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Turkey-Egypt relations must be normalized

The US-Israel destroyed alliance between Egypt and Turkiye via S.Arabia in 2013

and since 2013 SISI buys tons of weapons from Russia,Germany,Italy,France against Turkiye
and SISI's Egypt was ally with France ,Greece,Greek Cypriots and Israel via the Uae in the Eastern Mediterranean against Turkiye ( even Egypt is nothing to do with the Eastern Mediterranean to fight Turkiye .... Turkiye doesnt attack Egyptian EEZ )


smart The US-Israel-The EU use SISI's Egypt as a pawn to stop Turkiye in the Eastern Mediterranean
and puppet SISI follow Israel , If Israel assign the step of normalization with Turkey , then SISI's Egypt also assign the step of normalization with Turkey

Egypt is nothing .... Turkiye should normalize relation with Israel , that means also with the US

then Egypt,S.Arabia and the Uae will be useless pawns in the region

if you lived with us during that year of MB in power ( putting your ideological believes aside) .... you would change your opinion about that group.

only christian Copts and the US backed some Generals/Soldiers hate MB ... most of muslim Egyptians dont have problem with ex-president MOURSI and MB

also undemocratic dictatorial regimes in the Uae,Bahreyn,S.Arabia,etc so hate MB
because of MB will be elected by Arab Peoples in real democratic elections and they will lose their dictatorial regimes
 
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Development of strategic relations between Egypt and Turkey means that this structure can easilly dominate almost all of MENA. Therefore, the relations between these two countries can never be left alone, in other words, no one wants to see that.

However, it is also necessary to understand the institutionalized structures within the countries.

For example, Egypt's Greek side of Cyprus relations and with stepping against TR in Med strategies are not new. During the period of Hüsnu Mubarak, there was a highly problematic structure while mutual commercial and political relations continue.

In the Mursi government period, almost a century later, there was an opportunity to carry the relations to a strategic dimension, but what the Turks could not understand was that this situation was actually very uncomfortable by the Egyptian army. The Egyptian army means the Egyptian economy. To understand Egypt, it is necessary to understand the unique condition of the Egyptian army and its structure within the country. If you go to the historical foundations of the Egyptian army, u can also understand why the Egyptian army encompasses whole state with this degree. An actual calculation error that was made by the political power in Turkey. On the other hand, the reason why gulf countries developed the right strategy was that they understood this structure well. Egypt is not an european style civil country.

Despite to all of these, the problem between the two countries is intergovernmental. In its current form, Turkey questioning the legitimacy of the military coup in Egypt, while Egypt has accusing Turkey of interfering with internal affairs. While Egyptian Muslim brothers freely conducting media activities in TR, almost all Egyptian press' Turkish services entrusted to well known FETO members.

The situation is very different among peoples. I know how strange it is but, Egypt and Turkey nations are one of the closest people of the world that u can see around. If you look around a bit, you will see countless brotherhood stories. I still cannot forget the hospitality I saw in Egypt, where I went years ago.

In fact, the normalization step could have been taken much earlier. If you go around the news archives in 2018, you will understand what I mean. Delegations between the two sides held many discussions on these issues. However, many factors(from TR's side, especially the UAE) sabotaged this process. There are strong resistance points both inside and outside for both countries.

The military coup in Sudan and finally the military coup attempt in Libya made everything more complicated. Frankly, I do not have much hope for normalization in the near future. However, I hope that the conflict between governments cannot become chronic and totally destroy common cultural ties.

overall , I agree with your main points here ....

but to understand the situation in Egypt ... you need to consider 2 things :

1- the role of the Egyptian Army in the economy and political life in Egypt has done mainly after 2011 revolution against Mubarak and increased after 2013 revolution against MB ..... as you know after those revolutions there were turmoils ( political, Security and economical) .... just like the other countries in the ME where the revolutions happened ..... but the fact that the Egyptian Army is solid non-sectarian like Syrian or Iraqi Armies and not for the elite as you think but any common Egyptian can reach to commanding position in the Egyptian Army .... that’s why Egyptians have trust on the Army because soldiers and officers in the Egyptian Army are our brothers and cousins.

