Turkey Contained ?

[BordoEnes]

At last someone who can actually see AKP for who they are. When analyzing parties and their ideologies look at their history and the driving force behind their motivation. I know sharia as we know in KSA won't come to Turkey (fortunately), but i am also pretty sure Islam will experience a revival in Turkey.

I couldnt have said it better Bro. Hopefully we will get ride of the kemalists habbits posting anti-islam videos on youtube somethimes even burning kurans for god sake, Pathetic people...

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

eh mate i think your russian love is closing your eye , soviets wanted parts of turkey but we still were quite strong then , for people here everyone in nato especially turkey is a puppet of USA , USA influences NEARLY EVERY COUNTRY so what you guys talking about , THIS IS GOING TO BE OUR STRATEGY , WE WILL GET STRONGER AS WE ARE AND THEN WHEN WE ARE A GREAT POWER MAYBE 2023 WE WILL BE RELYING LESS ON NATO AND USA WILL HAVE LESS INFLUENCE ON US , also russia atm doesnt even have a very very good army , just a huge pile of nukes and missiles but they are doing a big renewing program till 2020 so getting stronger , but so are we , also just wait till AZERBAIJAN BREAKS THEIR CHAIN LIKE A LION AND GETS KARBAGH BACK , we will get stronger togetherr , armenia is totally isolated , also mate you are a kazakh what is your total russian love and turkish hate? what did russia do for you so much ? whats this RUSSIAN LOVE EXPLAIN PLEASE , as a kazakh i thought you would be closer to turks than russians that have nothing to do with you , but maybe thats kazakhs nature

Maybe but that is not possible as long as they are an active member of NATO. My point was, if Turkey gets out of NATO, an agreement can be reached between Turkey and Russia where Turkey will grant Russia unrestricted military and civilian access to the Mediterranean via the Bosphorous (also a division of Black sea oil fields between Turkey and Russia). This is a very important objective of Russia and also the reason why Turkey would be targeted first of all in case of any major conflict. This would effectively ally Turkey with Russia in a harmonious relationship, which is a regional superpower. Any immediate threat to Turkey would be neutralized as no country close to its proximity can dare to take on Turkey anymore and Turkey is in a harmonious relationship with Russia.

The above should not hamper Turkey's relation with EU or its current industrialization process. Or would the west impose sanctions on Turkey ? If so, this will just go on to prove the deep-rooted hatred that the rest of NATO have for Turkey.

It is always better to ally with the superpower closest in proximity. An example is that of India which allied with USSR, not US. Whereas Pakistan tried to ally with a superpower 10000 miles away and as a result, got betrayed numerous times and was not nearly as fruitful as India's alliance with USSR.

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

also you say russian and china will attack turkey straight away , do you think war is a joke? then what about western favoured countries , you are talking about world war then south korea is there chinas enemy , theirs many countries that will be on our side , this is about NATIONAL INTERESTS , WHATEVER IS IN YOUR COUNTRIES MAIN INTEREST YOU WILL BE ON THEIR SIDE OR THEY WILL BE ON YOURS , also russia is a country that got invaded many many many times buy countries much smaller and fighting on many fronts they went into russia , germany , napoleon marched into moscow , ottomans into moscow many many more , they had most casualties in WW2 like 20 million + , georgia is a little country but hates russia atm , they will want their abkhazia or somin back , I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ON SOME NATO COUNTRIES DEEP HATRED TOWARDS TURKS OF THEIR CONQUEST ETC IN PAST BUT NOT ALL COUNTRIES SOME DO

i dont understand this kemalist etc just all turks love your country , respect islam you can be really religious or not , and thats it , then we can stop fighting between us , can someone tell me difference between AKP AND MHP nothign really MHP voted for the thing for quran lessons but they are not bastards like AKP negotiating with terrorist

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

well they can always choose a side EU or middle east powers like iran and egypt they cant have balance in this they have to choose sooner or later

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

KSA great influence nowadays, due to its position as a leader of Muslim world

come on KSA is a puppet who have no influence and will never have all they can do is spend all their oil money on usa and do what the CIA tell them to do

 

[somebozo]

If there is anyone who can bring a change in Arab and Muslim world is Turkey!

