US losing patience with Pakistan, says Panetta

[OrionHunter]

Losing patience with Pakistan? So what are they planning to do once they've lost it? Will they:
Invade Balochistan?
Take over all nuclear sites?
Bomb Pakistan back to the stone age?
Apply economic sanctions?
All of the above?
None of the above?

It's obviously 'none of the above'! So relax.

This is a sign of total frustration of the Yanks! They seem to be heading nowhere and are fast running out of ideas! 10 years on and what have they gotta show? SFA!

 

[airmarshal]

Only, Zardari or ANP can be blamed for US grievances.

What about Musharraf who gave them the NRO and now living off well in London!

 

[Mercenary]

Losing patience with Pakistan? So what are they planning to do once they've lost it? Will they:
Invade Balochistan?
Take over all nuclear sites?
Bomb Pakistan back to the stone age?
Apply economic sanctions?
All of the above?
None of the above?

It's obviously 'none of the above'! So relax.

This is a sign of total frustration of the Yanks! They seem to be heading nowhere and are fast running out of ideas! 10 years on and what have they gotta show? SFA!

Here is what the US can do:
1 - Declare Pakistan a State Sponsor of Terrorism. Which will cause trade, financial, travel, economic, military sanctions to be placed on Pakistan.
2 - All Training camps, militant hideouts, etc. will be now fair targets for US Forces and not only Drones but using the Air Force to strategically bomb them.
3 - Sign a Strategic Defense Agreement with India which will give India access to all high-tech American Weaponry.
4 - Side with India on the Kashmir Issue.
5 - Pressure China and Saudi Arabia to curtail Pakistan.

 

[Bhairava]

Here is what the US can do:
1 - Declare Pakistan a State Sponsor of Terrorism. Which will cause trade, financial, travel, economic, military sanctions to be placed on Pakistan.
2 - All Training camps, militant hideouts, etc. will be now fair targets for US Forces and not only Drones but using the Air Force to strategically bomb them.
3 - Sign a Strategic Defense Agreement with India which will give India access to all high-tech American Weaponry.
4 - Side with India on the Kashmir Issue.
5 - Pressure China and Saudi Arabia to curtail Pakistan.

I think 3 & 4 are already done.

 

[gambit]

Losing patience with Pakistan? So what are they planning to do once they've lost it? Will they:
Invade Balochistan?
Take over all nuclear sites?
Bomb Pakistan back to the stone age?
Apply economic sanctions?
All of the above?
None of the above?

It's obviously 'none of the above'! So relax.

This is a sign of total frustration of the Yanks! They seem to be heading nowhere and are fast running out of ideas! 10 years on and what have they gotta show? SFA!

It is not so 'obvious'. All we have to do is declare a closer relationship, not quite alliance, with India. Then watch how Pakistan will respond.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Sometimes, I don't understand Pakistani strategy in Afghanistan, Us accuses her of offering safe havens to terrorists, and furthermore, help them. But on the other side, Qaeda and Taliban accuse Pakistan government of treason and betrayal. Pakistan is the most country suffered from terrorism, but still host those groups. I don't get it.

 

[lem34]

It is not so 'obvious'. All we have to do is declare a closer relationship, not quite alliance, with India. Then watch how Pakistan will respond.

Please do we would rather have a closer alliance with China the power on the up rather than the power on the wane

 

[Mech]

Please do we would rather have a closer alliance with China the power on the up rather than the power on the wane

Since when did American power start "declining" ? If anything, they are so much more powerful than ever before.

 

[T-Rex]

It is not so 'obvious'. All we have to do is declare a closer relationship, not quite alliance, with India. Then watch how Pakistan will respond.

The US already has closer than your 'closer relation' with india and it has changed nothing. Pakistan is still there and it will remain there indefinitely to traumatize the immature US psyche.

 

[lem34]

Since when did American power start "declining" ? If anything, they are so much more powerful than ever before.

They themselves admit they are going through a systemic failure

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

It is not so 'obvious'. All we have to do is declare a closer relationship, not quite alliance, with India. Then watch how Pakistan will respond.

Pakistan has been responding by trying to get closer to China and Russia .

The best response to Pakistan would be to leave a reasonably stable Afghanistan behind that does not fall back into Talib control . An Afghanistan that follows an indipendent foreign policy . That would be the best answer to Pakistan and their strategy of supporting the Talibs would have failed . How it happens , is for the west to figure out .

 

[batmannow]

Only, Zardari or ANP can be blamed for US grievances.

& its just the dam begaining?

 

[Mech]

They themselves admit they are going through a systemic failure

Lol...and you believe that ? After all the underhanded deals , disinformation campaigns and economic warfare they carry out all over the world ? Have you learnt nothing yet ?

Do you honestly think that a nation that weighs in every minor detail and maintains an institutional memory would intentionally end up as a train wreck ?

Hell, even the great depression did nothing.

 

[Mercenary]

Sometimes, I don't understand Pakistani strategy in Afghanistan, Us accuses her of offering safe havens to terrorists, and furthermore, help them. But on the other side, Qaeda and Taliban accuse Pakistan government of treason and betrayal. Pakistan is the most country suffered from terrorism, but still host those groups. I don't get it.

Let me explain:
Pakistan along with funding from Saudi Arabia and training and weapons from USA created these Jihadi groups to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. When the Soviets withdrew in 1989, Pakistan decided to employ the same strategy in Indian Kashmir. Using these guerrilla tactics to defeat the larger conventional force. It also used these guys to take over Afghanistan and they mutated into the extremist Taliban.

But it didn't work. India still controls Kashmir and Pakistan lost control of these Jihadi groups who after being driven out of Afghanistan following 9/11 and when they entered Pakistan looked around and thought of creating a Extremist Sunni State in Pakistan first before exporting this Jihad else where. And thus that gave rise to Lal Masjid and Pakistani Taliban and other extremist elements within Pakistan.

Pakistan is still under the delusions that these groups can be controlled and thus it has only haphazardly targeted these militant groups. It is trying to please both sides but what it has done it has created a policy where Pakistan is being targeted by both. US thinks Pakistan is sheltering terrorists which it does and Taliban believes that Pakistan is an enemy of these Jihadi groups, which it is as well. Pakistan tried to make a distinction between the Good Taliban (those who fight USA, India) and Bad Taliban (those who fight Pakistan). The problem is Pakistan is kidding itself.

A good analogy is Jordan in 1970. Think of it this way. PLO and other foreign terrorists started conducting terrorist attacks from Jordanian Soil. King Hussein send his Army and destroyed these groups in Black September and drove them away from Jordan.

Now what if the King decided to target only those groups which are conducting terrorist attacks against Jordan and not the West.

The West would rightly believe that Jordanian is sponsoring terrorism. These terrorist groups would also rightly believe that King Hussein is against their causes. So what will happen is both the West and these terrorist groups would have started attacking Jordan.

That is what is happening in Pakistan.

We need a good leader like King Hussein who put his country security in front of any regional causes. He attacked the very people who were fighting Israel because he cared more about his country as should anyone else.

Pakistan just doesn't understand this and thus the disastrous situation in Pakistan.

 

[lem34]

Lol...and you believe that ? After all the underhanded deals , disinformation campaigns and economic warfare they carry out all over the world ? Have you learnt nothing yet ?

Do you honestly think that a nation that weighs in every minor detail and maintains an institutional memory would intentionally end up as a train wreck ?

Hell, even the great depression did nothing.

Well you would have some difficulty in accepting that India has made the wrong choice.