Turkey will closely follow Greek plans to revive oil bid in Aegean, says FM

[LegionnairE]

We should do the same with Crete what we did with Cyrpus. 50/50.

It's a little late for that don't you think?

 

[atatwolf]

It's a little late for that don't you think?

I don't know about Crete but if a conflict starts because of Aegean dispute we can force Greece to sign a new treaty to rearrange somethings.

Let's face it. If Greece gets stubborn and claims whole of Aegean for itself than we need to do something. I have to say there is very little chance Greece has the guts to do this. They don't have money, army or the will to start a war with us but we have to think about this situation just in case.

 

[amalakas]

We should do the same with Crete what we did with Cyrpus. 50/50.

I don't know about Crete but if a conflict starts because of Aegean dispute we can force Greece to sign a new treaty to rearrange somethings.

Let's face it. If Greece gets stubborn and claims whole of Aegean for itself than we need to do something. I have to say there is very little chance Greece has the guts to do this. They don't have money, army or the will to start a war with us but we have to think about this situation just in case.

man you get funnier and funnier with every post. You must surely be an adolescent.


Actually I think you should re-consider things.. and you should drop this attitude.

You are behaving as the world owes you everything. It doesn't nor do you have a lineage claim on everything you see fit. Grow up

 

[atatwolf]

man you get funnier and funnier with every post. You must surely be an adolescent.


Actually I think you should re-consider things.. and you should drop this attitude.

You are behaving as the world owes you everything. It doesn't nor do you have a lineage claim on everything you see fit. Grow up

I'm not the one who claims the whole Aegean for itself. Greece does, and you support it. If you support extreme things, you will get an extreme response back. I hope Greece won't repeat the mistakes it made on Cyprus.

 

[LegionnairE]

What you're talking about isn't even remotely about the EEZ subject here..

I'm not exactly in the "let's blow things up" attitude but my military mind can't explain to me how Greece is going to force this to Turkey. Actually i find this funnier than Atawolf's posts. Time to be fair and reasonable, in any conflict obviously Greece has much more to lose.

We can draw EEZs from the two countries' mainlands and exclude whatever territorial waters Greece has within Turkey's side. Greece still gets a lot more than Turkey by diplomacy. It might not be so, in result of a military conflict. So wise up, it's for both countries' benefit.

 

[amalakas]

What you're talking about isn't even remotely about the EEZ subject here..

I'm not exactly in the "let's blow things up" attitude but my military mind can't explain to me how Greece is going to force this to Turkey. Actually i find this funnier than Atawolf's posts. Time to be fair and reasonable, in any conflict obviously Greece has much more to lose.

We can draw EEZs from the two countries' mainlands and exclude whatever territorial waters Greece has within Turkey's side. Greece still gets a lot more than Turkey by diplomacy. It might not be so, in result of a military conflict. So wise up, it's for both countries' benefit.

Greece doesn't have to use military force to force anything on Turkey. It won't need to.

 

[LegionnairE]

Greece doesn't have to use military force to force anything on Turkey. It won't need to.

Oh please...

 

[amalakas]

Oh please...

Well not all things are solved with arms you know.

Let's work on a hypothetical scenario. Let's assume Greece declares an EEZ, and Turkey responds. Will it respond militarily, Let's assume so.

Given both our countries high level of readiness we can assume an island assault which is the most profitable scenario for Turkey in terms of ease, losses, gain, reach etc etc etc.

What do you think will happen next? The reality of an EEZ does not change with Turkey striking at Greece. I am sure you understand that. Just as it didn't change for Cyprus although Turkey occupies half the island. No gain there, no gain here.

I think it is high time Turkey realised that the times of the bullies went the way of the dodo bird.

Turkey has much more to gain by recognising Greece's rights and realising that these same rights do not threaten Turkey but rather an egoistic impression Turkey has for itself.

I'm not the one who claims the whole Aegean for itself. Greece does, and you support it. If you support extreme things, you will get an extreme response back. I hope Greece won't repeat the mistakes it made on Cyprus.

I support it because I am Greek, and because it is in actual fact the truth. I would be blind or biassed to say otherwise.

I think it would be nice if you were to open your eyes. There is a great big world out there you know full of other facts you have very little knowledge of.

