Turkish Peace Operations in Syria (Operation Olive Branch) Updates & Discussions

[LeGenD]

funny how Obama has created more chaos than Bush. toppling Libya and destroying Syria has led to millions of refugees/immigrants flooding into Europe. you think this is just a neocon agenda?? both sides are working for the interests of Israel.

Osama Bing Laden was a CIA/Mossad agent and you can bet the leadership of ISIS are CIA/Mossad agents as well.

Osama Bin Laden was as much as CIA/Mossad agent as leadership of ISIS appears to be - zero percent.

Here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/03/osama-bin-laden-10-myths-cia-arsenal

US have expended billions of dollars to assassinate Osama Bin Laden and dismantle Al-Qaeda Network since 2001.

US is now expending billions of dollars to defeat ISIS and assassinate Abu Bakar al-Baghdadi.

Yellow journalism is responsible for fanning confusion and promoting disinformation across the world in recent years and this will have serious ramifications for state-to-state relations in the future. It is becoming increasingly important for every individual to do some homework in regards to important developments that affect us all.

 

[C130]

Osama Bin Laden was as much as CIA/Mossad agent as leadership of ISIS appears to be - zero percent.

Here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/03/osama-bin-laden-10-myths-cia-arsenal

US have expended billions of dollars to assassinate Osama Bin Laden and dismantle Al-Qaeda Network since 2001.

US is now expending billions of dollars to defeat ISIS and assassinate Abu Bakar al-Baghdadi.

Yellow journalism is responsible for fanning confusion and promoting disinformation across the world in recent years and this will have serious ramifications for state-to-state relations in the future. It is becoming increasingly important for every individual to do some homework in regards to important developments that affect us all.

you really should look into Bill Cooper he knew what was up

Osama Bin Laden along with the whole Saudi family are pro Israel. Saud main nemesis isn't Israel but Iran.

Just like the creation of Israel was planned for decades, so has destroying Iran,Iraq,Syria going back to the 1980's. It's all to create a Greater Israel and Greater Saudi Arabia. I believe Turkey and Egypt will get a slice as well.

 

[Orez]

YPG is not PKK and has no interest in the affairs of PPK across the border in Turkey. Read this piece:

You're joking right ? Only the title say it all "Amid the war against the Islamic State, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is bombing our villages and soldiers on an entirely false pretense."

Of course YPG or YPG's partisant will pretend they are not PKK to permit western country which consider PKK's like terrorist to give them weapons and support.

But can you please think for yourself ? Why YPG was not create while PKK had good relationship with Syria? Syrian's kurd didn't even had the right to be citizen before this civil war, yet the YPG didn't exist to protect the Kurdish right. They was create only after PKK was not welcome in Syria anymore.

Even then "YPG" never fight against Syria's govt, certainly for the same reason that PKK didn't fight against Irak despite having their fucking mane base in Kandil. They simply knew that fighting Syria/Irak would be a disaster when their bigger foe was always Turkey, and of course the fact Syria/Irak tolerated them helped.

And how hell YPG become so good at fighting ? Can you think about that too ? If PKK and YPG are two different group then YPG had 0 experience before Syria's civil war, and yet they suprisingly become the most efficient group in Syria.

This logic is not enought ? Then simply knew that YPG is KCK group. KCK which consider Occalan (the founder of PKK) like their leader.

Hell even PYD's leader make a speech in Germany behind Occalan's photo....and yet people dare to pretend that YPG are not linked to PKK.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

200 Iraqis of ethnic Turkmen background executed in Tal afar today by IS, a result of erdogans barking which forced the PMU to delay the operation and wait for the army to take over after they finish in Mosul.

 

[Baybars Han]

I have done my homework.

YPG is not PKK and has no interest in the affairs of PPK across the border in Turkey. Read this piece: http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/15/syrias-kurds-are-not-the-pkk-erdogan-pyd-ypg/

PKK-based elements might have taken refuge in YPG-dominated regions of Syria but Tayyip Erdogan is risking a much wider conflict by lumping YPG and PKK together in his strategic calculus. Please keep in mind that YPG is a much larger and better armed force than PKK and Operation Euphrates Shield will worsen the situation.

Learn more from here: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33690060

YPG is playing a big role in US-led "war effort" against ISIS in Syria on the ground in current times. However, Turkish thrusts into YPG-dominated regions have infuriated YPG to the extent that it might call off its offensive against ISIS in Raqqa.

If YPG pulls out from "war effort" against ISIS - what is the alternative? You cannot defeat ISIS with air strikes only. You need boots on the ground.


Hopefully not.

However, you need to "control" Erdogan. There is right time for every kind of fight.

Defeat of ISIS should be top priority right now. YPG can be addressed later.


My friend,

That footage is in reference to neocon agenda of Bush administration.

ISIS is a different beast and you are connecting wrong dots. ISIS will go after Iran (and US) - this is the difference.

Hahaha, sorry but i made a mistake even quoting you previously thinking you had some knowledge.

