Vietnam protests China's military exercise in South China Sea

[faithfulguy]

China lost the war with Vietnam in 1979 because it failed to achieve its political objective. The reason for going to war. The reason was to force Vietnam to pull out of Cambodia. The war didn't achieve its objective. Vietnam was able to maintain its puppet government in Cambodia after expelled khmer Rouge.
The actual casualty count does not really matter as wars are never conducted for tactical reason or with tactical goals. Even if China suffers 10 times less casualty than Vietnam, China lost the war as it was not able to force Vietnam to withdraw from Cambodia.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

China lost the war with Vietnam in 1979 because it failed to achieve its political objective. The reason for going to war. The reason was to force Vietnam to pull out of Cambodia. The war didn't achieve its objective. Vietnam was able to maintain its puppet government in Cambodia after expelled khmer Rouge.
The actual casualty count does not really matter as wars are never conducted for tactical reason or with tactical goals. Even if China suffers 10 times less casualty than Vietnam, China lost the war as it was not able to force Vietnam to withdraw from Cambodia.

Fine by that logic America has lost at least half its wars then.

Look it was a military victory and people were suggesting that it was not.

Politically it wasn't a disaster as you would think it was.

 

[ephone]

First, aircrafts were not used in 1979 border conflict.

Second, your supposed defense were all crashed and our army has already wiped out those areas already. There were only plain lied ahead and your capital was there to catch.

However, it was never our goal to invade vietnam but teach you a lesson.

Talking about vietnam's success is really ridiculous.

From 1979 onwards, China has started growing average 10% for more than 30 years. How about vietnam? For more than 10 years, vietnam stayed there busying dealing with China while China just rotated its military regions along the border. I do not think you have that much a development. Only one day your idiotic government realized that vietnam cannot fight China and send your leader to Beijing to ask for relationship normalization and withdrew from Cambodia, vietnam then started growing.

So after several years growing, you forget your pain again. Well, if you wanted to get another lesson from us by not behaving yourself, we will surely offer you that. Maybe you want another 10 years to remain stuck for not growing at all???

Please..your goal was to march to Hanoi in the same day that you launched the war..but you failed miserably. At the 17th or 18th day your troops were still got stuck at Cao Bang and Langson. Vietnam taught China a good lesson of overestimating yourself and underestimating us. And now you want talk about occupy Vietnam in less than a month.

Modern warfare needs air superiority to successfully invade a country. Let's take a look at Iraq for example. The U.S and its allies combined outnumbered the Iraq's airforce 1500 to 0 in term of modern aircraft, yet it took the allies like almost a month to control the sky. (Iraq did not even have S-300 like Vietnam). Add that to the fact Iraq is nothing but a desert, meaning nothing can be hide to conceal from the sky.

China at the very best outnumbered Vietnam 10 to 1 in in term of modern combat aircrafts. Add that to the fact that the terrain of Vietnam is densly mountain and jungle,meaning our defense position can be easily hide and conceal. Air superiority over Vietnam in less than a month? Get out the here along with 50% of your airforce.

And Vietnam never had a dream of Indochina nation dream so talking out of the blue does nothing to save your face. Vietnam did not attach Cambodia until 3 years after the Khmer Rouge keep launching attack on Vietnam.

 

[CardSharp]

1979 showed the Vietnamese, that the Soviets won't lift a finger to help them in the event of a war with China. The Soviet Vietnamese alliance was a moot point after 1979 and that was probably worth more than getting the Vietnamese out of Cambodia.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

1979 showed the Vietnamese, that the Soviets won't lift a finger to help them in the event of a war with China. That was worth more than getting the Vietnamese out of Cambodia. The Soviet Vietnamese alliance was a moot point after 1979.

Off topic but have you seen my new videos on Chinese sniper training?

 

[CardSharp]

I have a chapter on the Sino-Vietnamese war in a military historical journal that I could share if people are interested in this episode of history.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

I have a chapter on the Sino-Vietnamese war in a military historical journal that I could share if people are interested in this episode of history.

Sure go ahead and start a new thread.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

I have a chapter on the Sino-Vietnamese war in a military historical journal that I could share if people are interested in this episode of history.

