USA says Mattis not concerned about cutting Supply lines

[BHarwana]

You cannot own a property without Gov's knowledge you cannot even own a car without Gov's knowledge. There is FBR there you cannot escape them.

They way business is done in Pakistan is not how things are done in west, where every penny /minute spent is recorded.
Pakistan is a country where you can pay some bribe to politician or bureaucrat and do as you wish, circumventing all rules, regulations, norms and laws.

 

[BATMAN]

It's not as clean as what you think. People think everything is uppity in the West. It is not. The real differance in the West is higher economic productivity and a bigger cake to share/bribe out.

I don't agree... you probably don't know the system fully.
Every minute and every penny is recorded. Time is money.. specially doctors, consultants, lawyers, customer support center, mechanics, they all will send you a bill if you spoke with them for a minute.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I don't agree... you probably don't know the system fully.

I have lived in the damned West for 54 of 54 years of my life. I work here. I know what goes on. My cousin is a Chartered Accountant. Most of his time is spent cooking books up. Most of my time is spent screwing the system. We get paid for it. So please spare us the lecture. No doubt in Pakistan it is at another level but it is not squeeky clean here eithier.

 

[BATMAN]

You cannot own a property without Gov's knowledge you cannot even own a car without Gov's knowledge. There is FBR there you cannot escape them.

MQM is in charge of port Qasim. What they did after coming to power was fire every single employee who worked during Musharraf rule. They hired all MQM workers.... there was protest which was crushed by MQM... and than NATO /US started to come with containers.... rest is history and Altaf Bhai is still in UK despite all evidence of money laundering.

 

[LeGenD]

@Kaptaan

I see your point.

TBH, it is not in the best interests of the US to destroy Pakistan; even India would regret this.

Conversely, human madness has no parallel in history.

I just tend to inform fellow brothers to tone down their rhetoric and be "pragmatic." It is wishful thinking on their part to perceive US as a helpless bunny. This kind of pride is misplaced and ill-advised. What if US is springing a TRAP for Pakistan and understand that Pakistani are emotional enough to fall into it?

We should be humble, levelheaded and competent in the matters of "diplomacy." Society should be educated in these matters. Holy Prophet (PBUH) had these virtues and addressed many problems through these virtues.

Unfortunately, many Pakistani suffer from martial syndrome and believe that confrontation is the solution to every issue and we need to behave like a lion. This is the byproduct of years of indoctrination about the myth of Pakistani defenses being impregnable and other forms of falsehood. I kid you not - I also bought into this nonsense when I was a teenager. However, as I matured and became inquisitive, various realities dawned on me and I was in shock. This is not how a society is supposed to function. Soldiers can be expected to give their lives for the defense of the homeland but not the society itself. There is no point in sacrificing the lives of thousands for creating Pakistan, only to loose it on the whim of some emotional idiots with martial syndrome.

In this very forum, you can notice that some members misbehave with me and call me an American stooge and vice versa. Trust me! I am not a stooge of anybody and neither I have political stakes in the US or any other state. I have grown to respect power and US has plenty. If China was in the place of US, I would respected its power in the same way. This does not imply that I agree with US policies in regards to different matters.

My fault is that I am humble, levelheaded and understand lot of stuff. Some mistake this for weakness but I can be as strong and violent as any individual but what is the point? What will I gain from lack of levelheadedness? I do not underestimate others and I do not underestimate myself either.

IMO, education should be TOP PRIORITY of Pakistan today. The first message from Allah Almighty to Holy Prophet (PBUH) was to "recite." What is the point of Holy Quran? To educate the masses.

 

[BHarwana]

MQM is in charge of port Qasim. What they did after coming to power was fire every single employee who worked during Musharraf rule. They hired all MQM workers.... there was protest which was crushed by MQM... and than NATO /US started to come with containers.... rest is history and Altaf Bhai is still in UK despite all evidence of money laundering.

My friend we don't want to shut the supply lines if we want to we can do it in a sec. There is no point to shut the supply lines, it is just an idiotic tweet from an idiot US president. We don't want to throw USA totally to India. Why should we give that advantage to India?

The Aid they were giving to Pakistan is not that significant. Military of Pakistan is a bigger institution than it was back in 2011. The military is making billions from housing business and other commercial activities.

 

[BATMAN]

I have lived in the damned West for 54 of 54 years of my life. I work here. I know what goes on. My cousin is a Chartered Accountant. Most of his time is spent cooking books up. Most of my time is spent screwing the system. We get paid for it. So please spare us the lecture.

It doesn't matter, you live single year, 10 year or all life. A business house can't work without recording its time and pennies, unless you run a desi restaurant.
I also work with accountants and they come running at me, if I spent one hour extra to what I suppose to do.
In west, not even bicycle mechanic work without recording time.

 

[Enigma_]

@Kaptaan

I see your point.

