see that Vietnam is impoverished due to decades of war and lags behind all of her neighbors while I see that the Vietnamese (unlike the North Koreans) are on the right track and has tremendous growth potentials. The PRC was equally impoverished about 30 years ago and just look how far we've come.

I think both of us missed a major point that could be the decisive advantage for the Vietnamese in the South China Sea conflict. Although they probably can't depend on the Americans for military assistance we have to keep in mind that Western media is already working in favor for them. Look up any newspaper article on the South China Sea contention and you will see journalists labeling the Chinese as the aggressors, despite the fact that China had the historic claim of these islands. The Vietnamese is backed by world opinion at this stage. We must convince the world otherwise or we'll really be the "invaders" in a future conflict.

Oh I think we agree far more than we disagree. I am also bullish on Vietnam. They have a very good work ethnic and are moving towards good economic reforms. My point was only that they started on the "right" track much later than the others in the area.

Also I wouldn't care too much about western opinion when local opinion is against them


http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...ys-us-not-needed-south-china-sea-dispute.html

 

[somebozo]

Some good chinese spanking put all trouble makers of south china sea back in order. A chinese firm together with Saudi joint stock company is building a massive steel factory in Vietnam. Saudis are very pro-china these days and a little prospect into job oppurtunities created for vietnamese can out all rebellion into order.

 

[Nomenclature]

Vietnam will not go into an full alliance with the U.S. against China. They made the mistake with the Soviets once and when China attacked them U.S.S.R just stood there and watched.

After seeing how the West recently turned their back on Georgia, the Vietnamese would be stupid to believe the U.S will actually come to their aid over South China Sea. Can you honestly imagine an U.S president telling the nation he's going to fight a war with China to protect a few uninhibited rocks occupied by another communist country?

There's also the reality China remains the biggest investor in Vietnam, and a huge part of Vietnam's plan for economic development involves economic integration with Southern China. BTW, Vietnam currently has a GDP of about 90 billion dollars comparing to China's 5 trillion.

The Achilles heel of U.S. engagement with Southeast Asia is economic engagement. U.S's absence during the recent ASEAN+Partners commerce ministers meeting is very telling after the high profile U.S involvement in the defense meeting. And it's certainly not lost on Southeast Asian countries. America is interested in building ASEAN militaries to counter China, but it's not interested in, say, a free trade agreement with ASEAN.

Vietnam's best bet is to play the U.S and China against each other, like what North Korea did with China and U.S.S.R during the Cold War. In fact that's probably the strategy of ASEAN as a whole as well.

 

[below_freezing]

Shouldn't that be the drive for them to expand in search of more "living space for the master race"?

On a serious note I think that our opinions differ regarding Vietnam's economical developments (a half empty half full argument). You see that Vietnam is impoverished due to decades of war and lags behind all of her neighbors while I see that the Vietnamese (unlike the North Koreans) are on the right track and has tremendous growth potentials. The PRC was equally impoverished about 30 years ago and just look how far we've come.

I think both of us missed a major point that could be the decisive advantage for the Vietnamese in the South China Sea conflict. Although they probably can't depend on the Americans for military assistance we have to keep in mind that Western media is already working in favor for them. Look up any newspaper article on the South China Sea contention and you will see journalists labeling the Chinese as the aggressors, despite the fact that China had the historic claim of these islands. The Vietnamese is backed by world opinion at this stage. We must convince the world otherwise or we'll really be the "invaders" in a future conflict.

Keep a few things in mind: China synthesized insulin, the first ever chemical synthesis of a natural hormone, in 1959. That was 10 years after a devastating civil war, and a major achievement in biochemistry not less than the discovery of DNA. We made our first nuclear submarine in 1971, 22 years after the establishment of the republic. We created the first ever genetically modified rice in 1974.

30 years ago we were impoverished in terms of money, but in terms of technology, 30 years ago we were already far ahead of vietnam in 2010.

Vietnam is now in its 35th year. It has made zero contributions to modern science, nor has it shown exceptional engineering feats. Poverty, being beaten down by the US Army and then having the top 1% rich elite taken to the US does hurt, but it doesn't explain everything. The fact is, Vietnam can never replicate our growth model because we've already overshadowed anyone else that tries to take our model, since we can do it better and in more places.

