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[Worf]

Since I'm in the belief that God's Law is in fact Nature's Law (evolution, gravity...etc.) that statement would be true, since not one human Empire or Government has stood the test of time.

Nice way to look at it; very convenient as it acknowledges science; yet 'natures law', as you put it, contradicts all human religions. Many could look at this sole fact and say 'well there is no way earth religions are true'. I'm not denying that there might be higher beings (as in not a god) in our universe, but i really doubt they would have manifested there existence to humans as a religion.
Also, I'm assuming you believe in the big bang too. You can not create Order (what religion states currently), from chaos (explosion), such as the big bang. How do you explain that bro?

 

[LegionnairE]

Since I'm in the belief that God's Law is in fact Nature's Law (evolution, gravity...etc.) that statement would be true, since not one human Empire or Government has stood the test of time.

that'd be true, if all abrahamic religions weren't in denial of scientific facts...
of course, they are in denial today, originally they were just ignorant.

By your description the god's law would be the string theory aka. M theory

or maybe the standard model would be the god's law... proverbial god of course not an actual god

there's as much evidence to the existence of god as there's evidence to the existence of easter bunny... or the dragonborn!

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

Nice way to look at it; very convenient as it acknowledges science; yet 'natures law', as you put it, contradicts all human religions. Many could look at this sole fact and say 'well there is no way earth religions are true'. I'm not denying that there might be higher beings (as in not a god) in our universe, but i really doubt they would have manifested there existence to humans as a religion.

Deism rejects Revelations and any form of Divine Intervention.

Also, I'm assuming you believe in the big bang too. You can not create Order (what religion states currently), from chaos (explosion), such as the big bang. How do you explain that bro?

Order is anthropocentric, an illusion, same as the illusion of Control and Dominion. Chaos also doesn't mean explosion, it means disorder, formless, void, abyss...

that'd be true, if all abrahamic religions weren't in denial of scientific facts...

By your description the god's law would be the string theory aka. M theory

or maybe the standard model would be the god's law... proverbial god of course not an actual god

there's as much evidence to the existence of god as there's evidence to the existence of easter bunny... or the dragonborn!

Typical atheist is just like Abrahamic Religion, can't accept a God that is non-anthropocentric and non intervering, for you to consider it a God it must have emotions, it must have a humanoid form, it must go against science....

Chaos is a Greek God, the Primeval Void / Abyss,....Quite similar to the Quantum Vacuum.

Why can't you accept that God is not Anthropocentric? Too much hatred of Organized Religion?

Deism is a term, created during the 17th century scientific revolution...However the Deist ideology can be seen with Xenophanes of Colophon and possibly others before him.

 

[LegionnairE]

Typical atheist is just like Abrahamic Religion, can't accept a God that is non-anthropocentric and non intervering, for you to consider it a God it must have emotions, it must have a humanoid form, it must go against science....

Chaos is a Greek God, the Primeval Void / Abyss,....Quite similar to the Quantum Vacuum.

Why can't you accept that God is not Anthropocentric? Too much hatred of Organized Religion?

Deism is a term, created during the 17th century scientific revolution...However the Deist ideology can be seen with Xenophanes of Colophon and possibly others before him.

What's the point if I accept that or not? a non interfering god is as irrelevant as a non interfering cthulhu...
Who cares if it exists or not? It's like schrödinger's cat who cares if it's alive?

and my second point is that there's no evidence that it exists.
there's no need for it to exist

There will always be a border between what's known and unknown to humans.
We now think that there's a multiverse beyond our observable universe and hyperspace
We don't know what's beyond that... maybe we will know that someday.
But If we fill every goddamn hole with god then we won't research
that's my third point

I want your full curiousity
so that you may discover something someday and push our horizon into the unknown a bit further
mere idea of god is harmful to that.

BTW I used to think that way too...
back when I was still muslim-ish
god prerofming miracles for our petty needs seemed like bullshit to me
so I'm not judging you

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

But If we fill every goddamn hole with god then we won't research
that's my third point

I think the opposite way. Even in science they say that before the Universe there was nothing and a lot of people are satisfied with that and simply stop going further. If that were true, why does the Quantum vacuum have so much energy. I don't see God as something to just fill in a gap/or hole, I see it as something that needs to be defined without myths and anthropocentric ideas. I do believe M-Theory is God's Law and that we must find out what it is and how it works. But we can't stop there either.

