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[LeGenD]

Just answer me this. You think standing up for yourself as a nation against bullying and saying enough is enough is not level headed? We keep on going about whataboutisms when this country and its people are humiliated, ragged and thrown around like cloth by the US everyday. And we just want to say that's lovely and dandy? The only thing that's been reactionary about Pakistan is saying yes sir to every command the US gives to Pakistan. Like a good little puppy dog. If the people in this Nation are fine with that then we deserve no better. It seems like we enjoy being treated like that.

My dear bro,

Who is saying that we have to do everything that US tells us to? We do not. We can continue to strive for Kashmir cause; we can extract benefits from CPEC; and vice versa.

We need to sort out our "internal problems" however. Where do I start.... let us talk about diplomacy. See my response in this thread: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paki...ainst-hafiz-saeed.537753/page-2#post-10152118

Also, watch the video that I referred to you.

Problem is that our leaders are a bunch of liars and pull strings in Washington DC for personal gains. How Pakistani leadership and ambassadors have presented themselves and Pakistan to the US, is important to understand. Remember memogate scandal and other matters?

Unfortunately for them, Trump administration is different.

Please show me evidence of a sincere effort on the part of Pakistan to cultivate a vibrant relationship with the US in Post-Musharraf era. Nothing. ZERO.

Why are Afghanistan and Haqqani Network are the only issues to highlight in regards to Pakistan? Is War on Terror the only matter in which Pakistan matters? Nothing else?

Bro, we need to understand what went wrong and who is responsible. Simply blaming Trump won't do.

 

[Enigma_]

My dear bro,

Who is saying that we have to do everything that US tells us to? We do not. We can continue to strive for Kashmir cause; we can extract benefits from CPEC; and vice versa.

We need to sort out our "internal problems" however. Where do I start.... let us talk about diplomacy. See my response in this thread: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paki...ainst-hafiz-saeed.537753/page-2#post-10152118

Also, watch the video that I referred to you.

Problem is that our leaders are a bunch of liars and pull strings in Washington DC for personal gains. How Pakistani leadership and ambassadors have presented themselves and Pakistan to the US, is important to understand. Remember memogate scandal and other matters?

Unfortunately for them, Trump administration is different.

Please show me evidence of a sincere effort on the part of Pakistan to cultivate a vibrant relationship with the US in Post-Musharraf era. Nothing. ZERO.

Why are Afghanistan and Haqqani Network are the only issues to highlight in regards to Pakistan? Is War on Terror the only matter in which Pakistan matters? Nothing else?

Bro, we need to understand what went wrong and who is responsible. Simply blaming Trump won't do.

THE US DOES NOT CARE ABOUT PAKISTANI CONCERNS IT NEVER HAS. YOU CAN GET THE GREATEST DIPLOMAT OF ALL TIME INTO WASHINGTON TO PRESENT PAKISTAN'S VIEW BUT THE US WILL SIMPLY SHRUG IT OFF BECAUSE THEY DON'T GIVE A SINGLE F*CK ABOUT PAKISTAN AND PAKISTANIS. THEY NEVER HAVE!

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Turkey always followed its interests even when west opposed it, see Invasion of Cyprus 1974.

Had it been sellout Pakistani ruling elite they would have pawned Cyprus for few dollars more. And then claimed they had no choice because "US would bomb us to stone age". By the way I know how West irks with what Turkey did in 1974. To the West Greeks are like their dad, mum, godfather, godmother, gods all rolled into one as they have this illusion that they are children of Ancient Greece. But despite Greeks being "gods" the Turks gave them a proper thrashing shoving "enosis" up their posterior and introducing "taksim".

THE US DOES NOT CARE ABOUT PAKISTANI CONCERNS IT NEVER HAS. YOU CAN GET THE GREATEST DIPLOMAT OF ALL TIME INTO WASHINGTON TO PRESENT PAKISTAN'S VIEW BUT THE US WILL SIMPLY SHRUG IT OFF BECAUSE THEY DON'T GIVE A SINGLE F*CK ABOUT PAKISTAN AND PAKISTANIS. THEY NEVER HAVE!

A lesson that President Ayub Khan learn't rather too late. Read his book "Friends rather than Masters"

 

[xenon54 out]

Had it been sellout Pakistani ruling elite they would have pawned Cyprus for few dollars more. And then claimed they had no choice because "US would bomb us to stone age". By the way I know how West irks with what Turkey did in 1974. To the West Greeks are like their dad, mum, godfather, godmother, gods all rolled into one as they have this illusion that they are children of Ancient Greece. But despite Greeks being "gods" the Turks gave them a proper thrashing shoving "enosis" up their posterior and introducing "taksim".

Turkey got sanctioned afterwards but still reserved it right as a guarantor power of Cyprus to intervene into ethnic turmoils with the goal of Greece annexing Cyprus.
Those who think Turkey-Nato relations never been as bad as today dont know that Turkey got sanctioned by its allies for preventing a ethnic massacre on its kin.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Turkey got sanctioned afterwards but still reserved it right as a guarantor power of Cyprus to intervene into ethnic turmoils with the goal of Greece annexing Cyprus.
Those who think Turkey-Nato relations never been as bad as today dont know that Turkey got sanctioned by its allies for preventing a ethnic massacre on its kin.

I know. One of our teachers at school often went to holiday in Cyprus and he would always complain about "the Turks". This is late 1970s.

 

[xenon54 out]

I know. One of our teachers at school often went to holiday in Cyprus and he would always complain about "the Turks". This is late 1970s.

Well everyone has his own part now and there is a lasting peace since the invasion.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

IK says it "as is".

 

[Enigma_]

IK says it "as is".

I would support him but he's pro-taliban.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Well it was Ottoman Empire's traitor Damat Ferid Pasha who signed the treaty but thank god Kemal Pasha didnt accept it and fought the independence war.
The said Damat Ferid fled to Europe after Atatürk won the war against Greeks.

You indeed dont know what your talking about.

I see. Thank you for educating me.

Well it was Ottoman Empire's traitor Damat Ferid Pasha who signed the treaty but thank god Kemal Pasha didnt accept it and fought the independence war.
The said Damat Ferid fled to Europe after Atatürk won the war against Greeks.

You indeed dont know what your talking about.

I said correct me if I don't know.

Doesn't change the fact that the west almost destroyed Turkey at one time.

There is no doubt that the Ataturk saved Turkey from the imperialists.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I would support him but he's pro-taliban.

In that sense so am I. PTI is in power in K-Pk and see the results. What did I say earlier on about "our bas*tards"?

 

[MultaniGuy]

In that sense so am I. PTI is in power in K-Pk and see the results. What did I say earlier on about "our bas*tards"?

Well the Afghan Taliban are strongly anti-Indian. That is one thing for sure.

 

[Enigma_]

Well the Afghan Taliban are strongly anti-Indian. That is one thing for sure.

Yeah but the problem is they're just as equally anti-pakistan.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Yeah but the problem is they're just as equally anti-pakistan.

I have yet to see any Afghan Taliban utter anti-Pakistan statements unless you can correct me.

 

[Enigma_]

I have yet to see any Afghan Taliban utter anti-Pakistan statements unless you can correct me.

That's because they're busy fighting ISIS and the US forces right now. Don't think they have time to say or do anything else. Also never forget APS. The TTP is just an off shoot of Afghani Taliban. Besides all Afghans are anti-pakistan by nature. They have hated our guts since inception.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Yeah but the problem is they're just as equally anti-pakistan.

So would you if your a*ss got auctioned for dollars per head.