Turkish Air Force (HVKK)

[xxxKULxxx]

I remember there was a problem but i saw details now...

This is what Turkey wants from Airbus Military on A400M

This is what Turkey wants from Airbus Military on A400M

C4Defence reached the details of Turkish claims on bargain between Undersecretariat for Defence Industries (SSM) and Airbus Military on A400M airlifter. Airbus Military refrained from making any further declaration as it had previously accused Turkey for locking whole process and called Turkish behaviour “unbearable”.

Last negotiations took part on March 4th and some agreement is reached at the meeting but according to Turkish source Airbus Military’s precondition is erasing the penalty to put the agreement in practice.

Critical pieces must be delivered at once

Turkey claims that it ordered four thousand parts and pieces as spare part or equipment to keek aircraft running. Sixty percent of it is delivered and not all critical parts. An agreement is reached recently so that Airbus Military will provide the critical part within five days in case of need occurs.

One major, 100 minor mismatch

The design and agreement conditions do not fully meet practice according to Turkish side. They have found 1 major and 100 minor mismatch. The major issue is about Propeller Gear Box Cover. It is claimed that the 0.25 micron gap is allowed between the gear box and cover. Two of covers are 0.80 and 0.90. Turkish side claims that this may cause oil leak. According to Turkish claims Airbus Military accepted change of cover but asked erasing penalty debt. Turkish authorities narrated Airbus Military’s position as the company to believe the penalty unjust as it did pay five million Euro in the past.

Pilot’s training is not complete

Turkey claims that pilots have received training on a simulator but it lacked some configuration. Pilots did not actually fly on real plane or lack training. Turkey asks for eight pilots to be trained.

Previous penalty is different from delay penalty

Airbus military asked for revision on conditions and called all countries to meeting. According to the new agreement Turkey will receive first aircraft in Initial Operation Configuration (IOC) and will be converted to Standard Operation Configuration (SOC) later. Turkey had to receive that plane on SOC at first agreement. Turkey considered this gap as a lack of capacity for two years and asked five million Euro from the Company. According to Turkish authorities this penalty is different from delay penalty as this is the penalty for flying aircraft in IOC in state of SOC. Turkish authorities state that the bill increases every day the delivery of aircraft is delayed.

 

[Babur Han]

A-400 M provides the important strategic Airlift Capabillity to TurAF, the Delay is bad in Times were events go out of Control !

 

[black-hawk_101]

Why should we?

To fight the Yemeni terrorist. Also, can F-5 be helpful for Jordan?

 

[-SINAN-]

To fight the Yemeni terrorist. Also, can F-5 be helpful for Jordan?

Fighting with them is not our job, if you are going to say "why?" I would say; "Which country militarily helped us when we were fighting PKK ?"

Answer is nobody. So, if the terror organization that they are fighting against is not a direct threat to Turkey, we don't need to militarily involve.


Also AFAIK, we are not using F-5s in combat...

 

[black-hawk_101]

Can it be a good idea if all countries; specially the Muslim countries just give away their F-5s to Jordan for free to combat terrorist. USA can supply them with LGB and GPS for free. So that they may be able to protect in a better form.

 

[T-123456]

Can it be a good idea if all countries; specially the Muslim countries just give away their F-5s to Jordan for free to combat terrorist. USA can supply them with LGB and GPS for free. So that they may be able to protect in a better form.

Do you know the inventory of the Jordanian Airforce?
F-5s are obsolete,do some research first.
Why would Jordan sell some(13 i believe) F-16 block-15s to Pakistan which are all upgraded by TAI to block 40+ for the PAF?

 

[xenon54 out]

Just saw that on 9gag.

 

[black-hawk_101]

Do you know the inventory of the Jordanian Airforce?
F-5s are obsolete,do some research first.
Why would Jordan sell some(13 i believe) F-16 block-15s to Pakistan which are all upgraded by TAI to block 40+ for the PAF?

Then will Jordan going to buy some used F-16s??? with upgrades?

 

[T-123456]

Then will Jordan going to buy some used F-16s??? with upgrades?

I dont think so,Jordan will probably get new Fighter jets(financed by one or all of the GCC countries).
@BLACKEAGLE is from Jordan,im sure he has more info.

 

[Babur Han]

Long Range strike Capabillity for TurAF

I n the comming Years when indigenous Turbojet and Turbofan Engines become ready for serial Production TAF will introduce Long Range Cruise Missiles by it's Air, Land and Maritime Forces. For Cruise Missiles like SOM-ER with 1000 km Range TurAF lacks on a dedicated launching Plattform ! 10 F-16, F-4E 2020, F-35 are neccesarry to launch to have the strike Power of one B-52, by launching them from Ramp of an C-130 or A-400 M TurAF are Capable to rech a similar Power per Aircraft, like the british FOAS Concept !

