US recognition of Jerusalem as Israeli capital would be 'major catastrophe' - Turkey

[Iñigo]

The Fracture of the first century

The Fracture of the fist century culminating in the destruction of the Temple (-70) ...

... is a fracture between on the one hand the ruling class of the city-Temple and its servants, lackeys and suppliers. Ruling class who enjoyed enormous advantages and privileges within the Roman Empire ...

and,

... on the other hand, "the people of the land", "those damn people", the local population: people from Idumea, Galilea and Perea and "a multitude of slaves and brigands".

So we are back to square one in "the land of Canaan": a country that excludes its local population.

 

[Meengla]

"Palestine" 2000 years ago referred to the Greek Philistines that the Jews literally exterminated, not some fake Arab Muslim national identity created in the 1900s. Jews were not "Palestinians"/Philistines, they were a mortal enemy of the Philistines.

Ahh, "Philistines"!!
You remind me of my long and heated arguments with an American friend; he is Catholic and a strong defender of Israel. He uses 'Philistines' to describe Palestinians. Actually, he, like you, says there are no 'Palestinians'. I told him what he is saying code words for genocide.

PS. I think I am going to watch 'Samson and Delilah' movie soon. Watched it as a child when it was shown in cinemas in Pakistan in the 70s.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Ahh, "Philistines"!!
You remind me of my long and heated arguments with an American friend; he is Catholic and a strong defender of Israel. He uses 'Philistines' to describe Palestinians. Actually, he, like you, says there are no 'Palestinians'. I told him what he is saying code words for genocide.

PS. I think I am going to watch 'Samson and Delilah' movie soon. Watched it as a child when it was shown in cinemas in Pakistan in the 70s.

You are confusing something.
I don't call Palestinians "Philistines". I am saying the opposite.

I'm saying there's zero connection between them. "Palestine" is named after the Philistines which are ethnically Greek, not todays Arab Muslim Palestinians.

So whenever they say "Jesus was a Palestinian" or "Palestine is 2000 years old" it's a straight up lie, since this referred to the Philistines.

 

[Meengla]

You are confusing something.
I don't call Palestinians "Philistines". I am saying the opposite.

I'm saying there's zero connection between them. "Palestine" is named after the Philistines which are ethnically Greek, not todays Arab Muslim Palestinians.

So whenever they say "Jesus was a Palestinian" or "Palestine is 2000 years old" it's a straight up lie, since this referred to the Philistines.

Thank you for educating me. I haven't paid much attention to the 'Philistines' argument. It is my American Catholic friend who uses that term. I simply don't care. I am a self-proclaimed 'Humanist' who believes that we are all human beings above all, with the same potentials and rights and responsibilities. And I don't believe that any group of human being should displace another group of people based on some ancient claim. We have all displaced each other over the millennia but that 'wheel' must be broken.

 

[Iñigo]

The Fracture of the first century

The Fracture of the fist century culminating in the destruction of the Temple (-70) ...

... is a fracture between on the one hand the ruling class of the city-Temple and its servants, lackeys and suppliers. Ruling class who enjoyed enormous advantages and privileges within the Roman Empire ...

and,

... on the other hand, "the people of the land", "those damn people", the local population: people from Idumea, Galilea and Perea and "a multitude of slaves and brigands".

So we are back to square one in "the land of Canaan": a country that excludes its local population.

Beny Romanum

What he does not understand is that the Fracture of the first century has now been repeated on a larger scale, on a grand scale, for now "Perea" reaches as far as Pakistan.

 

[Iñigo]

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A country that denies citizenship to the population of the territory it controls is not a civilized country.

No wonder the founder Jabotinsky called it "Our colonial proyect"

Ze'ev Jabotinsky - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Beny Karachun]

Thank you for educating me. I haven't paid much attention to the 'Philistines' argument. It is my American Catholic friend who uses that term. I simply don't care. I am a self-proclaimed 'Humanist' who believes that we are all human beings above all, with the same potentials and rights and responsibilities. And I don't believe that any group of human being should displace another group of people based on some ancient claim. We have all displaced each other over the millennia but that 'wheel' must be broken.

We didn't displace them until they tried to displace us.

We immigrated here based on continuous presence in this land for 3000 years, Arabs didn't like that and tried to drive us to the sea and now they cry about the consequences of the war they started.

 

[Iñigo]

In the end

In the end (War, Book VII, 260) Josephus unwittingly blurts out the truth: "the powerful (hoi dynatoi) mistreated (kakountes) the majority-people and the majority-people (plethes) wanted to kill the powerful"

We are back to square one

 

[Meengla]

We didn't displace them until they tried to displace us.