Dont, it will lead to trolling.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

Dont, it will lead to trolling.

Well then we might as well not start any threads. There will always be trolls.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Well then we might as well not start any threads. There will always be trolls.

Thats cool too..

 

[tanlixiang28776]

Thats cool too..

We will if you will

 

[GodlessBastard]

1979 showed the Vietnamese, that the Soviets won't lift a finger to help them in the event of a war with China. The Soviet Vietnamese alliance was a moot point after 1979 and that was probably worth more than getting the Vietnamese out of Cambodia.

Soviets didn't intervene because there was no need to intervene. Vietnam handled the war fine by itself, considering most of the regular Vietnamese Army units were stationed in Cambodia at the time, and the PLA mostly faced local militia.

As for the Soviet-Viet alliance, the largest overseas Soviet military base during the Cold War was at Camh Ranh Bay in Vietnam (I personally know a guy who was stationed there as part of a Tu-16 crew). The Soviet presence there was very important in limiting Chinese influence in Southeast Asia.

 

[scuthan]

march to Hanoi? it that what you learn from school? LOL! when china acquired Langson, a defenseless Hanoi is a dessert in front of PLA. South to Langson, there was no terrain advantages Vietnamese army could take to delay the pace of PLA. Steel Current and motorized artillery from North China could take hand from the B class infantry divisions of Guangzhou military district, which had wasted time hunting monkeys in the mountains north to langson so far. everyone familar with this war knew that Hanoi had already been a trophy to PLA actually including my one of my viet friend. the only reason china left vietnam after secured langson is that china didn't want to overthrew viet government.

Modern warfare? learn something before spew your joke. Iraq airfore was far stronger than viet airforce. So far as i know, it has several regiment of Mig-29 and AWACS and numerous missiles bought from Soviet Union and US during Iraq-Iran war, how about the performance of their airforce? Modern air warfare is not medieval cavalry duel. the result of air warfare is decided by not only number advanced fighters but also C4isr, datalink, etc.not only does china have around 700 4gen fighters, but also AESA AWACS, ECM planes, air refuelers, H6K carrying cruise missiles for strategic strikes, and scores of military satellites for surveillance and guidance, even old F-7 had been upgraded to launch mid-range missiles, which old F16 and mig29 can't do.

what do you have? a few flankers and more old mig21s? Once a war is inevitable, thousands of aircrafts would roll out from the plants of CAC and SAC. nobody dare to sell you weapons to offend china. And your two batteries of S300 bought from Russia? don't forgot we used to produce that missile too and have its complete doucment, it will be easily blocked by Y8 ECM.

Before a war began, your airports, radars, missile batteries, which clearly appear on China's satellites, will be destroyed by hundreds of ballasitc missiles, and crusie missiles lauched from H6K and chinese Navy 2000 kilometers away. Only 5%of your planes shared the privilege to be shot down by PLAAF.

Please..your goal was to march to Hanoi in the same day that you launched the war..but you failed miserably. At the 17th or 18th day your troops were still got stuck at Cao Bang and Langson. Vietnam taught China a good lesson of overestimating yourself and underestimating us. And now you want talk about occupy Vietnam in less than a month.

Modern warfare needs air superiority to successfully invade a country. Let's take a look at Iraq for example. The U.S and its allies combined outnumbered the Iraq's airforce 1500 to 0 in term of modern aircraft, yet it took the allies like almost a month to control the sky. (Iraq did not even have S-300 like Vietnam). Add that to the fact Iraq is nothing but a desert, meaning nothing can be hide to conceal from the sky.

China at the very best outnumbered Vietnam 10 to 1 in in term of modern combat aircrafts. Add that to the fact that the terrain of Vietnam is densly mountain and jungle,meaning our defense position can be easily hide and conceal. Air superiority over Vietnam in less than a month? Get out the here along with 50% of your airforce.

And Vietnam never had a dream of Indochina nation dream so talking out of the blue does nothing to save your face. Vietnam did not attach Cambodia until 3 years after the Khmer Rouge keep launching attack on Vietnam.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

Uber burn.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

We will if you will

Ok, but the deal is off if some one posts a thread.