Turkish Air Defence Programs

[cabatli_53]

G40 missile

• 40km range
• 40000ft altitude
• Land/Naval based variant of Gokdoğan BVR missile (Domestic NASAMS)
• Cold Launch

 

[UkroTurk]

G40 missile

• 40km range
• 40000ft altitude
• Land/Naval based variant of Gokdoğan BVR missile (Domestic NASAMS)
• Cold Launch

Naval based? NASAMS is equal to ESSM. So G40 naval will be domestic ESSM.
Edit: i mean not just equal . They are identical. They share same AMRAAMs seeker and a lot of components.

İ cant understand how bigger Hisar-O or HİSAR-A hasl less range than Bozdoğan- G40- NASAMS variants??
Which parameters affect range? Does Hisar have less rangebrange has faster speed or has larger warhead?

 

[AerospaceTech]

Naval based? NASAMS is equal to ESSM. So G40 naval will be domestic ESSM.
Edit: i mean not just equal . They are identical. They share same AMRAAMs seeker and a lot of components.

İ cant understand how bigger Hisar-O or HİSAR-A hasl less range than Bozdoğan- G40- NASAMS variants??
Which parameters affect range? Does Hisar have less rangebrange has faster speed or has larger warhead?

Their development purposes are different so their designs are different. Gökdoğand and Bozdoğan a2a systems so their launch systems require different energy than land based air defence systems HİSAR A and O. Just think about SATURN V rocket which carried Apollo 11. If you need to resist gravity you need energy, if you want to launch your heavy war head from land based system, you need bigger booster and so on.

 

[UkroTurk]

Their development purposes are different so their designs are different. Gökdoğand and Bozdoğan a2a systems so their launch systems require different energy than land based air defence systems HİSAR A and O. Just think about SATURN V rocket which carried Apollo 11. If you need to resist gravity you need energy, if you want to launch your heavy war head from land based system, you need bigger booster and so on.

Okay , Lets have a look at RIM 162 ESSM and Hisar A or O.

Although there isnt any information about HİSAR's specifications, it is clear to compare with bare eyes.

Pelican the Polish SAM with ESSM!!

I think Hisar-A-O aren't lighter than RIM 162 ESSM which is 280kg and also weight of warhead should be equal.
Hisar

ESSM
Polish Pelican SAM with ESSM

Comparing lenghth of both missiles , i find Hisar as tall as ESSM.

Diameters seem again equal.
What makes ESSM with more range capacity than Hisar? Type of rocket fuel?
HISAR

ESSM

Or Hisar also can reach 50km range but it can't be guided after 25km?
Türkiye also will have G40 missiles. What is the difference? Same rocket fuel but different guidiance gives longer range?

İ would say its Turkish ESSM.

 

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Naval based? NASAMS is equal to ESSM. So G40 naval will be domestic ESSM.
Edit: i mean not just equal . They are identical. They share same AMRAAMs seeker and a lot of components.

İ cant understand how bigger Hisar-O or HİSAR-A hasl less range than Bozdoğan- G40- NASAMS variants??
Which parameters affect range? Does Hisar have less rangebrange has faster speed or has larger warhead?

The range is relative to altitude, they are all capable of going beyond their specified range at cost of altitude.

 

[UkroTurk]

The range is relative to altitude, they are all capable of going beyond their specified range at cost of altitude.View attachment 632870

Then Hisar A has less rocket fuel than O, and
HISAR -O has less fuel than ESSM?
I think both ESSM and Hisar O have same volume of fuel but somehow ESSM has longer range? What makes ESSM a missile with 50 km range?
For me g40 and Hisar share nearly same size, volume and shape. But G40 has 2 times more range than Hisar!
As i said is it just " guidiance range"?
All those missiles are around 300kg. They arent in the league of SM patriot or S300.

 

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Then Hisar A has less rocket fuel than O, and
HISAR -O has less fuel than ESSM?
I think both ESSM and Hisar O have same volume of fuel but somehow ESSM has longer range? What makes ESSM a missile with 50 km range?

We aren't given the exact ranges of these missiles. HISAR-A and HISAR-O both have dual-pulse rocket motor allowing the missile to glide in on the target with no UV signature and then relighting its rocket motors when the target is within the no-escape envelope of the missile.

