Urdu should be replaced with Farsi - Interesting Read

[psychedelic_renegade]

sorry to burst the bubble, but linguistics don't actually consider hindi and urdu as two different languages, rather two different dialect of same language.

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[Ahmad]

I dont think Urdo and Hindi are different languages.

 

[alibaz]

How urdu is Persian dominated when every helping verb is from hindi/sanskrit?

Urdu is a Central Indo-Aryan language of the Indo-Iranian branch, belonging to the Indo-European family of languages. It is the national language and one of the two official languages (the other being English) of Pakistan. It is also one of the 22 scheduled languages of India and is an official language of five Indian states. Its vocabulary developed under Persian, Arabic, Turkic, Sanskrit and Pashto. Urdu was mainly developed in western Uttar Pradesh, India, which is the seat of Hindustani languages in the Indian Subcontinent, but began taking shape during the Delhi Sultanate as well as Mughal Empire (1526–1858) in South Asia. Urdu is the means of communication between the people from various provinces and regions of Pakistan. Due to historical affinities and a large number of Afghan refugees in Pakistan, Urdu is already read, understood and spoken by most Afghans.
Language scholars independently categorize Urdu as a standardized register of Hindustani (literally translated means belonging to Hindustan) termed the standard dialect Khariboli. The grammatical description in this article concerns this standard Urdu. In general, the term "Urdu" can encompass dialects of Hindustani other than the standardised versions. The original language of the Mughals was Chagatai, a Turkic language, but after their arrival in South Asia, they came to adopt Persian. Gradually, the need to communicate with local inhabitants led to a composition of Sanskrit derived languages, written in the Perso-Arabic script and with literary conventions and specialised vocabulary being retained from Persian, Arabic and Turkic; the new dialect was eventually given its own name of Urdu.
The word Urdu is believed to be derived from the Turkic or Mongolian word 'Ordu', which means army encampment. It was initially called Zabān-e-Ordu-e-Mu'alla "language of the Exalted Camp" (in Persian) and later just Urdu. It obtained its name from Urdu Bazar, i.e. encampment (Urdu in Turkic) market, the market near the Red Fort in the walled city of Delhi.
Standard Urdu has approximately the twentieth largest population of native speakers, among all languages.
Urdu is often contrasted with Hindi, another standardised form of Hindustani.The main differences between the two are that Standard Urdu is conventionally written in Nastaliq calligraphy style of the Perso-Arabic script and draws vocabulary more heavily from Persian and Arabic, while Standard Hindi is conventionally written in Devanāgarī and draws vocabulary from Sanskrit comparatively more heavily. Most linguists nonetheless consider Urdu and Hindi to be two standardized forms of the same language; others classify them separately , while some consider any differences to be sociolinguistic. It should be noted, however, that mutual intelligibility decreases in literary and specialized contexts. Furthermore, due to religious nationalism since the partition of British India and consequent continued communal tensions, native speakers of both Hindi and Urdu increasingly assert them to be completely distinct languages.




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[alibaz]

Urdu is the most sweetest language in the world. I often says it is not easy to swear in Urdu language. Pick any other language say English for example - you can be very rude and offend anybody easily - but in word - it is lacking swearing words and peoples always have tough time arguing with others

Urdu rules - Farsi can't replace this language whatsoever

But if you have to abuse someone there is no language better than Punjabi.

 

[alibaz]

Linguistically, there is no dispute that Hindi and Urdu are dialects of a single language, Hindustani/Hindi-Urdu. However, from a political perspective, there are pressures to classify them as separate languages. Those advocating this view point to the main differences between standard Urdu and standard Hindi:
the source of borrowed vocabulary;
the script used to write them (for Urdu, an adaptation of the Perso-Arabic script written in Nasta'liq style; for Hindi, an adaptation of the Devanagari script);
Urdu's use of five consonants borrowed from Persian script.


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[Waffen SS]

It is sorry to hear my countrymen impressed by the arabs and persians.

Then they say that we pakistanis lack nationalism and patriotism.

I admire JOSEPH STALIN and ADOLF HITLER not for their GENOCIDES but their EXTREME COMMITMENT TO THEIR NATIONS.

I wish we have a leader like ADOLF HITLER who can ruthlessly eliminate all those who are impressed by MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRIES.

Only Urdu + English and our own regional languages are acceptable.