For all of that and due to the delay of the economical plans after 2011 , we ran out of time , we are too late to wait the governmental civil authorities to be rebuilt after the turmoils , that’s why we have accepted the Army to ( SUPERVISE ) many projects which is done through civil companies.
Which is gradually changes as the economy and other civil authorities rebuilding .

2- you misunderstand the relationship between Egypt and KSA, UAE and other Gulf states except Qatar .....

Those countries are our allies and brothers .... they supporting our economy through investments and loans .... this done during Mubarak , interim government after the revolution, Morsi , Adly Mansour and during Elsisi .... that’s something you don’t know about .... but we Egyptians know that .... they are supporting the people of Egypt not a specific government ..... unlike Qatar and. Turkey.

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and to close the the illusions of KSA and UAE are exerting efforts to make Egypt and Turkey apart .... those are false claims ..... as you remember, before Khashoggi, the relations between both countries specially KSA and Turkey was great ..... but Egyptian- Turkish relations are very bad and hostile ..... and it all started with the interference of Erdogan in an internal Egyptian affairs which is something as a nation we are very sensitive about .... due to many historical reasons .
 
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and to close the the illusions of KSA and UAE are exerting efforts to make Egypt and Turkey apart .... those are false claims ..... as you remember, before Khashoggi, the relations between both countries specially KSA and Turkey was great ..... but Egyptian- Turkish relations are very bad and hostile

We Turks never forget about how KSA betrayed Turkiye
Turkiye never attacked KSA and Egypt


the US ( OBAMA ) supported Iran and KSA was alone without American support
so KSA was ally with Turkiye against Iran and relationship between KSA and Turkiye was very good
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but the US ( TRUMP ) has started fighting against Iran and Turkiye for Israeli interests
and KSA,Egypt,the Uae joined the US-Israel to fight against Turkiye
therefore KSA destroyed good relationship with Turkiye
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and The US-Israel destroyed alliance between Egypt and Turkiye via S.Arabia in 2013
S.Arabia gave $10 billion to SISI to make military coup in Egypt
and now SISI , MBS and MBZ are hostile to Turkiye
 
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This is brilliant for a PDF Think Tank ..... could you provide us with a source of this magnificent info .....?!

and in all cases ..... if you lived with us during that year of MB in power ( putting your ideological believes aside) .... you would change your opinion about that group.

I believe 70 % voters support MB government and reject Military Coup. There is no way Salafis voters support the military coup since Salafist is even more conservative than MB which is more moderate.

Islamists Win 70% of Seats in the Egyptian Parliament
By David D. Kirkpatrick

CAIRO — Egyptian authorities confirmed Saturday that a political coalition dominated by the Muslim Brotherhood, the 84-year-old group that virtually invented political Islam, had won about 47 percent of the seats in the first Parliament elected since the ouster of Hosni Mubarak. An alliance of ultraconservative Islamists won the next largest share of seats, about 25 percent.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/...therhood-wins-47-of-egypt-assembly-seats.html
 
I believe 70 % voters support MB government and reject Military Coup. There is no way Salafis voters support the military coup since Salafist is even more conservative than MB which is more moderate.

Islamists Win 70% of Seats in the Egyptian Parliament
By David D. Kirkpatrick

CAIRO — Egyptian authorities confirmed Saturday that a political coalition dominated by the Muslim Brotherhood, the 84-year-old group that virtually invented political Islam, had won about 47 percent of the seats in the first Parliament elected since the ouster of Hosni Mubarak. An alliance of ultraconservative Islamists won the next largest share of seats, about 25 percent.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/...therhood-wins-47-of-egypt-assembly-seats.html

ok then ..... that’s where you are getting your info .....