 

[gambit]

The Vietnamese lost 3 million of their countrymen during the Vietnam War. Any Vietnamese, as long as he/she is not a "banana", will not forgive the U.S. for what she did.

Unless you either live in VN or travels there frequently and can relate to the people, try not to talk such nonsense. Currently, official estimates have that over %50 of the population are post war borne. Unofficial estimates have over %60. The current VNmese generation have no emotional ties with the war and is even less friendly to the corrupt, inefficient, and dictatorial communist government. The young VNmese today want American involvement after they suffered the spectacular failures of their communist ancestors. By your standard, guess you just called the millions of VNmese adults, who are aspiring capitalists and US friendly, as 'bananas'.

 

[CardSharp]

Oh god and here was me hoping this troll would sit one out.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

The current VNmese generation have no emotional ties with the war and is even less friendly to the corrupt, inefficient, and dictatorial communist government.

How do you know that?

And if what you say is true, then why haven't they overthrown their government yet?

 

[CardSharp]

Keep a few things in mind: China synthesized insulin, the first ever chemical synthesis of a natural hormone, in 1959. That was 10 years after a devastating civil war, and a major achievement in biochemistry not less than the discovery of DNA. We made our first nuclear submarine in 1971, 22 years after the establishment of the republic. We created the first ever genetically modified rice in 1974.

30 years ago we were impoverished in terms of money, but in terms of technology, 30 years ago we were already far ahead of vietnam in 2010.

Vietnam is now in its 35th year. It has made zero contributions to modern science, nor has it shown exceptional engineering feats. Poverty, being beaten down by the US Army and then having the top 1% rich elite taken to the US does hurt, but it doesn't explain everything. The fact is, Vietnam can never replicate our growth model because we've already overshadowed anyone else that tries to take our model, since we can do it better and in more places.

Not exactly correct or an objective picture but I won't argue except to say I think Vietnam has the potential mimic China's manufacturing success. + A prosperous is actually good for China if its political ambitions can be balanced.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

some people are just too"faithful"

ontopic
Vietnam is performing the balancing act,or atleast thats what they want their Chinese & American peers to believe so......

 

[gambit]

Oh god and here was me hoping this troll would sit one out.

Considering you know next to nothing about Viet Nam, may the troll here is YOU.

 

[gambit]

How do you know that?

Because I talk to my fellow Viets, here in the US and back in Viet Nam.

And if what you say is true, then why haven't they overthrown their government yet?

Because there is no need for a violent revolution. The 'old guards' are dying. Communism is proven to be a spectacular failure. Just like China, the communism in Viet Nam is in name only.

 

[gpit]

China's neighbors are afraid of its aggression and dictatorship so balance of power is the only solution. That's why they are going for USA and India for cooperation.

Oh yeah? Going for India?

Are you serious?

Remind my friend, your “cooperative" India resolves NO land dispute with any of your neighbors, but China, a country with most immediate neighbors in the world, resolves ALL land disputes with all its neighbors except India.

So, stop self-entertaining....

 

[Brotherhood]

Because I talk to my fellow Viets, here in the US and back in Viet Nam.

Because there is no need for a violent revolution. The 'old guards' are dying. Communism is proven to be a spectacular failure. Just like China, the communism in Viet Nam is in name only.

Yeah, i am sure vietnamese be interesting in talking to "Traitor" now a days and welcoming you back with open arms, dream on!!
Yawn, same old garbage propaganda= annoying and boring

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Oh yeah? Going for India?

Are you serious?

Remind my friend, your “cooperative" India resolves NO land dispute with any of your neighbors, but China, a country with most immediate neighbors in the world, resolves ALL land disputes with all its neighbors except India.

So, stop self-entertaining....

Er............According to a Chinese news source,yes!

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印度越南合作拟在南海建航母基地 合力对付中国

Vietnam,India building aircraft carrier

Also,why would Vietnam give a BS about our border disputes,when it has none with us?

PS:is NFdaily a reliable source?

 

[CardSharp]

Let's stay on topic please. Vietnam and the South China sea situation with US and China.