 

[Worf]

I think the opposite way. Even in science they say that before the Universe there was nothing and a lot of people are satisfied with that and simply stop going further. If that were true, why does the Quantum vacuum have so much energy. I don't see God as something to just fill in a gap/or hole, I see it as something that needs to be defined without myths and anthropocentric ideas. I do believe M-Theory is God's Law and that we must find out what it is and how it works. But we can't stop there either.

1. Humans evolved in this universe, which suggests that it is very difficult for people to accept nothingness before time; we are not made to understand these concepts. This is the reason why physics is one of the hardest disciplines out there.

2. Do you have a physics major, as you are taking about a quantum vacuum having so much energy and then directly relating that to an existence of god. This is not something a man of science will do.

 

[LegionnairE]

I think the opposite way. Even in science they say that before the Universe there was nothing and a lot of people are satisfied with that and simply stop going further. If that were true, why does the Quantum vacuum have so much energy. I don't see God as something to just fill in a gap/or hole, I see it as something that needs to be defined without myths and anthropocentric ideas. I do believe M-Theory is God's Law and that we must find out what it is and how it works. But we can't stop there either.

we think it's residual radiation from the big bang.

We don't think there was nothing before the big bang anymore.
We think hyperspace and multiverse were still there and big bang was a mere birth of our universe from another even greater universe.

It's the theory anyway

2. Do you have a physics major, as you are taking about a quantum vacuum having so much energy and then directly relating that to an existence of god. This is not something a man of science will do.

It's not that much energy dude.

Absolute zero is -273 celsius degrees... and empty space is about -270 degrees. That's really minor radiation.
The same radiation can even be felt and measured here on Earth.

 

[Worf]

we think it's residual radiation from the big bang.

We don't think there was nothing before the big bang anymore.
We think hyperspace and multiverse were still there and big bang was a mere birth of our universe from another even greater universe.

It's the theory anyway


It's not that much energy dude.

Absolute zero is -273 celsius degrees... and empty space is about -270 degrees. That's really minor radiation.
The same radiation can even be felt and measured here on Earth.

I'm fully aware, its just i tend to see people justifying religion using misunderstood and incomplete science; thats what i don't like....

 

[LegionnairE]

I'm fully aware, its just i tend to see people justifying religion using misunderstood and incomplete science; thats what i don't like....

Sometimes I think... what if god is the real evil? and devil is the good guy?

think about it...

God lied to us, brought us religion to make us act like assholes to win the bet against the devil.
maybe the real test of life is to not believe his bullshit.
and satan is sitting somewhere watching if we fall for it.

why not

 

[Worf]

Sometimes I think... what if god is the real evil? and devil is the good guy?

think about it...

God lied to us, brought us religion to make us act like assholes to win the bet against the devil.
maybe the real test of life is to not believe his bullshit.
and satan is sitting somewhere watching if we fall for it.

why not

Then everyone is fukkedd xD

 

[mpk1988]

Another thing I've seen is that the big major religion comes to a region and then absolutely destroy the innate culture of that area. The last girl I dated from Ingushetia said the same thing.. They had their own customs and amazing little intricacies.. Enter big bad organized religion and puff.. Gone.. Why can't you just keep your damn religion to yourself and die with.. Why force it down others throats?

Anyway, how did the topic veer to religion from Turkish election results? Erdogan has mellowed and is not as "sultan"'ish as before.. Right?

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

Sometimes I think... what if god is the real evil? and devil is the good guy?

think about it...

God lied to us, brought us religion to make us act like assholes to win the bet against the devil.
maybe the real test of life is to not believe his bullshit.
and satan is sitting somewhere watching if we fall for it.

why not

That would be just as false as saying God is good and the Prophets are real. Both are based on Divine intervention and are anthropocentric.

Why force it down others throats?

They believe in dominion, and it works as long as there is people who submit.

 

[LegionnairE]

That would be just as false as saying God is good and the Prophets are real. Both are based on Divine intervention and are anthropocentric.

no that wouldn't be false... if god was evil then abrahamic religions would make perfect sense

he lied about adam & eve, he lied about the noah's ark, age of the universe all that bullshit.. because fvck you
and he put twisted morals in religion to make us do evil things because he's the real devil and devil is the real god

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

no that wouldn't be false... if god was evil then abrahamic religions would make perfect sense

he lied about adam & eve, he lied about the noah's ark, age of the universe all that bullshit.. because fvck you
and he put twisted morals in religion to make us do evil things because he's the real devil and devil is the real god

Now you're just being a smartass.

 

[madmusti]