TBH, it is not in the best interests of the US to destroy Pakistan; even India would regret this.

Conversely, human madness has no parallel in history.

I just tend to inform fellow brothers to tone down their rhetoric and be "pragmatic." It is wishful thinking on their part to perceive US as a helpless bunny. This kind of pride is misplaced and ill-advised. What if US is springing a TRAP for Pakistan and understand that Pakistani are emotional enough to fall into it?

We should be humble, levelheaded and competent in the matters of "diplomacy." Society should be educated in these matters. Holy Prophet (PBUH) had these virtues and addressed many problems through these virtues.

Unfortunately, many Pakistani suffer from martial syndrome and believe that confrontation is the solution to every issue and we need to behave like a lion. This is the byproduct of years of indoctrination about the myth of Pakistani defenses being impregnable and other forms of falsehood. I kid you not - I also bought into this nonsense when I was a teenager. However, as I matured and became inquisitive, various realities dawned on me and I was in shock. This is not how a society is supposed to function. Soldiers can be expected to give their lives for the defense of the homeland but not the society itself. There is no point in sacrificing the lives of thousands for creating Pakistan, only to loose it on the whim of some emotional idiots with martial syndrome.

In this very forum, you can notice that some members misbehave with me and call me an American stooge and vice versa. Trust me! I am not a stooge of anybody and neither I have political stakes in the US or any other state. I have grown to respect power and US has plenty. If China was in the place of US, I would respected its power in the same way. This does not imply that I agree with US policies in regards to different matters.

My fault is that I am humble, levelheaded and understand lot of stuff. Some mistake this for weakness but I can be as strong and violent as any individual but what is the point? What will I gain from lack of levelheadedness? I do not underestimate others and I do not underestimate myself either.

IMO, education should be TOP PRIORITY of Pakistan today. The first message from Allah Almighty to Holy Prophet (PBUH) was to "recite." What is the point of Holy Quran? To educate the masses.

WHEN THE F*CK HAS PAKISTAN EVER CONFRONTED US? IT HAS ALWAYS BENT DOWN AND HAS SAID ANYMORE SIR? With nothing good coming out of it. Bloody idiots we are. The US continuously harasses and humiliates Pakistan and Pakistanis and people like are saying we should say please we want more.

 

[BATMAN]

it is just an idiotic tweet from an idiot US president.

No its not.. to be a US president is not by accident.

Mattis has come to Pakistan so we keep quite and don't reach out to American press, with our version of US aid.

 

[BHarwana]

No its not.. to be a US president is not by accident.

For Trump the much bigger problem is North Korea can Trump attack it? NO, So attacking Pakistan is even worse for USA. If USA goes to war with Pakistan. USA win or lose it will not be left in a position to dominate the world any more and China and Russia will dominate USA in a sec so no war is coming.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

education should be TOP PRIORITY of Pakistan today.

I entirely agree with you. But I know American's approach everything with cost/benefit in mind and their decisions are primarily informed by that. For instance why did US decide to attack Iraq but despite decades of provocation not done jack to North Korea. The reason is NK would extract a heavier price then Iraq and we saw the result. The fact is talking of cost/benefit Pakistan has lost out too much out of the Afghan imbroglio. Pakistan was sold out by Musharaf. This is what dictators do. He had no mandate. To gain legitimacy he sold Afghanistan for few dollars and we are still paying the price for it. I am secularist but I have no compunction to say that "Taliban were bas*tards, but they were our bast*ards". I think you will know who I paraphrased this from?? We sold them out to another countries bast*ards. I ask you would USA help to instal a pro Chinese government in Mexico City? Would you?

It really is time for Pakistan to stand up.

 

[BATMAN]

For Trump the much bigger problem is North Korea can Trump attack it?

I have stated that in past that North Korea is drama by US... US get paid from South Korea, Japan and Taiwan... and serve its own self interest.
Without North Korea, Iran, India Israel.. .US is value less. They are all partners in crime.

 

[Enigma_]

I'm sure if tomorrow the US grabbed the Pakistani PM by the throat and said bow, not only would he bow but the rest of our Awaam will justify it by saying we shouldn't just bow but we should suck them off at the same time. No confrontation. Don't stand up for yourself. Be a coward and be harassed and treated like one.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

President Harry Truman's saying about the Nicaraguan strongman, 'He may be a bastard, but he's our bastard.'

 

[BHarwana]

I have stated that in past that North Korea is drama by US... US get paid from South Korea, Japan and Taiwan... and serve its own self interest.
Without North Korea, Iran, India Israel.. .US is value less.

It is just a tweet the Aid was already not much that Pakistan Army was living on it. Pakistan spends billions of Dollars on it National security. If we want we can throw USA out in a day from Afghanistan but why should we throw USA out of Afghanistan?

President Harry Truman's saying about the Nicaraguan strongman, 'He may be a bastard, but he's our bastard.'

lol you really had to do that.