Now , I’m Egyptian and one of those claimed 70% who elected Islamists ( whatever this means as Islam is beyond and above all those people) in the parliament .... and I’m also was the one against Morsi in the presidential election to make a balance between authorities ....

and I’m one of those elected MB in 2005 parliament elections and Elected Ayman Nour against Mubarak which I regret later on ( now live and financed by Erdogan to attack people of Egypt not Elsisi ) ..... and elected MB n 2010 parliament and in 2012 as I said .....

so I’m fully aware of what I’m taking about .....most of those MB group are hypocrite, arrogant and don’t care about Egypt and Egyptians .... they only care about taking control of all authorities in Egypt .... just like as you advised them in another post ..... and look at them now , supporting every evil against Egyptians.
 
President MOURSI was elected by Egyptian People

and S.Arabia,the Uae supported SISI to make military coup against Egyptian People
S.Arabia and the Uae dont care about Egyptian People , They care about their dictatorial regimes

SISI killed over 5.000 Egyptians during military coup
the US backed FETO terror organization also killed 250 Turks during military coup attempt against Erdogan

I am saying again most of muslim Egyptians dont have problem with ex-president MOURSI and MB
only the US , Israel , christian Copts in Egypt and the US backed some Generals/Soldiers hate MB

also undemocratic dictatorial regimes in the Uae,Bahreyn,S.Arabia so hate MB
because of MB will be elected by Arab Peoples in real democratic elections and they will lose their dictatorial regimes
 
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Turkey and Egypt have significant importance not only in the region, but also in the world

Uhm. What importance does Egypt have? If he means being a vassal state for US and Israel, I get that, but I doubt thats what he means.
 
ok then ..... that’s where you are getting your info .....

Now , I’m Egyptian and one of those claimed 70% who elected Islamists ( whatever this means as Islam is beyond and above all those people) in the parliament .... and I’m also was the one against Morsi in the presidential election to make a balance between authorities ....

and I’m one of those elected MB in 2005 parliament elections and Elected Ayman Nour against Mubarak which I regret later on ( now live and financed by Erdogan to attack people of Egypt not Elsisi ) ..... and elected MB n 2010 parliament and in 2012 as I said .....

so I’m fully aware of what I’m taking about .....most of those MB group are hypocrite, arrogant and don’t care about Egypt and Egyptians .... they only care about taking control of all authorities in Egypt .... just like as you advised them in another post ..... and look at them now , supporting every evil against Egyptians.

Look, I understand your position. Egyptian was still relatively new living a democratic system. If you dont like how MB govern and see them as arrogance so why just be patience for the next 5 years and elect other party at the next election. You dont need to destroy the system that you have fought during the revolution just because you dont like the first result of your democracy.

We also did similar in our first 2 years of our democracy. We put Abdurrahman Wahid as President and then regret it not long after that. The difference between Egypt and Indonesia is that we replaced Abdurrahman Wahid through democratic process in parliament. The first 2 years under democracy is still under euphoria mentality after successful people power, people tend to go to the street if they dont like what they see instead of using appropriate and legal way to channel their aspiration. The Armed force, Alhamdulillah, respect the democratic process in the parliament and dont try to exploit our young democracy despite their power is being taken significantly both in parliament, government, and businesses.

Later we regret replacing Abdurahman Wahid since the replacement, Megawati, made many bad decision that benefit many of our conglomerate and privatize some big state owned companies. Our parliament then change the system, Presidential-Parliamentary, into full Presidential system to avoid similar practice happen in the future and strengthen the elected government.

If the civil society cannot manage their differences, they will be lead by dictator for the rest of their life. I dont know why civil society in Egypt dont get united. Those Armed force institution is not the best institution to lead the country.
 
Not going to happen any soon.

Agreed and it should better not happen too. Egypt today is more like a mix of Mubarak and Nasser's foreign policies: although it seems balanced between pan-Arabism and a "Egypt First", the pan-Arabist discourse yields a heavier weight which poses a threat to our interests. Plus, closer alignment with Egypt means the revival of 'ihvancılık' in Turkey, the muslim brotherhood stuff you know. In addition, lets face the fact we were never at good graces with Egypt not even during the Ottoman era when they were a province of Istanbul. But still they rebelled and marched as close as to Anatolian mainland. They are a natural foe just not one to be reckoned with today per say like France in Med.
 