We immigrated here based on continuous presence in this land for 3000 years, Arabs didn't like that and tried to drive us to the sea and now they cry about the consequences of the war they started.

Non-sense! Jews were there thousands of years ago as were the ancestors of the Palestinians. But the Jewish presence was negligible by the 20th century. And I am not going to deny they were expelled. But the fact is that Palestinians were in a vast majority by 20th century. Calling the Jewish presence as 'continuous' as basis to expel the natives is disingenuous. Simple Googling would tell you the numbers.

The contradictions in your narrative are for the world to see. You claim to belong to a land of the brown people but you also claim to be an 'Outpost of the [white] West in the Middle East'. You went to the Middle East with a supremacist, racist, Apartheid mindset and you have that mindset even now. You yourself in this forum have been calling Arabs/Palestinians as 'Neanderthals'. And unless you change your attitude you will pay a great price and that price is likely within the next couple of decades.

 

[Iñigo]

"they were expelled"

That is a legend, a Christian legend, a children's story, a legend that the rabbis assumed.

The Zionists did what the Romans did not do.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Non-sense! Jews were there thousands of years ago as were the ancestors of the Palestinians. But the Jewish presence was negligible by the 20th century. And I am not going to deny they were expelled. But the fact is that Palestinians were in a vast majority by 20th century. Calling the Jewish presence as 'continuous' as basis to expel the natives is disingenuous. Simple Googling would tell you the numbers.

The contradictions in your narrative are for the world to see. You claim to belong to a land of the brown people but you also claim to be an 'Outpost of the [white] West in the Middle East'. You went to the Middle East with a supremacist, racist, Apartheid mindset and you have that mindset even now. You yourself in this forum have been calling Arabs/Palestinians as 'Neanderthals'. And unless you change your attitude you will pay a great price and that price is likely within the next couple of decades.

No lol. Palestinian ancestors are Arabs and maybe local populations raped by Arabs 1600 years ago. They were never from here, and their ancestors never identified as Palestinian.

In the start of the 20th century there was no Palestinian nationality. The term Palestinian was only coined somewhere in the middle of the 20th century.

Palestine - refers to the Philistines which are Greek. Palestinians - Arabs, nothing to do with the Greek Philistines. Palestinian nationality is a lie, locals were calling themselves Jordanian, Iraqi, Syrian, Egyptian but never Palestinian before 1948.

Israel isn't a land of "brown people", Syria, Lebanon and Israel region always had blue eyed and blonde haired people.

Palestinians are neanderthals, there is no denying that. We aren't Apartheid, Arabs are, that persecuted and massacred Jews for centuries. I wish we were though, Arabs only understand violence.

 

[Iñigo]

Here there is a huge confusion between 5 History:

(1) "Our colonial proyect" (Jabotinsky)

(2) the Yiddish people, A people that the rabbis forged when they decided NOT to be a religion

(3) A Religion that in Roman, Greek and Persian times spread like wildfire among women and that was in "all the nations of the world" (Josephus)

(4) An Aramean ruling class (= Jacob)

(5) Hebrews, which is the name given to tribes of Arabs in Canaan

 

[Iñigo]

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The Christian legend assumed by the rabbis, the legend of the exile, is a children's story. A fxxx Fantasy.

And at best it is a confusion of the history of the city-Temple with the history of "the people of the land" ("am ha'eretz").

And we return to the question: the fracture of the first century.

 

[Meengla]

No lol. Palestinian ancestors are Arabs and maybe local populations raped by Arabs 1600 years ago. They were never from here, and their ancestors never identified as Palestinian.

In the start of the 20th century there was no Palestinian nationality. The term Palestinian was only coined somewhere in the middle of the 20th century.

You deny there were non-Jewish people living in Palestine for centuries? You deny that they were in a majority by 20th century?
Looking at your posts, it is very obvious that you certainly deny the existence of several million people that were there then and now. You call them as product of 'rape'!!?? In your zeal, you are telling the world what your thoughts are: Expulsion or subjugation of millions of people. And, yes, they ARE brown people as are most of the people living in that region! Pakistan too has millions of 'white' people but Pakistan is basically a land of brown people!

 

[Iñigo]

The violent Poles and Ukrainians who founded "our colonial project" (Zionism 2.0) applied the old Software of an Aramean ruling class (Zionism 1.0)

Aramean Mental Software expressly designed to justify the domination of the Hebrew population, the first-born population.

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The tremendous thing is that this is the second time this movie has been shown in the theater.

And we know how the movie ends.