For how long HISAR-A and HISAR-O can glide with no propulsion is not something they will give out, so any calculations that foreign entities try to do to estimate ranges of HISAR-A and HISAR-O will bear no fruit

 

[UkroTurk]

We aren't given the exact ranges of these missiles. HISAR-A and HISAR-O both have dual-pulse rocket motor allowing the missile to glide in on the target with no UV signature and then relighting its rocket motors when the target is within the no-escape envelope of the missile.

For how long HISAR-A and HISAR-O can glide with no propulsion is not something they will give out, so any calculations that foreign entities try to do to estimate ranges of HISAR-A and HISAR-O will bear no fruit

Is The given of hisar A-O range by producer range of guidance? That's all i can understand. ESSM , G40 have longer range because it has more capable guidance, seeker etc. Mica VL, Umkhonto , Hisar have less range because they use simplier guidance. But They all have nearly same volume of fuel. Fuel is not the effective factor.

 

[TURUL]

does the range of the G40 really matter ? it obvious that the G40 will replace the ESSMs in the navy. therefore there primary role will be to counter sea-skimming anti-ship missiles and in this role the range doesn't matter a lot (radar horizon etc..). if the G40 could be quad-packed into MDAS it will become the anti-saturation asset of our ships, while a long range sam (hisar-u/siper, aster 30) will deal with other targets (fighters).

 

[aziqbal]

so Hisar series is naval missiles ?

they have close, medium and long range all now operational ?

 

[Oublious]

ESSM or G40 is a pointdefence missile, range is irrelevant in the sea. Low flying missile skimming over the sea, you can not detect before 20 km. So what is the point if you have 100 km range G40? A 16 cell canister with quadpack G40 is enough. And ad 16 cell Hisar-U for aerial defence what you will not see in a navy war. If you ask me ad 20 Atmaca in our Frigatte...

 

[SİLAHDAR]

ESSM or G40 is a pointdefence missile, range is irrelevant in the sea. Low flying missile skimming over the sea, you can not detect before 20 km. So what is the point if you have 100 km range G40? A 16 cell canister with quadpack G40 is enough. And ad 16 cell Hisar-U for aerial defence what you will not see in a navy war. If you ask me ad 20 Atmaca in our Frigatte...

Essm is a point defence missile which evolved by sea sparrow. But G-40 is a more like Medium range air defence missile like 9M317M missile on russian ships. But yes usage aim and range are same with essm. G-40 like a Aster-15 missile but long ranged version . His long range coming from g-40 base missile gökdoğan range is 120 around km but aster-15 base missile mica rf is 60 km ranged. There is another diffrences on him aster-15 uses booster for increase range but g-40 use enlarged fuel section.

That's reason of G-40 is a designed for a single stage of siper missile and sage maybe dont want to enlarge the lenght of missile with extra lenghted booster, just because launch siper from current self-defence and tactical vls launcher currently on our ships.

 

[Oublious]

Essm is a point defence missile which evolved by sea sparrow. But G-40 is a more like Medium range air defence missile like 9M317M missile on russian ships. But yes usage aim and range are same with essm. G-40 like a Aster-15 missile but long ranged version . His long range coming from g-40 base missile gökdoğan range is 120 around km but aster-15 base missile mica rf is 60 km ranged. There is another diffrences on him aster-15 uses booster for increase range but g-40 use enlarged fuel section.

That's reason of G-40 is a designed for a single stage of siper missile and sage maybe dont want to enlarge the lenght of missile with extra lenghted booster, just because launch siper from current self-defence and tactical vls launcher currently on our ships.

You have a point but ther is no offically info about G-40, i respect your opinion.












We shoud talk about HISAR-O capabilities to...


https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2020/04/13/turkish-hisar-ads-shot-down-russia-made-mi-35-in-libya/

 

[SİLAHDAR]

When we hear first time g-40 his stated. Siper G-40 missile. What's meaning of "G" on his name ? I think GÖVDE (body). So it reffer first stage of siper.

 

[Bismarck]

When we hear first time g-40 his stated. Siper G-40 missile. What's meaning of "G" on his name ? I think GÖVDE (body). So it reffer first stage of siper.

Or G stands for Gokdogan.