US, Pakistan Near Open War; Chinese Ultimatum Warns Washington Against Atta

[HellzHere]

Daily drone attacks on Pakistan...so what's China doing/gonna do??

 

[macnurv]

I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT RAMOND DAVID AND ASSOCIATES , set up , proxy Talibans (Fake Talibans) to attack mosques, and religious sites inorder to incite hate against these groups

Later on when public opinion changed, army conducted operations killing some chechniyans etc recently which led to recent attacks

My reason for suspicion is due to fact

a) A religious man would never destroy a quran in mosque or any text with word of allah written on it shia/suni etc
c) CIA have experience setting up illegal money transferring networks in past in Libya , Labnoon a spy network

CIA is helping the rebel talibans , with funds and giving ppl like Bugti clan explosives to take out gas pipelines

Oh god here we go again another Pakistani who thinks Talibans are heroes who can do no evil. You are beyond naive if you think it took 2 days of planning to storm PNS Mehran or right after OBL was killed TTP said Right Lets see which base we can storm? It took months in planning with not only inside help but also constant real time information being provided to the terrorists during the assault. Murder of Chechiyans does not change the dynamics of current situation.

 

[macnurv]

Daily drone attacks on Pakistan...so what's China doing/gonna do??

When the Pakistani's are not willing to protect their own selective sovereignty, Politicians are too impotent and Generals are too cowardly. What China can do.

The enemies of Pakistan really not to wage a war against us any more, they had already got us pinned against the wall. Thank you General of Pakistan Army for eating over 70% of our annual budget. Thank you for giving us misogynist religious terrorists who you thought would provide you with strategic depth. Thank you for giving us so many dead, so many soldiers dead. Thank You.

 

[Soumitra]

Do the pakistanis really think that China will abandon its double digit growth and global power status to fight a war with USA just because it kills a few militants in Pakistan (who if I may add may one day very well attack china also). They did not interfere during Kargil war, 2002 and 2008 standoff b/w India and pakistan and will certainly not like to be entangled with the US

 

[Guest01]

Seeing the excitement of the Indian members, let me throw a ball at you hoping you catch it.

Suppose some of these conspiracy theories are true and US is looking to disarm Pakistan enough to allow India to take over in a conventional war. If this in fact is the case than it would be seen as a further tilt in the already shifting loyalties of India away from Russia and towards USA.
Wouldnt it be a cause of annoyance for Russia? It may have started to happen already with the amount of recent contact between Russia and Pakistan.
So my question to our Indian friends is, would they prefer to support USA in trying to destabilize Pakistan further, gain an unreliable friend (USA) and loose a reliable one (Russia)? Or should they for once support Pakistan by telling US to lay off and in the process gain trust and friendship of Pakistan as well?

And kindly refrain from replying with one of the below,

1. India is waaaaaaaaaaay too strong, Pakistan is nothing in front of it.
2. India has no interest in destabilizing Pakistan it has an O, so large
economy to boost.
3. Russia will never EVER EVER EVER befriend Pakistan
under Indian pressure.
4. Russia and India are too deeply involved for them to lose any sleep
over India's flirting with USA.
5. Pakistan should first stop cross border infiltration because it is all
Pakistan's fault, Indians are angels.

All of the above arguments have been proven redundant over time and the current fact is, Russia has extended a hand towards Pakistan.

Given your curiosity about some doomsday scenario in Pakistan, let me bring the following to your notice.
India will not nees to be part of the conflict. If pakistan bunbs are disabled, pakistan will anyway be attacking and waging jeehaad against USA. Now all jingoistic comments aside, even if all of the ummaah gets together, prudence will say that pakistani thrashing will be over in probably a day. You have yourself shared all about your defences with US keenly and willingly. Now there is no card hidden to be played later as pakistanis really like to think so. Now regarding china, they will do nothing and at best give pakistan soome weapons. That will anyway make it an international conflict and US and western countries will ensure likewise treatment of China. China has nothing with which it can scare US that US will not counter with an assured decapacitation of china. Then they can say goodbye not just to the taiwan cause but also to tibet and xinxiang. These regions are gone the moment china is in a weak position. Now about russia. Beforw we get too jingoistic and start saying that all djinns will tell russia to fight with china and hence pakistan against UD, think about it. Russia has never likes china and now is nothing new. They will just bide their time and wait for china to go down. Then they will be the regions boss and who knows that with a weaker US, the world's boss. So you should understand this very clearly that any country will not share your love for the war because all think of their own strength and safety. No country will inflict the poverty due to a war on their people. Hence take a chill pill. Stop these jingoistic dreams and try to think how to save pakistani bases from these terrorists. Get over with this good tully bad tully policy and you will find the world a better place and friendly. Hope that you got the answer though it was unfortunately none of your jingoistic choixes. Good luck.

 

[Meengla]

Only LIP service... Americans killed OBL on Sunday/Monday, They played with Pakistani sovereignty on very next Friday when there drones killed some people in FATA ......
I don see any difference in OBL operation and Drons attack. In later one the Soldier sitting at some remote place and pulling the trigger, while in first one they pull the trigger two inch above OBL...
I think the chinese LIP service is to win Pakistani awam heart and nothing else...

