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US fines Chinese firm for re-sales to Pakistan nuclear plant

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Classified By: EAP/CM Acting Director Robert Forden for reasons 1.4 b and d ¶1. (S/NF) During the June 7 U.S.-China Consultation on Arms Control and Nonproliferation (ref A), Acting Assistant Secretary of State for International Security and Nonproliferation Frank Record provided Chinese Foreign Ministry Director General for Arms Control Zhang Yan with additional information on Chinese national Gao Yiming's efforts to supply Pakistan's unsafeguarded nuclear program with an aluminum production line that could assist Pakistan's development of an indigenous capability to manufacture uranium centrifuge components (refs B and C). For informational purposes, Washington would like to provide Embassy Beijing a copy of the interagency-cleared non-paper provided to DG Zhang. ¶2. (S/Rel China) Begin non-paper. -- We raised with your Government in January 2006 that Chinese national Gao Yiming was engaged in efforts to provide enrichment-related items to Pakistan's unsafeguarded nuclear program. -- In particular, we shared that Gao was coordinating the supply of an aluminum production line from China's Taiyuan Heavy Industry Company. -- We are troubled to have received reports that the transfer of this aluminum production line to Pakistan's unsafeguarded nuclear program continues to move forward. -- Our information indicates that Taiyuan Heavy Industry Company recently received a payment associated with the extrusion press contract and that the entities involved are now involved with preliminary shipping details. -- Additionally, another Chinese entity, China Nonferrous Metals Processing Technology (CNPT) Company, Ltd., is also involved in the transaction. CNPT is located at No. 1 Xiyuan Rd., Luoyang, Henan. -- We would also like to make you aware that the contract may identify the buyer of the equipment as a Pakistani metal works firm, rather than Pakistan's unsafeguarded nuclear program. -- We continue to be very concerned about the transfer of this aluminum production line to the recipient country's unsafeguarded nuclear program. As we shared with you in January, the production line could be used for the production of thick-walled aluminum tubes, which could assist the recipient country's development of an indigenous capability to manufacture uranium centrifuge components such as outer casings, molecular pumps, crash rings and cascade piping. -- The Basic Principle as prescribed in the NSG Guidelines asks NSG Participating Governments not to authorize transfers of items that would contribute to a nuclear explosive activity or an unsafeguarded nuclear fuel cycle activity or, in general, where there is an unacceptable risk of diversion to such an activity. We believe you would agree that the transfer to an unsafeguarded nuclear program of such an aluminum production line would meet this level of concern. -- We would also like to underscore our previously stated concerns that this transaction would be inconsistent with China's 1996 pledge to not assist unsafeguarded nuclear facilities anywhere. -- We urge you to re-double your efforts to act upon the additional information we have provided by taking aggressive steps to prevent this transfer from going forward. We are very seriously concerned that as the transfer proceeds, our window to stop this export is closing. We encourage you to make every effort to stop this transaction now. End non-paper. RICE

Niag 4130/6001: Additional Information On Pakistani Nuclear-related Procurement In China
 
And... wise-guy, who are you exactly?

and who are you exactly to tell what Pakistan is doing IS THE RIGHT THING? if you like turkey or if you are in turkey take the example of that country that is decent democracy in Arab countries and also in Asia! they didnt involve in such smuggling bullshit and you can see that they are now on the road to become nuclear power!
 
In this case the more burden comes on the countries who let the items to be smuggled due to their flawed and corrupt systems. Why don't they allow proper transfers under international safeguards for peaceful purposes.

look at AQ Khan what he did by selling the technology to other countries aur us waqt nuclear components import karnay par tab bhi ban laga hoa tha! imagine if they allow this transfer then what will happen! and dont say that AQ was not involved in nuclear trade! he was involved and get caught! anyhow we will first have to clear our image infront of the international community before asking IAEA to lift the bans that were imposed upon us!
 
look at AQ Khan what he did by selling the technology to other countries aur us waqt nuclear components import karnay par tab bhi ban laga hoa tha! imagine if they allow this transfer then what will happen! and dont say that AQ was not involved in nuclear trade! he was involved and get caught! anyhow we will first have to clear our image infront of the international community before asking IAEA to lift the bans that were imposed upon us!