To hell with our so-called BROTHERS which are of no use to us.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

It is sorry to hear my countrymen impressed by the arabs and persians.

Then they say that we pakistanis lack nationalism and patriotism.

I admire JOSEPH STALIN and ADOLF HITLER not for their GENOCIDES but their EXTREME COMMITMENT TO THEIR NATIONS.

I wish we have a leader like ADOLF HITLER who can ruthlessly eliminate all those who are impressed by MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRIES.

Only Urdu + English and our own regional languages are acceptable.

To hell with our so-called BROTHERS which are of no use to us.

Lol and shame at ur mentality........learning other lingos doesnt make u less nationalists........how many Pakistanis have u seen like tht on this forum?
Why english if we go on ur approach? r u english? or r u impressed with england???
About brothers n nation wat do u know of such things???
Ur the same guy who was talkin how muhajirs(ppl who came from india) were hated by others nd how ur muhajir ppl will join the killing machine>>>word u used for PAK ARMY?
P.S=Get some education nd a LIFE.

 

[Pasban]

It is sorry to hear my countrymen impressed by the arabs and persians.

I admire JOSEPH STALIN and ADOLF HITLER not for their GENOCIDES but their EXTREME COMMITMENT TO THEIR NATIONS.

I'm not Pakistani though I understand your nationalism but concerning what you said in the first quote above and then the second, a fellow disagreeing Pakistani could say that you too are admiring Georgians (Stalin was Georgian) and Germans by the same logic. Just pointing out to a misnomer. No offense intended

I wish we have a leader like ADOLF HITLER who can ruthlessly eliminate all those who are impressed by MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRIES.

I personally think "purist" tendencies carry a negative shadow on all nations that try to enact them for diversity in people is the real treasure of a state.

A side note, your avatar and user-name is not very nationalistic or representative towards Pakistan considering your above stated ultra-nationalistic views which contradict them.

 

[psychedelic_renegade]

However, from a political perspective, there are pressures to classify them as separate languages.

Which is rather sad, giving a language a political or communal aspect.

 

[Kambojaric]

Persian is no doubt a beautiful language and all but im glad we kept Urdu because Urdu truly represents the mix that the Muslims of North Hindustan are( the name in Mughal days for North India and Pakistan).

Urdu takes a bit from Persian, the great cultural language, a bit from arabic, the language of Islam, Turkic, the language of the kings AND mixes these three with the local languages. This mix truly represents the mix we Pakistanis are. Some are decendents of Persians, some of Arabs and most i would say are converted locals hence Urdu then is a perfect language for us!

 

[Kambojaric]

"sorry to burst the bubble, but linguistics don't actually consider hindi and urdu as two different languages, rather two different dialect of same language."

As ive said before normal day Urdu and Hindi are pretty much the same but when formal, more pompous language is used then they divert slightly and in my opinion do reach the point of a different language. However i agree that otherwise the two are pretty much the same language.

 

[afg]

Can someone repost the article, as its now gone. As for Urdu being 90% Farsi, incorrect. Urdu is 60% DARI, Dari being the Persian spoken in Afghanistan and Farsi being the Persian spoken in Iran. Dari was the main language in the area today called Pakistan but the British decided to change it to Urdu.

 

[Nahraf]

Mullah and his ideology made sure he would kill culture in Pakistan and he, Mullah, killed film industry in Pakistan.

Some people have on track mind and just find one excuse for all their failings. Pakistan film industry were making films that were either copied from Bollywood or some about prostitutes. The investors/producers/directors in Pakistan had one goal to make money by making slutty films. You could not watch some films with your family. The Pashtun films were even worse. Nobody made artistic films that would have been successful at the box office. Talented people find hundred ways of making films that are masterpieces and others just have excuses. The Iranian film industry is also monitored by Muslim clergy but it has won many international awards.

 

[serenader]

I think that Urdu's arabic script should be replaced with Roman Script, it would make things a hell of a lot easier, as well as drastically increase our competitiveness in the world market.

Keep your stupid roman script to yourself. Charte sooraj ki poojari badbakht.

 

[Durrak]

Can someone repost the article, as its now gone. As for Urdu being 90% Farsi, incorrect. Urdu is 60% DARI, Dari being the Persian spoken in Afghanistan and Farsi being the Persian spoken in Iran. Dari was the main language in the area today called Pakistan but the British decided to change it to Urdu.

urdu language is a mixture of seven languages