The A400 Atlas

The ideal platform for a UK multi-role plane would be, undoubtedly, the A400 Atlas. The large tactical cargo aircraft will soon start its Air Tanker trials, fitted with two underwing pods, the Cobham 908E, which will turn the Atlas in an excellent tactical AAR, particularly precious for its ability of refueling helicopters comfortably, something that the UK so far has never really done, other than experimentally: the Merlin HC3 can be fitted with AAR probe, and was certified for AAR using a C130 tanker supplied by the Italian air force. That, however, was pretty much the end of it.
As already said, the UK helicopters only refuel by landing on FARPs established on the ground, potentially in hot areas.

It is an area of deficiency that would be good to fill. The Chinook is another helicopter than can be fitted with AAR probes, and the Americans do it regularly. It could prove very useful for the UK as well.
Furthermore, the acquisition of at least a number of AAR kits for the Atlas would allow the UK to avoid basing one of the precious Voyagers in the Falklands, as the local flight could cover both transport and AAR role with the Atlas and the proper kit.

But, just like the Harvest Hawk, the Atlas could do much more than that.
The plane normally is operated as Air Tanker without fitting additional fuel reserves in the cargo bay, so cargo space is still available.

One potential use for the Atlas is that of “Long Range Non Penetrator” strike aircraft. This concept, which has been around at least since 2003 and was considered as part ofFOAS (the defunct study for defining a Tornado GR4 replacement), involves a cargo plane (C17, C130 and Atlas are all capable to take on this role) carrying a consistent number of cruise missiles, which are extracted in flight via rear cargo door, and launched towards their targets.
EADS is said to have offered, itself, an Atlas strike package, which could involve 12 or more Storm Shadow missiles carried and deployed from an A400 ramp.
This would be a very cost-effective and efficient mean to conserve (and indeed enhance) the UK’s capability of striking targets at very long range, with a reaction time measurable in hours. If a modular rack carrying Storm Shadow missiles was developed, and made available for fitting inside the cargo bay of Atlas based in Brize Norton, a single Atlas could do, literally, the work of 6 Tornado GR4 plus supporting air tankers.


Future Offensive Air System, FOAS. In this concept art, a RAF C17 is shown deploying pallets carrying each a couple of Conventional Air Launched Cruise Missiles (CALCM), in this case apparently a modified Tomahawk.

We have still fresh memory of the Marham-launched Storm Shadow raids against Libya, with multiple AARs needed by each Tornado GR4 involved in the 8-hours mission. At 35.000 pounds per flying hour, 6 Tornado GR4 virtually cost 210.000 pounds per each such sortie, and that’s without considering the cost of the four air refueling and of the air tankers involved.
Conversely, an Atlas cargo could deploy 12 Storm Shadow (payload of, let’s assume, 20 tons including the launch system) flying unrefueled for the whole mission. Indeed, it could strike targets further away than Libya is.


Another FOAS related concept art, showing a C130 used as Long Range Non Penetrator strike platform, launching a new, stealth Conventional Air Launched Cruise Missiles (CALCM).

Such a long range strike capability would provide a Time-Critical reaction capability, more effective, and at lower cost than that of any manned fighter bomber available or in development. It would be complimentary to the Carrier Air Wing / Land based expeditionary wing, which would deploy, in a matter of days, to the area of operations, to prosecute effectively the mission from close by.

It would also be very worth consideration the hypothesis of buying a few adapted Harvest Hawk kit, to make available to the Atlas fleet, starting from the squadron (currently 47 RAF, tomorrow perhaps another one) of cargo aircrafts assigned to Special Forces support role.
The US Marines are paying only 10 million dollars or so for a kit that’s proving very effective and very much appreciated on the ground. It is a remarkably low cost to pay for a capability that provides 8 or even 10 hours of Recce, communications and fire support to the troops on the ground with each sortie flown. Perhaps while carrying a AAR Cobham 908E pod under the other wing.

Definitely worth thinking about it.

Pubblicato da Gabriele a 5:59 PM

UK Armed Forces Commentary: Buy a plane, get an air force

 

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[madmusti]

 

[ozi2000]

Turkey Gets Enhanced Airborne EW
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By Forecast International on Monday, April 13th, 2015

Under the terms of a U.S. FMS contract announced in March, Lockheed Martin will provide the Turkish Air Force with electronic warfare modernization on board its fleet of F-16s. The contract, valued at $13.98 million, has a period lasting through the conclusion of December 2017, and will fit the ALQ-211(V)9 Advanced Integrated Electronic Warfare System (AIDEWS) to the jet fighter. However, this is not just an ordinary deal. It is part of an ongoing process, as the U.S. continues to focus on bolstering its allies along the border of the Arabian Peninsula.

In March 2014, Exelis Electronic Systems announced that Turkey had ordered 21 ALQ-211(V)9 AIDEWS pods alongside support equipment and countermeasures dispensing systems. At the time, the contract, if all options were exercised, would be worth a potential $75.3 million. The AIDEWS pods would provide a significant enhancement to the F-16s’ survivability and strike potential.

