Uyghur girl modern dance

[beijingwalker]

Uyghur girl modern dance

 

[hussain0216]

You can see the distinct differences between the uighur and hans in their facial features

 

[beijingwalker]

You can see the distinct differences between the uighur and hans in their facial features

We can also see that those millennials dress, talk and behave all the same everywhere in China, ethnic lines are disappearing.

 

[hussain0216]

We can also see that those millennials dress, talk and behave all the same everywhere in China, ethnic lines are disappearing.

You are who you are celebrate it, they have a unique culture, faith, look, why try to look like anyone else

Be proud and loud

 

[beijingwalker]

You are who you are celebrate it, they have a unique culture, faith, look, why try to look like anyone else

Be proud and loud

Too much diversity always causes troubles as everyone can see around the world, Chinese people, regardless of their ethnic backgroud, should always be the Chinese first.

 

[Cybernetics]

You can see the distinct differences between the uighur and hans in their facial features

After looking at Chinese from different regions, I can see a slight difference between each province or region. Uyghurs also have a gradient. I have seen some that look middle eastern while some look Han from certain areas or other ethnic groups.

You are who you are celebrate it, they have a unique culture, faith, look, why try to look like anyone else

Be proud and loud

The government supports and funds traditional Uyghur culture (Turkic) not the Arabized version (ultra conservative export version for the peripheral states) that is spreading throughout most of the Islamic world (it is scary and backwards looking to Chinese but some outsiders support this). Youth and the entertainment market of all ethnic groups on the other hand is interested in a similar mainstream culture. Those that want to get into the entertainment industry joins a mainstream though they have their unique niches based on ethnic cultures.

Chinese tend to like and feel much more comfortable with a Turkic leaning traditional culture or its modern adaptation for the Uyghurs compared to the ultra conservative Arab version. Uyghur dance is popular in China, the market is receptive. There is no hostility towards that, many people love it. Maybe its because most Chinese are more accustomed to it.

 

[Desert Fox]

Too much diversity always causes troubles as everyone can see around the world, Chinese people, regardless of their ethnic backgroud, should always be the Chinese first.

@Nilgiri @Psychic this is linked to what I was saying about dominant power conforming it's subjects to it's own dominant culture in order to form a unified society, even if by force, because multicultural society cannot sustain itself on the basis of "equality" between the dominant group and it's subjects.

 

[Cybernetics]

@Nilgiri @Psychic this is linked to what I was saying about dominant power conforming it's subjects to it's own dominant culture in order to form a unified society, even if by force, because multicultural society cannot exist.

I think by force conformity is short lived. Economic opportunities is what changes society in the long term. It is unlikely for culture to be the uniform throughout a large society but will have significant overlaps overtime. Due to the sustained economic pressure in unifying culture, the mainstream culture will inevitably be set by the core while those not connected to the core would be relegated to the periphery and its culture would lose prominence.

 

[hussain0216]

Too much diversity always causes troubles as everyone can see around the world, Chinese people, regardless of their ethnic backgroud, should always be the Chinese first.

Forced uniformity causes even more trouble and resentment

After looking at Chinese from different regions, I can see a slight difference between each province or region. Uyghurs also have a gradient. I have seen some that look middle eastern while some look Han from certain areas or other ethnic groups.

To outside eyes, their is a clear and obvious difference or uniqueness between Uighurs and hans, not necessarily a bad thing just difference , ultimately its very telling in the eyes and features

The government supports and funds traditional Uyghur culture (Turkic) not the Arabized version (ultra conservative export version for the peripheral states) that is spreading throughout most of the Islamic world (it is scary and backwards looking to Chinese but some outsiders support this). Youth and the entertainment market of all ethnic groups on the other hand is interested in a similar mainstream culture. Those that want to get into the entertainment industry joins a mainstream though they have their unique niches based on ethnic cultures.

Chinese tend to like and feel much more comfortable with a Turkic leaning traditional culture or its modern adaptation for the Uyghurs compared to the ultra conservative Arab version. Uyghur dance is popular in China, the market is receptive. There is no hostility towards that, many people love it. Maybe its because most Chinese are more accustomed to it.

I think the whole problem lies here, rather than understand or welcome the Uighurs your telling them your own hangups and preferences
Accept them the way they are and things wil go smoothly

Populations and cultures have survived incredible persecution throughout history
There is nothing China can do to enforce a culture all that happens is the culture goes underground so you have a face for the authorities and a personal face and habits for your family and friends

You have a "official" name e.g Ping but to you and your family you will always be called Azeem or something

It breeds resentment and contempt rather than the integration you seek

 

[HannibalBarca]

@Cybernetics Can you explain what you mean by "Arab version"...

 

[rambro]

Forced uniformity causes even more trouble and resentment





To outside eyes, their is a clear and obvious difference or uniqueness between Uighurs and hans, not necessarily a bad thing just difference , ultimately its very telling in the eyes and features




I think the whole problem lies here, rather than understand or welcome the Uighurs your telling them your own hangups and preferences
Accept them the way they are and things wil go smoothly

Populations and cultures have survived incredible persecution throughout history
There is nothing China can do to enforce a culture all that happens is the culture goes underground so you have a face for the authorities and a personal face and habits for your family and friends

You have a "official" name e.g Ping but to you and your family you will always be called Azeem or something

It breeds resentment and contempt rather than the integration you seek

I think what he meant was being united under a single roof as in nationalism by not sub dividing into sub chinese as in arab chinese, afriçan chinese etc


Nationalism is the perfect counter measure to western imperialist's geopolitics of divide n rule which we can see how it turned out.