After you say ypg is not pkk is just laughable. YPG, HDG, KCK and they have 200 different synonyms is the same thing as pkk. So if tomorow taliban starts a group in Uzbekistan and calls themselves kaliban they are going to be different. Everyone knows pkk and ypg is the same thing, that is not even debatable.

 

[blondeturkish]

I have done my homework.

YPG is not PKK and has no interest in the affairs of PPK across the border in Turkey. Read this piece: http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/15/syrias-kurds-are-not-the-pkk-erdogan-pyd-ypg/

PKK-based elements might have taken refuge in YPG-dominated regions of Syria but Tayyip Erdogan is risking a much wider conflict by lumping YPG and PKK together in his strategic calculus. Please keep in mind that YPG is a much larger and better armed force than PKK and Operation Euphrates Shield will worsen the situation.

Learn more from here: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33690060

YPG is playing a big role in US-led "war effort" against ISIS in Syria on the ground in current times. However, Turkish thrusts into YPG-dominated regions have infuriated YPG to the extent that it might call off its offensive against ISIS in Raqqa.

If YPG pulls out from "war effort" against ISIS - what is the alternative? You cannot defeat ISIS with air strikes only. You need boots on the ground.


Hopefully not.

However, you need to "control" Erdogan. There is right time for every kind of fight.

Defeat of ISIS should be top priority right now. YPG can be addressed later.


My friend,

That footage is in reference to neocon agenda of Bush administration.

ISIS is a different beast and you are connecting wrong dots. ISIS will go after Iran (and US) - this is the difference.

yup ypg will be addressed later. thats for sure. after raqqa operation there will be no more isis to fight, we will go straight in and completly massacare them. lets see who is going to stand in our way.

 

[LeGenD]

Hahaha, sorry but i made a mistake even quoting you previously thinking you had some knowledge.

After you say ypg is not pkk is just laughable. YPG, HDG, KCK and they have 200 different synonyms is the same thing as pkk. So if tomorow taliban starts a group in Uzbekistan and calls themselves kaliban they are going to be different. Everyone knows pkk and ypg is the same thing, that is not even debatable.

Bro,

Taliban is also an umbrella term for different groups in Afghanistan and Pakistan - all of them swore allegiance to Mullah Omar (deceased). However, these groups are not on the same page in certain matters.

Some groups operate in Afghanistan mostly (being Afghans) and do not attack Pakistani forces. TTP is notorious for attacking Pakistani forces conversely and it comprises of Pakistani nationals in large part. However, cooperation between TTP and Afghan Taliban groups is an open-secret on ideological grounds [within Afghanistan] since TTP fighters could slip into Afghanistan anytime without facing resistance from Afghan Taliban groups and there are stories of even double-agents among Taliban.

However, why would Pakistan go after Afghan Taliban groups - operating in Afghanistan mostly - and widen the scope of conflict and problems for itself unnecessary? My state wisely restrained itself in this matter.

Story of YPG and PKK seems to be similar with YPG being a Syrian development in large part but difference is that Tayyip Erdogan has widened the scope of conflict with Kurds in general which is ill-advised under present circumstances since ISIS is benefitting from such operations. Here: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33690060

YPG is 25 million strong and dwarfs PKK in capabilities as a force and reach. If you think bombs and Tanks can address your grievences with it - be my guest. You don't understand the rammifications at this stage and your attacks are not having the desired impact.

Should, Kurd (actually) unite against Turkey across all regions - this would be a nightmare scenario for Turkey to contend with and we will be hearing news of devastating attacks in Turkey on daily basis. Bombing radicalize people - try to understand this simple fact. Don't push your luck and always question the motives of your leaders outside your borders.

States that do not 'critic' their leaders - are doomed to make moves that they will regret at a later stage. I leave the rest to your good judgement.

 

[Fenasi Kerim]

YPG is 25 million strong and dwarfs PKK in capabilities as a force and reach. If you think bombs and Tanks can address your grievences with it - be my guest. You don't understand the rammifications at this stage and your attacks are not having the desired impact.

Should, Kurd (actually) unite against Turkey across all regions - this would be a nightmare scenario for Turkey to contend with and we will be hearing news of devastating attacks in Turkey on daily basis. Bombing radicalize people - try to understand this simple fact. Don't push your luck and always question the motives of your leaders outside your borders

Stopped at about "YPG is 25 million strong" what is this the Chinese army?

Get a reality check, maybe educate yourself on the Turkish - PKK conflict.

 

[LeGenD]

Stopped at about "YPG is 25 million strong" what is this the Chinese army?

Get a reality check, maybe educate yourself on the Turkish - PKK conflict.

You guys react unnecessarily. I mentioned the 'population size' of Syrian Kurd. It may not be exactly 25 million strong but YPG is much larger than PKK.

YPG militia had 60,000 fighters in 2016 and it is expected to reach 100,000 mark by the end of this year. 25 million is a large pool to draw fighters from, don't you think?

