Turkish military helicopter shot down by PKK Terrorists

[SSGcommandoPAK]

"Six Turkish soldiers were killed on Friday in a clash with Kurdish militants in Turkish Kurdistan, the southeast of the country, while two more lost their lives when a military helicopter sent to the scene crashed, the army said.

The six troops were killed and eight others wounded in fighting with members of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) near a military base in the Cukurca district of Hakkari province."

They shot down a Turkish Cobra and no Turkish retaliation ?
RIP

 

[Bilad al-Haramayn]

@Bilad al-Haramayn

Whats up with the pkk in arab countries, should we pass this one because of erdogan hate?

First of all, I am not sure if I understand your post but let me try to give you an answer.

PKK was founded in Turkey in 1978 by a Turkish Kurd. So that organization or its members have nothing to do with Arabs.

Kurds only live in 2 Arab countries out of over 20 Arab countries. Syria, where they number around 2 million people and live in a relatively small part of Syria and Iraq where they number around 6 million people. There they live in "Iraqi Kurdistan".

Before the Syrian Civil War began in 2011 Kurds in Syria played no political role whatsoever and I don't recall any Kurdish groups in Syria operating such as YPG which was founded in 2011.

In Iraq, Kurds have been in conflict with the Iraqi state since the 1940's. In 1946 KDP was founded. The conflict culminated during the Iraq-Iran war (1980-1988) and events in the early 1990's. Due to those events the West (USA) imposed a no-fly zone in current day Northern Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan and since that period Kurds have basically been independent de facto. Turkey is actually the main sponsor of Barzani and Iraqi Kurdistan. So if you want to defeat Kurds in Turkey you should not help Kurds (KDP) in Northern Iraq or wonder why PKK escapes into neighboring Northern Iraq.

Simiarily Kurds have fought for independence in Iran since 1918.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_separatism_in_Iran

My opinion, which only evolves around events in Iraq and Syria, is that the Kurds can have autonomy in Syria but that they have to choose between either becoming truly independent (and don't continue to be leeches in Iraq) or continue to be a part of Iraq as a federal state but not under the current circumstances and certainly not when Kurdish militias/terrorist groups are targeting Arab, Assyrian and Turkmen civilians and land in Northern Iraq.

Anyway Kurds are divided based on tribal, linguistic, political, historical and geographical lines so I highly doubt that there will ever be a independent Kurdistan in all 4 countries. Between 1994-1997 there was even a Kurdish Civil War in Northern Iraq that killed thousands upon thousands of people.

Turkish-Kurdish hostilities/wars is not my business or that of Arabs. I can have my own opinions but they are irrelevant. Anyway I believe in strong central states in the ME as the last thing the region needs is further fragmentation of nation state so I think that you can guess where I stand in this regard.

Lastly among the 450 million or so Arabs, outside of Iraq and Syria, hardly anyone knows that a people called Kurds exist let alone know much about them. In KSA we have a few people of Kurdish origin (often going under the surname al-Kurdi) in Hijaz but that's about it. I think they can be counted in the few 1000's. Almost all of them have adopted Arabic culture fully and mixed with locals. I must say that we luckily do not have ethnic tension inside KSA or a "Kurdish problem". The benefits of being a homogenous country which most Arab states are.

If there was a "Kurdish terrorism problem" in KSA there would be no terrorist Kurds left in KSA. That would have happened in Iraq as well had Saddam Hussein not been stopped by the West. Arabs deal with such "issues" differently than anyone else, if you know what I mean....

 

[Malik Alashter]

Wow, what a shot.

These missiles are hell no escape zone.

R.I.P

the crew .

 

[Oublious]

Why its bothering you when someone speak about the kurds in your country on the other hands many of your scumbags support the turk minorities in the other countries why the hypocrisy and double standard

Why are you talking about double standard and hypocrisy? Go stop export terrorism to the world. From Africo to Asia, we are finished. Stop with fabricating minorities who don't existence in Yeman and Syria. Nigeria, Malaysia and a lot of other muslim countries.

First of all, I am not sure if I understand your post but let me try to give you an answer.

PKK was founded in Turkey in 1978 by a Turkish Kurd. So that organization or its members have nothing to do with Arabs.