 

[Cybernetics]

@Nilgiri @Psychic this is linked to what I was saying about dominant power conforming it's subjects to it's own dominant culture in order to form a unified society, even if by force, because multicultural society cannot sustain itself on the basis of "equality" between the dominant group and it's subjects.

The overlapping of cultures can be observed in pop culture.

Uyghur version of "Beijing Beijing".

Forced uniformity causes even more trouble and resentment




To outside eyes, their is a clear and obvious difference or uniqueness between Uighurs and hans, not necessarily a bad thing just difference , ultimately its very telling in the eyes and features




I think the whole problem lies here, rather than understand or welcome the Uighurs your telling them your own hangups and preferences
Accept them the way they are and things wil go smoothly

Populations and cultures have survived incredible persecution throughout history
There is nothing China can do to enforce a culture all that happens is the culture goes underground so you have a face for the authorities and a personal face and habits for your family and friends

You have a "official" name e.g Ping but to you and your family you will always be called Azeem or something

It breeds resentment and contempt rather than the integration you seek

Sure, certain resentment is expected for any changing paradigm. Change throws people and society off balance to a certain degree. Society always has different kinds of pressures. Even if a society is of one ethnic group there is economic pressures to conform to a mainstream for economic opportunities or actualizing higher human needs. Organically different cultures coming together will eventually form a new mainstream or congeal around a mainstream because it is an efficient path, maybe a bit of both.

It is true that not everything can be force or would it be effective and efficient in the long run but certain elements that facilitates connections are generally more forced and is fairly successful. Language for example is such an element that can be effectively "forced" through education and supported through economic forces. This is true around the world.

@Cybernetics Can you explain what you mean by "Arab version"...

Arab doesn't refer to the Arab world's culture but a certain exported culture (modern phenomena) stemming from Arabia that is taking root in the Islamic world under the pretext of religion and culture but functions as a political tool for destabilization starting with isolation. This is seen as a connection to extremism, ultra conservatism and a rally point for many social issues around the world. For example the full face and body covering of the Burka is seen as detrimental for an effective society in China since it seeks to isolate and separate a whole portion of the society from the mainstream while living in geographic proximity to the core while receiving foreign indoctrination that has hidden political messages (not just influenced by Arabia but other geopolitical actors) detrimental to mainstream society. Arabia is just a proxy in a greater dynamic.

Traditional Turkic culture while unique doesn't seek to be isolationist and ultra conservative within a greater society. At least by my understanding, Turkic societies are fairly adaptable.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Arab doesn't refer to the Arab world's culture but a certain exported culture (modern phenomena) stemming from Arabia that is taking root in the Islamic world under the pretext of religion and culture but functions as a political tool for destabilization starting with isolation. This is seen as a connection to extremism, ultra conservatism and a rally point for many social issues around the world. For example the full face and body covering of the Burka is seen as detrimental for an effective society in China since it seeks to isolate and separate a whole portion of the society from the mainstream while living in geographic proximity to the core while receiving foreign indoctrination that has hidden political messages (not just influenced by Arabia but other geopolitical actors) detrimental to mainstream society. Arabia is just a proxy in a greater dynamic.

Traditional Turkic culture while unique doesn't seek to be isolationist and ultra conservative within a greater society. At least by my understanding, Turkic societies are fairly adaptable.

Interesting to see a different definition of particular "Vision".
It seems you are referring to the Muslim Brotherhood Ideology? (Political Islam)
As for your exemple of the Burka... It's quite interesting to see ppl linking Burka to the ME, when it's Central Asia that made it... and Especially "Afghanistan/Ouzbekistan Region".

And it's even more interesting, When you know that Modern "Extremism" didn't took root in ME or any Arabic Ideology but Indeed Central Asia...

Quite the irony...isn't it...

 

[beijingwalker]

There is nothing China can do to enforce a culture all that happens is the culture goes underground so you have a face for the authorities and a personal face and habits for your family and friends

You have a "official" name e.g Ping but to you and your family you will always be called Azeem or something

It breeds resentment and contempt rather than the integration you seek

I think China has much less racial problems than most countries, ethnic minority regions are very stable and peaceful, you don't see violence in those places comparing with what you can see in other countries (especiallly their neigboring countries and regions), people enjoy their lives and getting rich, so China's policy works fine by and large.

The reason Japan and Korea can develop so fast is largely due to the fact that they are single nation states enabling them not being bogged down by international strifes, China is also the same more or less.

 

[Śakra]

@Nilgiri @Psychic this is linked to what I was saying about dominant power conforming it's subjects to it's own dominant culture in order to form a unified society, even if by force, because multicultural society cannot sustain itself on the basis of "equality" between the dominant group and it's subjects.

They're conforming them to Western culture. The chinnay have fully embrassed Western culture in the place of their own. Look at how they dress (Western clothes), their music (copy of Classical and Pop music), they dye their hair and get colour contacts.