Uhm. What importance does Egypt have? If he means being a vassal state for US and Israel, I get that, but I doubt thats what he means.
Egypt has always been one of the most important cultural centers of the Islamic world. Even the most important state in the Arab world is Egypt. Its political and ideological effects are important. They are experiencing one of the most difficult turbulences in Egyptian history. However, this will not take long, if you ask me.
 
Look, I understand your position. Egyptian was still relatively new living a democratic system. If you dont like how MB govern and see them as arrogance so why just be patience for the next 5 years and elect other party at the next election. You dont need to destroy the system that you have fought during the revolution just because you dont like the first result of your democracy.

We also did similar in our first 2 years of our democracy. We put Abdurrahman Wahid as President and then regret it not long after that. The difference between Egypt and Indonesia is that we replaced Abdurrahman Wahid through democratic process in parliament. The first 2 years under democracy is still under euphoria mentality after successful people power, people tend to go to the street if they dont like what they see instead of using appropriate and legal way to channel their aspiration. The Armed force, Alhamdulillah, respect the democratic process in the parliament and dont try to exploit our young democracy despite their power is being taken significantly both in parliament, government, and businesses.

Later we regret replacing Abdurahman Wahid since the replacement, Megawati, made many bad decision that benefit many of our conglomerate and privatize some big state owned companies. Our parliament then change the system, Presidential-Parliamentary, into full Presidential system to avoid similar practice happen in the future and strengthen the elected government.

If the civil society cannot manage their differences, they will be lead by dictator for the rest of their life. I dont know why civil society in Egypt dont get united. Those Armed force institution is not the best institution to lead the country.

I got your point .... considering that Egypt had some sort of democracy and elections in the beginning of 20th century .... and also the legacy of foreign invaders to Egypt through our 7,000 years history .... from Haitheen , Hisksos to Crusaders and Mongols to Israel .....

We have a legacy of foreign ambitions to control Egypt due to it’s strategic location ..... also consider we are peaceful nation just like nations beside rivers .... but also you should know that the current boarders of Egypt is the same for thousands of years .... may increase sometimes and invaded sometimes but it is generally the same ......

that’s why we or our army cannot accept something or someone who may cut parts of our lands like Eastern Timur in Indonesia ( although I’m not really aware of what happened) ... we as people and Army would die defending our land ....

Democracy is not an ultimate goal it self .... the ultimate goal is giving people prosperity , dignity and it is a community agreement not something imposed from out side .
 
As far as i know both the people of Turkey and Egypt like each other. We saw the relations peak during democratic rule in Egypt. Its the dictatorship that caused the realtions to nose dive.
I have realized that the reason muslims are not united is due to not having democratic governments that represent the emotions and mindset of the majority population. If the muslim world were to become truly democratic, i am sure 70℅ muslim countries would be strong allies, the economic benefit would take that to 90℅. The people of muslim countries mostly genuinely have brotherly feelings for each other.
In case of Egypt, i dont see any rapprochement between the two any time soon or till there is dictatorship. Turkey should instead work on connection with people of Egypt.
 
Egypt has always been one of the most important cultural centers of the Islamic world. Even the most important state in the Arab world is Egypt. Its political and ideological effects are important. They are experiencing one of the most difficult turbulences in Egyptian history. However, this will not take long, if you ask me.

What are you talking about? Egypt have never been a cultural center of the Islamic world. Islam was exported from the Peninsula. Books were translated from Persian to Arabic, the Islamic grand library was in Baghdad. The most important collectors of Hadith (Imam Muslim and Imam Bukhari) Were from Khorasan and Bukhara. Abu Hanifa was a Persian living in Baghdad, Malik Ibn Anis was from the Peninsula, Imam Hanbali was from Baghdad. Only Al Shafi ever lived in Egypt. Only importance Egypt has is its border with Israel and the fact its been taking side with Israel on the Arab-Israeli conflict since the assassination of Anwar Sadat
 
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Turkey-Egypt relations must be normalized
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Onur Sinan Güzaltan

Turkey and Egypt have significant importance not only in the region, but also in the world, with state traditions going back thousands of years.

Relations between these two countries have been tense after the overthrow of Mohammad Morsi in 2013.