Kurds only live in 2 Arab countries out of over 20 Arab countries. Syria, where they number around 2 million people and live in a relatively small part of Syria and Iraq where they number around 6 million people. There they live in "Iraqi Kurdistan".

Before the Syrian Civil War began in 2011 Kurds in Syria played no political role whatsoever and I don't recall any Kurdish groups in Syria operating such as YPG which was founded in 2011.

In Iraq, Kurds have been in conflict with the Iraqi state since the 1940's. In 1946 KDP was founded. The conflict culminated during the Iraq-Iran war (1980-1988) and events in the early 1990's. Due to those events the West (USA) imposed a no-fly zone in current day Northern Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan and since that period Kurds have basically been independent de facto. Turkey is actually the main sponsor of Barzani and Iraqi Kurdistan. So if you want to defeat Kurds in Turkey you should not help Kurds (KDP) in Northern Iraq or wonder why PKK escapes into neighboring Northern Iraq.

Simiarily Kurds have fought for independence in Iran since 1918.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_separatism_in_Iran

My opinion, which only evolves around events in Iraq and Syria, is that the Kurds can have autonomy in Syria but that they have to choose between either becoming truly independent (and don't continue to be leeches in Iraq) or continue to be a part of Iraq as a federal state but not under the current circumstances and certainly not when Kurdish militias/terrorist groups are targeting Arab, Assyrian and Turkmen civilians and land in Northern Iraq.

Anyway Kurds are divided based on tribal, linguistic, political, historical and geographical lines so I highly doubt that there will ever be a independent Kurdistan in all 4 countries. Between 1994-1997 there was even a Kurdish Civil War in Northern Iraq that killed thousands upon thousands of people.

Turkish-Kurdish hostilities/wars is not my business or that of Arabs. I can have my own opinions but they are irrelevant. Anyway I believe in strong central states in the ME as the last thing the region needs is further fragmentation of nation state so I think that you can guess where I stand in this regard.

Lastly among the 450 million or so Arabs, outside of Iraq and Syria, hardly anyone knows that a people called Kurds exist let alone know much about them. In KSA we have a few people of Kurdish origin (often going under the surname al-Kurdi) in Hijaz but that's about it. I think they can be counted in the few 1000's. Almost all of them have adopted Arabic culture fully and mixed with locals. I must say that we luckily do not have ethnic tension inside KSA or a "Kurdish problem". The benefits of being a homogenous country which most Arab states are.

What good will fragmention bring in the middle east? As you can see iraq is a mess and syria is a different story.

 

[Oublious]

That's exactly what I was saying. Did you not read my post?

It is a bit late, maybe i didn't understand it but for sure i couldn't find it. I wil read it tommorow againg ahahah, but mine question is not answered. Let me ask it againg, what is current opinion of the arabs about the situation. We are talking about PKK not Kurds, you can't talk about Kurds against Turkey generally. As you can read it Kuwaiti girl is talking about dividing a country, what is the current opinion of the Arabs about PKK(not Kurds) against Turkey.

 

[Bilad al-Haramayn]

It is a bit late, maybe i didn't understand it but for sure i couldn't find it. I wil read it tommorow againg ahahah, but mine question is not answered. Let me ask it againg, what is current opinion of the arabs about the situation. We are talking about PKK not Kurds, you can't talk about Kurds against Turkey generally. As you can read it Kuwaiti girl is talking about dividing a country, what is the current opinion of the Arabs about PKK(not Kurds) against Turkey.

You should read my post, which admittedly is long, tomorrow morning if you are too tired now.

The user "Kuwaiti Girl" is a Kuwaiti citizen but not of Arab origin. She has her own opinions as a grown-up person and like every other user here only speaks for herself.

I can't speak for the 450 million or so Arabs but rest assured that most support the integrity of the Turkish state and the vast, vast majority are against PKK. I am talking about those who even know what PKK is in the first place as I suspect that most do not know what PKK is. If you asked people in KSA what PKK is most would not know what it is, lol. Even if they did not commit terrorism almost everyone in KSA would be against them merely due to their communist ideology.

 

[T-Rex]

sad to see muslims killing each other and both sides raising slogans of " Allah o akbar".

Kurd terrorists do not say Allahu Akbar, they are mostly atheists and at times not so atheists. They say God bless America in the morning and long live Putin the great at night.

As long as ISIS targets enemy combatants and avoids targeting civilians, then there's nothing wrong about that.