Here is something good for your information about our neighbors and mind you the present established powers also acquired this technology in similar fashion.
http://ipripak.org/factfiles/ff97.pdf
 
Here is something good for your information about our neighbors and mind you the present established powers also acquired this technology in similar fashion.
http://ipripak.org/factfiles/ff97.pdf

brother yes you are right that our neighbours did the same but we are not talking about them we are talking about us! Our image was blurry when we started importing nuclear plant components in 80s and 90s but our image got shattered when international community got hold of the evidence that Pakistan is involved in selling our technology to iran, north korea and libya! since we are already in this deep **** our think thanks should consider to stop this import for clearing our image! that was what my perception is!
 
^^^^ Of course reputation doesnt matter right?

Think about why Pakistan is on the nuclear blacklist of most nations....China could suffer the same fate if it keeps violating international rules about nuclear (material and tech) trade.

hence the reason why i thanked him for his post, some common sense prevailing is a blessing indeed.

cant say really say so much for his peers who as they term it just don't gave a F**k, seriously delusional :cheesy:
 
Interesting. A precedent has been set now, I wonder if this will open the flood gates to more such cases.
 
Its not always about winning! For greater good Pakistan should stop smuggling banned components from America or other European countries or else we will be considered the biggest terrorist nation of the world due to the decision of our top brass!

It is always about the winning. No county is acquiring nuclear weapon just to show off. They will be used when the time comes.
And regarding terrorist nation if we go according to morals and rules then USA is the biggest terrorist nation. But no body says so because they have the biggest "stick". So we need to have our own stick as big as possible.
 
brother yes you are right that our neighbours did the same but we are not talking about them we are talking about us! Our image was blurry when we started importing nuclear plant components in 80s and 90s but our image got shattered when international community got hold of the evidence that Pakistan is involved in selling our technology to iran, north korea and libya! since we are already in this deep **** our think thanks should consider to stop this import for clearing our image! that was what my perception is!

I wish you would have read the qouted link, there is something about Indian support to Iran but I really dont have much of issues with that cause I believe in present day world rights and wrongs are not decided on moral grounds, there are so many other factors including economics, national interests of nations etc decide what is considered right or wrong. Why we should stop importing let the nations consider their exports.
 
^^^^ Of course reputation doesnt matter right?

Think about why Pakistan is on the nuclear blacklist of most nations....China could suffer the same fate if it keeps violating international rules about nuclear (material and tech) trade.

Care to explain 'most nations'??
 
Care to explain 'most nations'??

Unlike India which got an NSG waiver on nuclear trade, Pakistan is yet to receive the same...which translates to a blacklist, especially given that Pakistan does have a pretty stellar proliferation record

Hence, "most nations" = signatories of the NSG (thats quite a few countries; 46 including the P5)
 
Unlike India which got an NSG waiver on nuclear trade, Pakistan is yet to receive the same...which translates to a blacklist, especially given that Pakistan does have a pretty stellar proliferation record

Hence, "most nations" = signatories of the NSG (thats quite a few countries; 46 including the P5)

Lets focus on Pakistan and try to leave India out of this ok? When we do focus on Pakistan, we have to read up on what NSG terms state, whether all NSG signatories have to either accept/reject a country of a vote or veto. Only then can we consider NSG's decision. Furthermore, 46 countries out of a total of how many in the world? Does that still constitute 'most nations'?
 
^^^^ Of course reputation doesnt matter right?

Think about why Pakistan is on the nuclear blacklist of most nations....China could suffer the same fate if it keeps violating international rules about nuclear (material and tech) trade.

LOL, that sounds realistic... considering that we have veto in both the UNSC and the NSG. :P

We are already building nuclear power plants in Pakistan and no one cares.
 
Lets focus on Pakistan and try to leave India out of this ok? When we do focus on Pakistan, we have to read up on what NSG terms state, whether all NSG signatories have to either accept/reject a country of a vote or veto. Only then can we consider NSG's decision. Furthermore, 46 countries out of a total of how many in the world? Does that still constitute 'most nations'?

So you're just mad that I used the word "most nations"? Thats a bit obsessive...

anyways, if 46 isnt too many so be it...the point is, the world does take nuclear trade and issue of nuclear proliferation seriously...so such incidents do add up
 
LOL, that sounds realistic... considering that we have veto in both the UNSC and the NSG. :P

We are already building nuclear power plants in Pakistan and no one cares.

China cannot force countries into nuclear trade...so a veto means jack **** if a country such as the US or Australia decide to unilaterally put sanctions on nuclear trade with China..

As for the nuclear plants in Pakistan, we all know that its a one off slip through the cracks...China can no longer do so post construction of the last 2 reactors without violating NSG rules
 

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