Turkish Air Defence Programs

[Azeri440]

Maybe Aliyev had a hand in this.

probably

 

[Silahtar]

Turkey Invites Russian Bid for Air Defense Contract

ANKARA—Three years after disqualifying a Russian bidder for being too expensive, Turkey invited the same contender into the same contract for the acquisition of the country’s first long-range air and anti-missile defense system.

Turkish diplomatic and procurement sources said that the Russian contender was “invited” to make a bid again after Turkish and Russian presidents, Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Vladimir Putin met in Istanbul Oct. 10 on the sidelines of a global energy conference.

Turkey has been trying to mend fences with Russia after its Air Force shot down a Russian Su-24 fighter last November for violation of the Turkish airspace along Turkey’s border with Syria. After the incident Turkey and Russia froze diplomatic ties and Moscow imposed punishing commercial sanctions on Turkey. Under pressure Erdogan in August had to apologize and asked for détente.

Turkey in September 2013 selected a Chinese manufacturer, China Precision Manufacturing Import-Export Corp (CPMIEC), for its air defense architecture. Ankara said CPMIEC’s offer was priced at $3.44 billion.

The Russian bid was disqualified because it was “too expensive.” Officials familiar with the program said that the Russian solution was “twice more expensive” than the best price. Other contenders were a consortium of US companies Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, maker of the Patriot system, and the European Eurosam, maker of the SAMP-T.

Under pressure from its NATO allies, in November 2015, the Turkish government decided to cancel the Chinese contract and leaned forward building an indigenous system. It commissioned two local defense companies, Roketsan and Aselsan, to develop the system.

But since then Ankara has been negotiating, in parallel talks, with the US and European bidders. Now with the decision to invite a Russian manufacturer into the competition Turkey is opening up a three-way race.

Defense experts say that if Turkey selects a Russian air and anti-missile defense system it will have to limit itself to a stand-alone architecture, like it would when it selected the Chinese system. They say a Russian system, like a Chinese system, will not be made inter-operable with the U.S. and NATO assets deployed in Turkey.

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/turkey-invites-russian-bid-for-air-defense-contract

 

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http://www.defensenews.com/articles/turkey-invites-russian-bid-for-air-defense-contract

S.Koreans developed their AD systems with russian co-operation, I don't see why same sort of partnership wouldn't work with Turkey..

 

[passo_del_bosniako]

S.Koreans developed their AD systems with russian co-operation, I don't see why same sort of partnership wouldn't work with Turkey..

NATO

But this is a good way to preassure reluctant western gov/companies for some ToT agremeents on Air defece systems.

 

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NATO

But this is a good way to preassure reluctant western gov/companies for some ToT agremeents on Air defece systems.

Doesn't have to be linked up to NATO AD shield, like greases S-300..

 

[passo_del_bosniako]

Doesn't have to be linked up to NATO AD shield, like greases S-300..

You mean greek S-300. But then the system effectivnes is very much reduced if not part of larger level network of Air defence.

Also I doubt Russian are willing to share its tehnology with Turkey for various reasons. It took almost 20 years to sell it to their long time strategic partner Iran. I bealieve it when I see it.

 

[bsruzm]

Also I doubt Russian are willing to share its tehnology with Turkey for various reasons. It took almost 20 years to sell it to their long time strategic partner Iran. I bealieve it when I see it.

Companies would use Russian ToT developing their own, it doesn't have to be directly system's itself:

S.Koreans developed their AD systems with russian co-operation,

Iran isn't really a good example to back your thought but sure, I also doubt that "Russian are willing to share its tehnology with Turkey"

 

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You mean greek S-300. But then the system effectivnes is very much reduced if not part of larger level network of Air defence.

Not at all, you could link it up with 3rd party combat management system.. As grease has done..

 

[passo_del_bosniako]

Companies would use Russian ToT developing their own, it doesn't have to be directly system's itself:


Iran isn't really a good example to back your thought but sure, I also doubt that "Russian are willing to share its tehnology with Turkey"

Maybe it isnt the best example. But nevertheless I really cant see Russians helping Turkey in this highly significant military field knowing full well that turkish geostrategic interests and those of Russia differ from the Balkans to the ME and beynd and in most cases differences are not that minor.

Anyway, we can say this or that, time will tell if this comes to frtutition or just ends up as dead letter on papper.

 

[Constantinople]

But guys you should remember that till now there is no real test( i mean in a war or something ) to s-300 or s-400 maybe they are just tubes

 

[Oublious]

Maybe it isnt the best example. But nevertheless I really cant see Russians helping Turkey in this highly significant military field knowing full well that turkish geostrategic interests and those of Russia differ from the Balkans to the ME and beynd and in most cases differences are not that minor.

Anyway, we can say this or that, time will tell if this comes to frtutition or just ends up as dead letter on papper.

It would be a major disaster if they would work with russia, everybody is forgotten the shotdown mig.

 

[passo_del_bosniako]

But guys you should remember that till now there is no real test( i mean in a war or something ) to s-300 or s-400 maybe they are just tubes

Yes, I was thinking of pointing it out last night but it slipped my mind. They are not just tubes, but they lack real battlefield testing. I would rather see this kind of deal between Turkey and western companies.

In any case, procurement of T-LORAMID systems (ideally with ToT) is one of the highest priorities for Turkey. In any way posible, even if it takes to employ industrial espionage as a means to fulfill that objective

 

[Seyfullah]

Mesut Hakkı Caşın: Türkiye Ruslardan S-400 füzeleri alacak
Prof. Dr. Mesut Hakkı Caşın A Haber'de 'Söz Teması' programında Türkiye'nin Rusya'dan savunma ve saldırı silahları alacağına yönelik önemli açıklamalarda bulundu. Caşın, Türkiye'nin Ruslardan S-400 füzeleri alacağını söyledi.


http://www.ahaber.com.tr/webtv/gundem/mesut-hakki-casin-turkiye-ruslardan-s-400-fuzeleri-alacak

 

[kartal1]

Mesut Hakkı Caşın: Türkiye Ruslardan S-400 füzeleri alacak
Prof. Dr. Mesut Hakkı Caşın A Haber'de 'Söz Teması' programında Türkiye'nin Rusya'dan savunma ve saldırı silahları alacağına yönelik önemli açıklamalarda bulundu. Caşın, Türkiye'nin Ruslardan S-400 füzeleri alacağını söyledi.


http://www.ahaber.com.tr/webtv/gundem/mesut-hakki-casin-turkiye-ruslardan-s-400-fuzeleri-alacak

Insallah

 

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Russian's won't sell their most capable anti air weapon to a Nato country.