 

[Mosamania]

come on KSA is a puppet who have no influence and will never have all they can do is spend all their oil money on usa and do what the CIA tell them to do

I know what kind of person you are The kind of people who have absloutley nothing better to do in their life but "Expose" Evil Saudis in blogs and writing about how they found about an "Unmarried Saudi couple" *gasp* oh the shame....

Really it is always fun to watch these type of people make for a very good psychosocial analysis on the effects of hate indoctrination into people.

محمود عيب عليك كده بقى. اعتقد اني قابلتك في منتدى تاني والله اعلم.

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

i think KSA and rich oil arab countries are doing good stuff , e.g i think 5 cities or soming investment i would really like TURKEY AND KSA TO HAVE VERY GOOD REALTIONSHIP BUT I DONT NO WHAT ARABS THINK , ALSO TURKEY TO CHOOSE EGYPT OR IRAN? LOL WERE STRONGER THEN THEM SO HOW CAN WE CHOOSE THEM THEY CAN CHOOSE US LOL BUT IAM IN FAVOUR OF PERFECT RELATIONSHIP WITH EGYPT ASWELL , MAHMOUD HOW ARE EGYPTIANS THOUGHT TOWARDS TURKS?

 

[Mosamania]

i think KSA and rich oil arab countries are doing good stuff , e.g i think 5 cities or soming investment i would really like TURKEY AND KSA TO HAVE VERY GOOD REALTIONSHIP BUT I DONT NO WHAT ARABS THINK , ALSO TURKEY TO CHOOSE EGYPT OR IRAN? LOL WERE STRONGER THEN THEM SO HOW CAN WE CHOOSE THEM THEY CAN CHOOSE US LOL BUT IAM IN FAVOUR OF PERFECT RELATIONSHIP WITH EGYPT ASWELL , MAHMOUD HOW ARE EGYPTIANS THOUGHT TOWARDS TURKS?

To make it clear the majority of Egyptians and Saudis have nothing but respect for each other we are not enemies. I always say the closest country to KSA culturally (Outside GCC) is Egypt.

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

i never said egypt and KSA mate

 

[Luffy 500]

Turkey will definitely get closer to ME. No doubt. Its a natural outcome. Turkey will get more important for EU since is not a question of whether EU wants Turkey but rather whether turkey wants EU.
Turkey has a expanding economy and a positive demographic profile while EU is bankrupt and
will undergo austerity measures for decades. Turkey should successfully project power throughout
the medditerenian and europe and forms strategic alliances with ME and neighbors. They should
never join EU.

 

[King Solomon]

eh mate i think your russian love is closing your eye , soviets wanted parts of turkey but we still were quite strong then , for people here everyone in nato especially turkey is a puppet of USA , USA influences NEARLY EVERY COUNTRY so what you guys talking about , THIS IS GOING TO BE OUR STRATEGY , WE WILL GET STRONGER AS WE ARE AND THEN WHEN WE ARE A GREAT POWER MAYBE 2023 WE WILL BE RELYING LESS ON NATO AND USA WILL HAVE LESS INFLUENCE ON US , also russia atm doesnt even have a very very good army , just a huge pile of nukes and missiles but they are doing a big renewing program till 2020 so getting stronger , but so are we , also just wait till AZERBAIJAN BREAKS THEIR CHAIN LIKE A LION AND GETS KARBAGH BACK , we will get stronger togetherr , armenia is totally isolated , also mate you are a kazakh what is your total russian love and turkish hate? what did russia do for you so much ? whats this RUSSIAN LOVE EXPLAIN PLEASE , as a kazakh i thought you would be closer to turks than russians that have nothing to do with you , but maybe thats kazakhs nature