Yes and no.
It is widely believed in Pakistan and outside Pakistan that drones have the tacit approval of the Pakistani military and govt. Public denials are needed. In case of OBL, Pakistan's Foreign Secretary is on record to to have said that 'all we want is some decorum in public space'--a remark meaning that it was quite 'ok' to get OBL but to humiliate Pakistan--despite the intelligence which led to OBL--in public was completely unacceptable. Obama administration, especially Panetta, has caused some major damage by doing the Hollywood show out of the raid.

About China, at least I don't expect China to intervene in any direct way. Why should they? But arming Pakistan with some pretty lethal weapons and possible Veto in UNSC against any anti-Pak Resolution are concrete steps.

 

[EagleOne]

China has officially put the United States on notice that Washington's planned attack on Pakistan will be interpreted as an act of aggression against Beijing. This blunt warning represents the first known strategic ultimatum received by the United States in half a century, going back to Soviet warnings during the Berlin crisis of 1958-1961, and indicates the grave danger of general war growing out of the US-Pakistan confrontation.

Pakistan News Service - PakTribune

One Word: Taiwan

 

[secularbuster]

Do the pakistanis really think that China will abandon its double digit growth and global power status to fight a war with USA just because it kills a few militants in Pakistan (who if I may add may one day very well attack china also). They did not interfere during Kargil war, 2002 and 2008 standoff b/w India and pakistan and will certainly not like to be entangled with the US

Of course not, so why don't you try an Abbottobad style mission inside Pakistan?

 

[Guest01]

Of course not, so why don't you try an Abbottobad style mission inside Pakistan?

Before replying to the post that you did, you could have at least read it before asking that question. The same logic that works for China also works for India. India will not attack Pakistan and risk its economic growth. And anyway where is the need to attack Pakistan when its own handiwork is paying dividends for it.

On the positive side, if such an environment continues in Pakistan for the next few months, the populace will if nothing else then at least start questioning the army for its erroneous stratagies and there will be a better opportunity of peace and cooperation arising in Pakistan. We do not need to do any overt action now. There is light at the end of the tunnel and patience will certainly be a virtue in these times.

Sorry to disappoint you with lack of jingoism.

 

[PlanetWarrior]

Of course not, so why don't you try an Abbottobad style mission inside Pakistan?

No thanks. We have enough on our hands having to guard our borders against Bangladeshi illegal trespassers, smugglers and rustlers to do that. At least the Pakistanis know where their border ends and usually respect that. We will leave the USA to sort out Pakistan whilst we concentrate on economic expansion and guarding our borders . You just go on daydreaming about the day Pakistan tells your people that it is okay to come and wash their feet and serve them again

 

[drunken-monke]

Its very easy to counter US game ....just get some military bases in carribean Islands, Venezuela, Bolivia and Greenland ..Install Nuclear Missiles there alongwith Nuclear Subz...and every thing is under ure control....US cant even do a Sh*t except to cry like a baby.....Insha-Allah....

and example to that was cuban Missile crises

 

[-INDIAN-]

lols.....you know the answer and the whole world knows the answer....If china would have really considered EVERY ATTACK ON PAKISTAN AS A ATTACK ON ITS OWN then CHINA SHOULD HAVE FOUGHT WAR WITH USA FOR AROUND 99999 TIMES........

 

[drunken-monke]

Of course not, so why don't you try an Abbottobad style mission inside Pakistan?

Why there is need on doing an abbottabad like overt action. Those millitants are eating up Pakistan like bugs.. Hence India doesn't have to field its resources which would eventually result in war. By the way I am against any future US operation in Pakistan, beco it will further destabilize Pakistan. It would be threat to regions peace. Even for India this would not be good. Rather all the culprits in the Pakistan irrepective of their nationality have to be neutralizaed by Pakistan itself. Offcource its a land of Pure, A stable Pakistan, A developed Pakistan, A friendly Pakistan is in India's Interest.

 

[DV RULES]

Its very easy to counter US game ....just get some military bases in carribean Islands, Venezuela, Bolivia and Greenland ..Install Nuclear Missiles there alongwith Nuclear Subz...and every thing is under ure control....US cant even do a Sh*t except to cry like a baby.....Insha-Allah....

Very attractive but stupid idea.

Try to cross Atlantic or pacific even to put a brick of base there, if you can individually.

Dear, first try to remove bases from Afghanistan and then we will think over it, till that time only go for developing relations with Venezuela or Cuba first.

Looks like you finished Imran series novel.

 

[DV RULES]

Well i am going to write once again that we must not to bring another power to deal with previous one, yes for diplomatic back up and economical cooperation good to connect with china but sovereignty is pure national question and we must secure this issue by ourselves.

Even if you will enter in SCO it doesn't means Russia & China will point ICBM or fighters against US for you but their first requirement will be to remover extremists elements from country to secure their interests and secure their security with your security, so let's be some realistic but not as usual emotional nation, which has history like

Past "USSR bad USA good"
Present "USA bad China & Russia good"