In regards to PKK - do as you please. I just pointed out some 'problems' for Turkish intervention in Syria in friendly manner.

 

[GlobalMillitary96]

You guys react unnecessarily. I mentioned the 'population size' of Syrian Kurd. It may not be as big but YPG is much larger than PKK in size.

YPG militia had 60,000 fighters in 2016 and it is expanding in size. 25 million is a large pool to draw fighters from.

25 million? Dude there's like 2.5 million max in Syria...

 

[LeGenD]

25 million? Dude there's like 2.5 million max in Syria...

Fair.

I might have missed the dot.

 

[-SINAN-]

YPG is 25 million strong

Lol, i love it when foreigners try to educate us about our problems.

 

[LeGenD]

Lol, i love it when foreigners try to educate us about our problems.

My bad....apologies for that mistake. However, my mistake doesn't takes away from the argument at hand:

Kurd have presence in different states namely Syria, Turkey, Iraq and Iran and they are known to cooperate with each other, should need arise (KCK is an example). Now, this is a large pool to draw fighters from.

I do not deny affiliation of YPG with PKK:

However, YPG is a Syrian political entity and it is operating in Syria only (various assessments affirm this). YPG has an important role in NATO-led "war effort" against ISIS on the ground in Syria because it has a large and capable militia and is credited for routing ISIS from various regions under the cover of NATO air power.

Turkish grievances with PKK are genuine since the latter's call for independence is WRONG - Turkey should not be split. However, Turkey is risking a wider confrontation with Kurd by targeting YPG in Syria and Operation Euphrates Shield appears to be ill-timed due to ISIS factor. Non-hostile Kurd factions are not happy with this situation.

ISIS [has] put sufficient pressure on YPG to draw fighters from adjoining areas for its survival - Tayyip Erdogan needs to understand this situation and exercise restraint because his intervention might derail NATO-led "war effort" against ISIS in Syria with YPG threatening to pull out while being subjected to attacks from Turkish armed forces.

Syrian mess cannot be sorted out with so many regional conflicts and clashes proceeding in parallel. Defeat of ISIS should be top priority for all regional players at the moment. Once ISIS is out of the picture, you may pressure US to disband YPG.

I won't say more in this matter. Please keep in mind that I think positively for Turkey and wish it success.

References:

https://www.newsdeeply.com/syria/co...view-the-ypg-pkk-and-turkeys-options-in-syria
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...islamic-state-enter-syria-stronghold-of-raqqa
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/20602
http://www.nrttv.com/en/Details.aspx?Jimare=14156

 

[SouI]

However, YPG is a Syrian political entity and it is operating in Syria only (various assessments affirm this).

Stop spewing obvious lies. In VICE's video there is FOOTAGE of YPG fighters (who proudly claimed to be from YPG while showing their YPG membership cards in front of the cameras) actively fighting WITH LIVE AMMONUTION against police officers IN TURKEY!


DONT WASTE OUR TIME!

 

[-SINAN-]

My bad....apologies for that mistake. However, my mistake doesn't takes away from the argument at hand:

Kurd have presence in different states namely Syria, Turkey, Iraq and Iran and they are known to cooperate with each other, should need arise (KCK is an example). Now, this is a large pool to draw fighters from.

I do not deny affiliation of YPG with PKK:

However, YPG is a Syrian political entity and it is operating in Syria only (various assessments affirm this). YPG has an important role in NATO-led "war effort" against ISIS on the ground in Syria because it has a large and capable militia and is credited for routing ISIS from various regions under the cover of NATO air power.

Turkish grievances with PKK are genuine since the latter's call for independence is WRONG - Turkey should not be split. However, Turkey is risking a wider confrontation with Kurd by targeting YPG in Syria and Operation Euphrates Shield appears to be ill-timed due to ISIS factor. Non-hostile Kurd factions are not happy with this situation.

ISIS [has] put sufficient pressure on YPG to draw fighters from adjoining areas for its survival - Tayyip Erdogan needs to understand this situation and exercise restraint because his intervention might derail NATO-led "war effort" against ISIS in Syria with YPG threatening to pull out while being subjected to attacks from Turkish armed forces.

Syrian mess cannot be sorted out with so many regional conflicts and clashes proceeding in parallel. Defeat of ISIS should be top priority for all regional players at the moment. Once ISIS is out of the picture, you may pressure US to disband YPG.

I won't say more in this matter. Please keep in mind that I think positively for Turkey and wish it success.

References:

https://www.newsdeeply.com/syria/co...view-the-ypg-pkk-and-turkeys-options-in-syria
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...islamic-state-enter-syria-stronghold-of-raqqa
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/20602
http://www.nrttv.com/en/Details.aspx?Jimare=14156

I'm not questioning your positive view of the Turkey. However this issue is much more complex and have 30 years of history (if you count the Kurdish rebellions in the history nearly 200 years). This not an issue that you can grasp the whole situation by reading some articles on the net.