also you say russian and china will attack turkey straight away , do you think war is a joke? then what about western favoured countries , you are talking about world war then south korea is there chinas enemy , theirs many countries that will be on our side , this is about NATIONAL INTERESTS , WHATEVER IS IN YOUR COUNTRIES MAIN INTEREST YOU WILL BE ON THEIR SIDE OR THEY WILL BE ON YOURS , also russia is a country that got invaded many many many times buy countries much smaller and fighting on many fronts they went into russia , germany , napoleon marched into moscow , ottomans into moscow many many more , they had most casualties in WW2 like 20 million + , georgia is a little country but hates russia atm , they will want their abkhazia or somin back , I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ON SOME NATO COUNTRIES DEEP HATRED TOWARDS TURKS OF THEIR CONQUEST ETC IN PAST BUT NOT ALL COUNTRIES SOME DO

i dont understand this kemalist etc just all turks love your country , respect islam you can be really religious or not , and thats it , then we can stop fighting between us , can someone tell me difference between AKP AND MHP nothign really MHP voted for the thing for quran lessons but they are not bastards like AKP negotiating with terrorist

First of all, do you really live in UK? By your english and mannerless "SHOUTING", it doesn't seem so.

Turkey has its national interests, but I illustrated above how an alternative policy may save Turkey from destruction in the future, in case of a conflict between Russia/CHina - NATO. Did I do anything wrong? Its just an alternative suggestion.

Yes, Russia was invaded, much of its territory was conquered too. But all invaders of Russia met with terrible fate later on. Napoleon's army which consisted of almost entire Europe was entirely destroyed. Ottoman empire was balkanized and wiped out. We all know what happened with Hitler. It was USSR who marched into Berlin, not US or UK.

well they can always choose a side EU or middle east powers like iran and egypt they cant have balance in this they have to choose sooner or later

With Turkey's hypocritical stance in Syria, it is true that it has become increasingly difficult for Turkey to maintain a neutral foreign policy. I agree that Turkey will have to chose one side among all of them in the future.

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

I know what kind of person you are The kind of people who have absloutley nothing better to do in their life but "Expose" Evil Saudis in blogs and writing about how they found about an "Unmarried Saudi couple" *gasp* oh the shame....

Really it is always fun to watch these type of people make for a very good psychosocial analysis on the effects of hate indoctrination into people.

محمود عيب عليك كده بقى. اعتقد اني قابلتك في منتدى تاني والله اعلم.

well i cant speak good about country funding salfis to spread wahabi culture to my country sorry but i simply cant besides all i say is the truth and if i am wrong you can tell me why i am wrong
انهى منتدى الى انت تقصدة ؟

 

[DRaisinHerald]

We need to stop being obsessed by religion -- on either extreme of pro- or anti-religion. No 'mahdi' is going to come from the sky and magically save the day -- we have to solve our problems the old fashioned way: using hard work, like everyone else on the planet.

No you misunderstood. I'm not waiting for the day someone comes and saves our *****, I was saying that personally I believe that this Muslim Unity thing will not happen until the obvious Mahdi.
Of course we need to work hard to achieve prosperity.

 

[King Solomon]

well i cant speak good about country funding salfis to spread wahabi culture to my country sorry but i simply cant besides all i say is the truth and if i am wrong you can tell me why i am wrong
انهى منتدى الى انت تقصدة ؟

How about your friends? I'm curious to know if most people in Egypt hold the same view as you about KSA?

Btw, I fully agree with you.

No you misunderstood. I'm not waiting for the day someone comes and saves our *****, I was saying that personally I believe that this Muslim Unity thing will not happened until the obvious Mahdi.
Of Course we need to work hard to achieve prosperity.

Yes, that's actually true, as far as Hadith sources are concerned: Caliphate will not be achieved until mahdi emerges. Till then, all that will happen is Muslims fighting and killing each other.