Turkey 'fully supports' Pakistan’s position on Kashmir: Turkish FM

[deckingraj]

@Indian Members
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I have not seen any statement from India on this...Irrespective of why this happened it is still a set back and gain for Pakistan position. Why has our MEA not issued a statement on this or summoning Turkey's envoy and reminding them to shut the fukc up??...I mean we should learn a lesson or two from China on this...no??

 

[The Eagle]

I hope you meant that. And I personally hope that you will act on that.

Sir, thanks for the support. Your presence can support much in this area as well so that discussion can lead to better learning other than jingoism and egoistic approach.

 

[KN-1]

Do you know many words besides butthurt? Sounds like your butt hurts a lot, you can't seem to get away from the subject.

dont waste my time..

 

[proud_indian]

mighty turkey lend it's hand to pakistan

We are doomed!

 

[KN-1]

Unlike you we are clear that Kashmit can't be won by force. Unlike you we are also clear that the only possible solution in kashmir is to convert LOC into IB...now when better sense will prevail in Pakistan they will also understand the ground reality...i hope you are clear as to why we didn't do what you did?? I am not even talking about the geo-political and physical cost Pakistan had to pay for her misadventures...

but but but... Kashmir is atoot ang

 

[neem456]

Time to have reality check.
70 years and Pakistan is still arguing with india and world that if kashmir is a dispute or not.
If yes, which ? International, UN, bilateral, or internal matter of india/pakistan ?

100 years later, we still would be arguing if it all it is a dispute and which one ? Solving the dispute does not even come on the table.

I take this as a victory for indians that pakistanis are still involved and busy in convincing the world that this indeed is a dispute and its type.

 

[KN-1]

And it was civil war in your first try. You are aware, of course, being the knowledgeable person you are, that there was not a single Pakistan Army person present at the time the fighting first broke out? So you can't claim much of a victory; the Mirpuris did it for you and then you sat on their heads and refused to allow them to rule themselves.

with help from Pakistan and who defended them when India invaded Kashmir? PA?

 

[KN-1]

But but but.....hurting again? Consult a proctologist.

it seems yours hurting alot

 

[Parul]

Read below the Highlighted part to know how you got %%% of Kashmir.

in first try won 35% of Kashmir now called Azad Kashmir...

Letter from Maharaja Hari Singh to Lord Mountbatten on Pak invasion of J&K in 1947

My dear Lord Mountbatten,

I have to inform Your Excellency that a grave emergency has arisen in my State and request the immediate assistance of your Government. As Your Excellency is aware,the State of Jammu and Kashmir has not acceded to either the Dominion of India or Pakistan. Geographically my State is contiguous with both of them. Besides, my State has a common boundary with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and with China. In their external relations the Dominion of India and Pakistan cannot ignore this fact. I wanted to take time to decide to which Dominion I should accede or whether it is not in the best interests of both the Dominions and of my State to stand independent, of course with friendly and cordial relations with both. I accordingly approached the Dominions of India and Pakistan to enter into standstill agreement with my State. The Pakistan Government accepted this arrangement. The Dominion of India desired further discussion with representatives of my Government. I could not arrange this in view of the developments indicated below. ln fact the Pakistan Goernment under the standstill agreement is operating the post and telegraph system inside the State. Though we have got a standstill agreement with the Pakistan Government, the Govemment permitted a steady and increasing strangulation of supplies like food, salt and petrol to my State.

Afridis, soldiers in plain clothes, and desperadoes with modern weapons have been allowed to infiltrate into the State, at first in the Poonch area, then from Sialkot and finally in a mass in the area adjoining-Hazara district on the Ramkote side. The result has been that the limited number of troops at the disposal of the State had to be dispersed and thus had to face the enemy at several points simultaneously, so that it has become difficult to stop the wanton destruction of life and property and the looting of the Mahura power house, which supplies electric current to the whole of Srinagar and which has been burnt. The number of women who have been kidnapped and raped makes my heart bleed. The wild forces thus let loose on the State are marching on with the aim of capturing Srinagar, the summer capital of my government, as a first step to overrunning the whole State. The mass infiltration of tribesman drawn from distant areas of the North-West Frontier Province, coming regularly in motortrucks, using the Manwehra-Mazaffarabad road and fully armed with up-to-date weapons, cannot possibly be done without the knowledge of the Provincial Govemment of the North-West Frontier Province and the Government of Pakistan. Inspite of repeated appeals made by my Government no attempt has been made to check these raiders or to stop them from coming into my State. In fact, both radio and the Press of Pakistan have reported these occurences. The Pakistan radio even put out the story that a provisional government has been set up in Kashmir. The people of my State, both Muslims and non-Muslims, generally have taken no part at all.