 

[atatwolf]

It is the actual truth? Says who? Let first Greece declare the EEZ then say it is the truth. Blind nationalism has a high price.

 

[LegionnairE]

What do you think will happen next? The reality of an EEZ does not change with Turkey striking at Greece. I am sure you understand that. Just as it didn't change for Cyprus although Turkey occupies half the island. No gain there, no gain here.

Since when soldiers are thinking like businessmen? No gain? oh sh*t what about the big big BIG loss on Greece's side? You're okay with that? I don't know. Just drop it

 

[amalakas]

It is the actual truth? Says who? Let first Greece declare the EEZ then say it is the truth. Blind nationalism has a high price.

Thank you, yes..finally .. Blind nationalism has a high price. Thank you for finally acknowledging it. Now if you could find a mirror...

Since when soldiers are thinking like businessmen? No gain? oh sh*t what about the big big BIG loss on Greece's side? You're okay with that? I don't know. Just drop it

Which loss? Loss of what?

(and soldiers begun thinking like businessmen sometime around Vietnam) ..

 

[LegionnairE]

Which loss? Loss of what?

(and soldiers begun thinking like businessmen sometime around Vietnam) ..

1. Isn't it obvious? It'll either be a diplomatic solution or a military conflict, I leave you to calculate which one's more beneficial and who has more to lose.

2. spare me, I read john keegan too. It was always a failed approach.

 

[amalakas]

1. Isn't it obvious? It'll either be a diplomatic solution or a military conflict, I leave you to calculate which one's more beneficial and who has more to lose.

2. spare me, I read john keegan too. It was always a failed approach.

first apologies, I didn't mean to patronize you. I cannot be aware of what you follow and what not. So no pun intended there.

Second, you are true in your military roots.

Think about it. Conflict. And ?

What? will Turkey occupy Greek soil. NO, it cannot, will not, cannot possibly be allowed. Even if Greece exits the Eurozone, it will still be part of the EU. EU soil under occupation will never be tolerated.

Can Turkey reverse established rights via conflict. Not a chance is hell for a western nation. Turkey hasn't even been able to do that for Cyprus. How is it going to manage it for Greece?

The only thing Turkey can bring home is the joy and pride of a successful assault. Not much to go on there, because in terms of size, Greece is about 1/7 of Turkey and in military terms slightly below 3:1 (at least when I used to serve) Even if that has moved to 3.5:1 or even 4:1 we both and the rest of the world knows that Greece is geared for short term defence and Turkey is Geared for long term assault. What other possible outcome could one foresee?

The point you may be failing to grasp is that if your former superiors thought there was something to be gained, they would have made a move.

 

[LegionnairE]

What? will Turkey occupy Greek soil. NO, it cannot, will not, cannot possibly be allowed. Even if Greece exits the Eurozone, it will still be part of the EU. EU soil under occupation will never be tolerated.

Let's say for the sake of the arguement, Turkey occupied a considerable amount of islands do you think any of the EU countries will intervene and waste their men and resources for you? I don't know what it is that you see but from my point of view I can't see any vast cold-war armies in Europe Turkey and Greece are exceptions.

Hell, even UK is cutting budget.

The only thing Turkey can bring home is the joy and pride of a successful assault. Not much to go on there, because in terms of size, Greece is about 1/7 of Turkey and in military terms slightly below 3:1 (at least when I used to serve) Even if that has moved to 3.5:1 or even 4:1 we both and the rest of the world knows that Greece is geared for short term defence and Turkey is Geared for long term assault. What other possible outcome could one foresee?

But you don't see. Our intentions are pure, the only damn point is to cause you trouble. What do you think will happen? They'll sanction Turkey -again- but it's very limited what they can do. We have our own military industry. So we sit on your islands just like Cyprus, no EEZ no FIR no nothing plus your combat casualities, enormous military expenses and so on..

My point is, the pressure on you is much bigger, you will fold the one way or another. Even the current crisis itself can almost break you. You think Turkey's position is weak but yours is much weaker.

The point you may be failing to grasp is that if your former superiors thought there was something to be gained, they would have made a move.

Damn straight

 

[Luffy 500]

Greece shouldn't even dream of punching above its weight which is even more true when they R living on handouts. Turkey would do well taking over those Aegean Islands by instigating a false flag ops. It will also send a clear message to troll France & rest of EU about not messing with turkey.