The Turkish government’s insistent support for the Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt’s anti-Turkish actions with the Greek-Southern Cypriot axis in the Eastern Mediterranean, and Ankara and Cairo’s supports for different groups in Libya, are the main difficulties in improvising the relations.

THE IMPORTANCE OF NEGOTIATION EFFORTS
Although the problems I will outline may seem immovable obstacles at first glance, given the countries’ shared history, cultural values and complimentary economic interests, there is no actual reason why Turkey and Egypt can not remove these obstacles with the right actions.

The decisive point here would be for the rulers of the two countries to take some steps towards rehabilitating relations, which would benefit both of the major powers in the region. The first steps are abandoning narrow ideological points of view, and excluding the external factors that stand between the two countries.

Improving the relations between the two countries will secure regional peace and prevent the intervention of a third power.

Those who take some steps towards improving the negotiations and relations between Ankara and Cairo will be making an effort toward the future of these two major countries in the region, and these efforts should be respected.

POSITIVE REFLECTIONS OF SABREEN’S ARTICLE
In this context, the article titled “Proposals for normalization in Turkish-Egyptian relations”, written by Al-Ahram Newspaper columnist Mohamed Sabreen, for the United World International, contains some important ideas.

This article, which came to the public agenda and was debated in Turkey, was perceived positively by the government authorities, journalists and academics.

The country’s top newspapers have cited the article positively within their columns, and some experts and retired officials expressed their positive feelings about negotiating with Egypt.

A large portion of the negative comments about the article came from the FETO-PKK axis and radical Islamist groups and their affiliates, which are activiely engaged in hostile activities against Turkey.

From outside of Turkey, we can understand why Greece-Southern Cyprus, Israel and the United States oppose rapprochement, and they predictably expressed this opinion in their reports and commentaries on the issue.

THERE ARE NO ISSUES THAT CANNOT BE SOLVED
To reiterate, within Turkish public opinion, normalization with Egypt is being debated within large groups and some positive comments are being expressed.

Today, every party in favor of the national interests of both Turkish and Egyptian nations and in favor of regional peace advocates for a normalization process between the two countries.

If a political effort is made, solutions can be found for any of the problems I mentioned at the beginning of this article. Here is a list of possible suggestions:

1. In Turkey, the government must put an end to its pro-Muslim Brotherhood policies. Centuries old Turkish-Egyptian relations are too great to be restrained in favor of the Muslim Brotherhood or any other organization.

2. The Egyptian government must understand that their interests in the Eastern Mediterranean could only come from an agreement with Turkey. All the analysts say that Egypt has suffered a lot from their agreements with Greece and Southern Cyprus. The issue of the Eastern Mediterranean gas reserves, which would be to shape the future of our nations, should not and cannot be spent for only temporary disputes.

3. It is possible for Turkey and Egypt to come to an understanding in Libya. Egypt’ concerns over Libya, which shares a long border with it, can be understood, and Turkish actions in Libya where it is seeking to protect its interests in the Eastern Mediterranean in accordance with international law, smust be understood. The final solution to the Libyan issue would be from a mutual dialogue between Turkey and Egypt.

THE COMMON FUTURE OF THE TURKISH AND EGYPTIAN PEOPLES
In addition to all this, the coronavirus pandemic has brought great devastation, but also new opportunities which we might call “pandemic diplomacy.”

A cargo vessel full of medical supplies to be sent from Ankara to Cairo, or vice versa, can be a small step in quantity but a large step in quality, for the cooperation between the two sides of the Mediterranean.

Further steps around these issues would not only reduce the tensions between the two countries, they could also reduce the tensions in the entire region

Arguments between Turkey and Egypt open up opportunities to the enemies of both countries.

It is time for the Turkish and Egyptian nations, with a common history going back thousands of years, to make the right decisions.

Governments, political disagreements and small political affairs come and go, but the Turkish and Egyptian nations will always be permanent, and therefore, these two states must work together to come to terms.

It is a sponsored article directed to Egyptian residents in Facebook by a Turkish analyst.
i think Egypt is most respected Arabic country in Turkey....
 

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