With the conditbns obtaining at present in my State and the great emergency of the situation as it exists, I have no option but to ask for help from the Indian Dominion. Naturally they cannot send the help asked for by me without my State acceding to the Dominion of India. I have accordingly decided to do so, and I attach the instrument of accession for acceptance by your Government. The other alternative is to leave my state and people to free booters. On this basis no civilised government can exist or be maintained.

This alternative I will never allow to happen so long as I am the ruler of the State and I have life to defend my country. I may also inform your Excellency's Government that it is my intention at once to set up an interim government and to ask Sheikh Abdullah to carry the responsibilities in this emergency with my Prime Minister.

If my State is to be saved, immediate assistance must be available at Srinagar. Mr. V.P. Menon is fully aware of the gravity of the situation and will explain it to you, if further explanation is needed.

In haste and with kindest regards,

Yours sincerely,

Hari Singh
October 26, 1947


Response from Lord Mountbatten

My dear Maharaja Sahib,

Your Highness' letter dated 26 October 1947 has been delivered to me by Mr. V.P. Menon. In the circumstances mentioned by Your Highness, my Government have decided to accept the accession of Kashmir State to the Dominion of India. In consistence with their policy that in the case of any State where the issue of accession has been the subject of dispute, the question of accession should be decided in accordance with the wishes of the people of the State, it is my Government's wish that, as soon as law and order have been restored in Kashmir and its soil cleared of the invader, the question of the State's accession should be settled by a reference to the people.

Meanwhile, in response to Your Highness' appeal for military aid, action has been taken today to send troops of the Indian Army to Kashmir, to help your own forces to defend your territory and to protect the lives, property, and honour of your people. My Government and I note with satisfaction that Your Highness has decided to invite Sheikh Abdullah to form an interim Government to work with your Prime Minister.

Mountbatten of Burma
October 27, 1947

Source: Defence.pk

 

[Zee-shaun]

was replying to a troll..

I feel turkey should not interfere in the internal mater of India.we never interfere in the internal matter of Turkey.

Kashmir was never an internal matter, it's a disputed territory. So basically Turkey has the right to choose either side.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Sir, thanks for the support. Your presence can support much in this area as well so that discussion can lead to better learning other than jingoism and egoistic approach.

In that case, I shall withdraw for the moment, because the current state of the conversation does not meet the level at which you started it. I shall not contribute to any further degradation. My apologies for the posts I had already made; I shall delete them.

Please do not hesitate to summon me for any input wanted.

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

Kashmir was never an internal matter, it's a disputed territory. So basically Turkey has the right to choose either side.

No matter what you guys do.. how much you cry and whine... The Existing LOC will eventually become IB and you can do nothing about it.

 

[illusion8]

People living in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones elsewhere..


Anyways, Turkey shouldn't be getting involved in the sh!t fest that is called Indo Pak issues.

 

[Assault Rifle]

@KN-1 India captured three features on Pakistani side of LoC during Kargil.

However, for tactical reasons the Army thrice successfully crossed the LoC to capture tactically important features to facilitate vacating the intruders. The 27 Rajput battalion crossed the LoC south of Turtuk near NJ 9842; 14 Sikh battalion similarly captured a feature about a kilometre inside the Pakistani side of the LoC near Chorbat La while a Jat battalion captured a feature adjacent to the Kupwara sector. In the latter case, however, the soldiers had to withdraw west of the Mushkoh Valley after about 30 of them suffered frost bite. The Army continues to retain all the captured features.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/mobi/ne...eidoscope/the-height-of-challenge/243607.html

 

[deckingraj]

It makes no difference. This is Erdogan enlisting support for his position after nearly losing it. These are fair-weather friends.

Actually it does....even by a minuscule level in the geo-political arenait is still a difference which imho should not be ignored . I understand that On ground level nothing can change however we shouldn't let any tom dick and harry to poke they fukcing nose in our internal matter and go Scot-free