The ALQ-211(V)9 is the newest generation of the AIDEWS pod. Its capabilities will allow Turkey’s F-16s to sense radar air surveillance from afar, and will provide pilots with flight path redirection in order to avoid detection. Additionally, the V9 is able to act aggressively in the event of radar detection or missile tracking. The EW pod’s onboard jammer and ECM coordinator is capable of disrupting several methods of detection, including RF, IR, and laser; it can also cue the use of chaffs and flares.

What the new EW equipment means is that Turkey will soon be a far more efficient aerial threat. In the event of an aerial battle, the fighter jet now has the capability to unleash some of the latest developments in electronic warfare technology. It contributes to a far greater chance of winning the battle.

Additionally, the Turkish Air Force’s F-16s will now be far more capable in the aerial escort role. The EW upgrade will give the F-16s a far heightened chance of being able to ferry slower moving, more detectable strike platforms into enemy territory; in essence, penetrating deeper behind enemy lines in order to perform crucial ground strikes.

The effective “invisibility” that the ALQ-211(V)9 grants the F-16 gives Turkey a better chance of approaching an enemy in the heart of its territory, so it can hit valuable ground targets. Modernization of Turkey’s AIDEWS pods is somewhat along the lines as last week’s news, when the U.S. finally released Egypt’s F-16s from “delivery hell.” Egypt got the latest version of the fighter jet, with all of the improved aerial surveillance and targeting options that it offers, and the U.S.’s greatest concerns in the area – insurrectionists, ISIS, Iran, etc. – were confronted with a far greater threat in their neighborhood.

It seems to be no coincidence that as the U.S. is in talks with Iran about sanctioning the Middle Eastern nation’s nuclear program it is also enhancing its allies’ border penetration and ground strike capabilities.

Turkey Gets Enhanced Airborne EW | Aviation & Air Force News at DefenceTalk

 

[Kamil_baku]

Turkey Gets Enhanced Airborne EW
1
By Forecast International on Monday, April 13th, 2015

Under the terms of a U.S. FMS contract announced in March, Lockheed Martin will provide the Turkish Air Force with electronic warfare modernization on board its fleet of F-16s. The contract, valued at $13.98 million, has a period lasting through the conclusion of December 2017, and will fit the ALQ-211(V)9 Advanced Integrated Electronic Warfare System (AIDEWS) to the jet fighter. However, this is not just an ordinary deal. It is part of an ongoing process, as the U.S. continues to focus on bolstering its allies along the border of the Arabian Peninsula.

In March 2014, Exelis Electronic Systems announced that Turkey had ordered 21 ALQ-211(V)9 AIDEWS pods alongside support equipment and countermeasures dispensing systems. At the time, the contract, if all options were exercised, would be worth a potential $75.3 million. The AIDEWS pods would provide a significant enhancement to the F-16s’ survivability and strike potential.

The ALQ-211(V)9 is the newest generation of the AIDEWS pod. Its capabilities will allow Turkey’s F-16s to sense radar air surveillance from afar, and will provide pilots with flight path redirection in order to avoid detection. Additionally, the V9 is able to act aggressively in the event of radar detection or missile tracking. The EW pod’s onboard jammer and ECM coordinator is capable of disrupting several methods of detection, including RF, IR, and laser; it can also cue the use of chaffs and flares.

What the new EW equipment means is that Turkey will soon be a far more efficient aerial threat. In the event of an aerial battle, the fighter jet now has the capability to unleash some of the latest developments in electronic warfare technology. It contributes to a far greater chance of winning the battle.

Additionally, the Turkish Air Force’s F-16s will now be far more capable in the aerial escort role. The EW upgrade will give the F-16s a far heightened chance of being able to ferry slower moving, more detectable strike platforms into enemy territory; in essence, penetrating deeper behind enemy lines in order to perform crucial ground strikes.

The effective “invisibility” that the ALQ-211(V)9 grants the F-16 gives Turkey a better chance of approaching an enemy in the heart of its territory, so it can hit valuable ground targets. Modernization of Turkey’s AIDEWS pods is somewhat along the lines as last week’s news, when the U.S. finally released Egypt’s F-16s from “delivery hell.” Egypt got the latest version of the fighter jet, with all of the improved aerial surveillance and targeting options that it offers, and the U.S.’s greatest concerns in the area – insurrectionists, ISIS, Iran, etc. – were confronted with a far greater threat in their neighborhood.

It seems to be no coincidence that as the U.S. is in talks with Iran about sanctioning the Middle Eastern nation’s nuclear program it is also enhancing its allies’ border penetration and ground strike capabilities.

Turkey Gets Enhanced Airborne EW | Aviation & Air Force News at DefenceTalk

great news! i believe Turkey will also use it to develop its own homemade one!

 

[xxxKULxxx]

I think this photo was taken when F-16 production line was established in Türkiye... Turgut ÖZAL...