The problem with ISIS is that it targets innocent civilians as well.

We have plenty of evidence indicating assad forces using chemical weapons and berrel bombs against civilians.

 

[C130]

this could become a turkey shoot.


Russia could get it's revenge on Turkey by supplying PKK with advance MANPADS, just like the U.S did the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.

 

[T-Rex]

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Targeting enemy combatants in wartime is not an act of terrorism. That's all that matters.

In this case, the PKK didn't target innocent Turkish civilians.

This time they didn't but before this civilians were killed by their indiscriminate bombings in Ankara and Istanbul. So I say PKK and its affiliates are terrorist scums.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

sad to see muslims killing each other and both sides raising slogans of " Allah o akbar".

Muslims have fought with each other from the beginning of Islam. there is nothing new. this is political issue and PKK is resorting to terrorism.

the grief should be for the loss of humanity NOT muslim... its the thinking like this that "non-Muslims" are relieved to see that Muslims fight with each other and leave them in peace.

to be a good Muslim one must become a good human being first and respect life a gift of his Creator.

rest in peace to Turkish crew .. may their bodies be repatriated as soon as possible to their loved ones.

this could become a turkey shoot.


Russia could get it's revenge on Turkey by supplying PKK with advance MANPADS, just like the U.S did the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.

but hurting Turkey wont have the same effect like America did in Afghanistan against the Soviets.
best thing the Americans can do (and maybe doing ) is supplying anti Asad rebels with anti air and anti armour weapons while Russian forces are present in Syria and Russians might provide weapons to Haqqani network in Afghanistan .. but this policy will only help terrorists in the end
stop these proxy wars please

 

[Sparkle229]

RIP to the fallen soldiers,may ALLAH grant you paradise in the hereafter

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

It is a bit late, maybe i didn't understand it but for sure i couldn't find it. I wil read it tommorow againg ahahah, but mine question is not answered. Let me ask it againg, what is current opinion of the arabs about the situation. We are talking about PKK not Kurds, you can't talk about Kurds against Turkey generally. As you can read it Kuwaiti girl is talking about dividing a country, what is the current opinion of the Arabs about PKK(not Kurds) against Turkey.

I'm neither for nor against the breakup of your country. All I'm saying is that the Kurds should have the right to decide their future for themselves. Self-determination is a universal and fundamental human right. That's the best solution for ending the constant violence.

Personally speaking, I'm an advocate of regional integration. I'm a huge fan of supranational unions / continental unions / superstates.

 

[HAIDER]

Kurd terrorists do not say Allahu Akbar, they are mostly atheists and at times not so atheists. They say God bless America in the morning and long live Putin the great at night.



We have plenty of evidence indicating assad forces using chemical weapons and berrel bombs against civilians.

What you mean ....PKK was form by Turkish govt long ago ? . Against who or what was political motive behind that ?

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

We have plenty of evidence indicating assad forces using chemical weapons and berrel bombs against civilians.

Which is wrong and unjustifiable. All warring factions must focus exclusively on enemy combatants. Civilians must never be targeted.

This time they didn't but before this civilians were killed by their indiscriminate bombings in Ankara and Istanbul. So I say PKK and its affiliates are terrorist scums.

The terrorist attacks in Ankara and Istanbul were carried out by another organization -- not the PKK.

The PKK has only targeted security personnel since July 2015.

 

[Desert Fox]

You are Iranian false flagger simple as that.

As far as enemy well what enemy ? anyone committing treason against own country is punishable by death in almost all countries

Whatever she is, lets not resort to ad hominem. She does, however, make a valid point. What do Pakistanis think of the Afghan Mujahideen who targeted Soviet Army and their Afghan Communist Allies in the 1980's? Or better yet, are Kashmiri Freedom Fighters terrorists for targeting Indian occupational forces??

BTW, i'm not pro-Kurdish, i support Turkey because they are one of our greatest allies, but @Kuwaiti Girl does make a valid point that in this case combatants targeting combatants is not terrorism.

"Six Turkish soldiers were killed on Friday in a clash with Kurdish Terrorists in Turkish Kurdistan, the southeast of the country, while two more lost their lives when a military helicopter sent to the scene crashed, the army said.

The six troops were killed and eight others wounded in fighting with members of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) near a military base in the Cukurca district of Hakkari province."