Turkey Contained ?

[Mahmoud_EGY]

MAHMOUD HOW ARE EGYPTIANS THOUGHT TOWARDS TURKS?

in general most egyptians respect turkey espacialy after the gaza fleet was attacked your primeminster ardogan has good pouplarty in egypt
but sometimes your country actions dont make sense like the iranian matter i dont know which side you are

How about your friends? I'm curious to know if most people in Egypt hold the same view as you about KSA?

Btw, I fully agree with you.

yes after the revlotion most of the egyptians like this after the treatment we got in the holy land mekka and supporting mubark the egyptians who works there come back with horrbile storys about how saudis treat them

No you misunderstood. I'm not waiting for the day someone comes and saves our *****, I was saying that personally I believe that this Muslim Unity thing will not happened until the obvious Mahdi.
Of Course we need to work hard to achieve prosperity.

i agree with you and of course egyptian nationalsm is my choise but that does not mean i say to hell with muslim country i wish the best for all muslim countrys and even if i dont our enemys are one if there is no chalphate that does not mean we cant work side by side and try to help as much as we can

 

[King Solomon]

yes after the revlotion most of the egyptians like this after the treatment we got in the holy land mekka and supporting mubark the egyptians who works there come back with horrbile storys about how saudis treat them

Thanks for your input. The more I hear about Saudis' treatment of Egyptians, Pakistanis and Blacks, my opinion of them goes down and down. I hope their rampant racist and superiority complex is gotten rid of soon. It is a shame they are the custodians of Mecca and Medina yet mistreat other races like that.

but sometimes your country actions dont make sense like the iranian matter i dont know which side you are

Presently, Turkey is much precarious. It cannot hope to anger its NATO masters. Cannot hope to anger the Muslim world as well. Trying to strike a balance between the two.

 

[Quasar]

Thanks for your input. The more I hear about Saudis' treatment of Egyptians, Pakistanis and Blacks, my opinion of them goes down and down. I hope their rampant racist and superiority complex is gotten rid of soon. It is a shame they are the custodians of Mecca and Medina yet mistreat other races like that.






Presently, Turkey is much precarious. It cannot hope to anger its NATO masters. Cannot hope to anger the Muslim world as well. Trying to strike a balance between the two.

Chinese and Turkish fighters in Anatolian Eagle Exercise

 

[King Solomon]

Chinese and Turkish fighters in Anatolian Eagle Exercise

That is irrelevant. The subject here is the strategic geopolitics.

The point is, Turkey is trying tobalance relations between the Muslim world and NATO at the moment. That is why we see Turkey sometimes accommodating Iran, and sometimes acting hostile to Iran.

 

[Quasar]

Presently, Turkey is much precarious. It cannot hope to anger its NATO masters.

Chinese and Turkish fighters in Anatolian Eagle Exercise!

sorry!!! guess you are not that smart here the only irrelavant thing is you!

we are doing whatever suits our interest!

neither your master russia nor ME muslim countires has a brigth future! future is china and south east asian muslim countries! and dont worry about our long term planing!

 

[Desert Fox]

Now its not exaggerating but lying as well.

So its "lying" that Pakistani pilots participated in Arab-Israeli wars and shot down israeli aircraft without losing one of their own? If that's lying then you need help.

Jordan won in Alkarama battle in 1968

More of a Guerrilla warfare type battle in a urban environment, but i can't see how such a small victory can make up for the colossal defeat in 1967.

and Egypt won in 1973 war.

They had their 3rd army completely surrounded, not to mention by the end of the war most of their armor was destroyed by the Israelis. Do explain how you consider that a "victory".

If you are eager to make it one to one competition, then why Pakistani superior army were defeated in all Indian-Pakistani wars my Afghani friend?

First two wars were a stalemate (1948 war and 1965 war), the third major war was a defeat, and at least i'm man enough to admit that Pakistan lost the third war.

Pakistani pilots shot down 10 Israeli jets while Arab pilots shot down 36 in 1967 war, and thats because most of Arab aircraft got bombed on the ground by Israeli preemptive strike.

As i stated before, you have to look at the kill ratio and not just the kills, meaning how many pilots and aircraft you lost for every one israeli you shot down.

So if Pakistanis shot down 10 israelis, then how many did we lose to them? 0, so that gives us a superiority and quality in the pilots.

This is the Pakistani kill ratio: 10:0

Ten signifying the 10 israelis shot down, and zero signifies the 0 amount of Pakistani pilots shot down by the israelis.

Now how many Pilots and aircraft did Arabs lose to the israelis and what is there kill to loss ratio???

However, Arabs shot down 303 Israeli jets in 1973.

Source??

 

[King Solomon]

First two wars were a stalemate (1948 war and 1965 war), the third major war was a defeat, and at least i'm man enough to admit that Pakistan lost the third war.

I would consider the 1948 war a victory for Pakistan. Pakistan gained 1/3rd of Kashmir with a ragtag army of Mujaheedens against the organised and powerful armed forces of India inherited from British Raj.

 

[Desert Fox]

The Men Behind Yahya in the Indo

So basically your kings had to ask America for permission to send jets to Pakistan?

This is what it states in the link you provided:

"Kissinger asked his advisers whether the U.S. could authorize the transfer to Pakistan of military equipment from allies such as Jordan. Told that it would be illegal, Kissinger sent letter to Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Iran keeping open the possibility of weapons transfers and letting the Indians know these transfers were being contemplated. When Jordan's King Hussein requested permission to send eight U.S. jets to Pakistan, Nixon authorized sending ten and promised Hussein that they would be replaced."

So in other words, they needed Americans to tell them to send their jets to Pakistan, otherwise they would not have done so on their own will. On top of that they were worried about the loss of their jets so again Americans had to assure them that if those airframes get damaged or destroyed they (Americans) would pay for the new ones.

Pakistan sent its pilots without hesitation, and a pilot is worth more than a aircraft because you can replace a damaged aircraft, but you cannot replace a pilot easily. Secondly, Pakistan didn't ask anyone's permission to send those pilots.

A Palestinian told you! Oh really!, what a credible source of information!

It can't get more credible than that.

I have sources (books in Arabic) if you read Arabic I will be glad to post them here. 27000 out of Jordanian army (55000) were Palestinians, the head of Jordanian intelligence at that time was Palestinian Adnan Abu Udeh born in Nablus, Palestine, many other high rank officials were Palestinians. There were Jordanian Fedaen as well, so you can't call it Jordanians vs Palestinians, its a civil war that could happen anywhere in the world.

I don't care who was who or what their position was in the jordanian army, because fact of the matter is that Palestinians call that month Black September, not because its a holiday, but because they believe Palestinians were unjustly butchered.

 

[lem34]

I would consider the 1948 war a victory for Pakistan. Pakistan gained 1/3rd of Kashmir with a ragtag army of Mujaheedens against the organised armed forces of India.

I would say that a stalemate is a victory for the significantly smaller country. a billion plus lol held back. And Kargil we don't boast but we still hold point 5353
Near Tiger Hill, Point 5353 still Pak-occupied - Indian Express

The only reason 71 Pakistan failed was because we were bad or good internally divided

 

[King Solomon]

I would say that a stalemate is a victory for the significantly smaller country. a billion plus lol held back. And Kargil we don't boast but we still hold point 5353
Near Tiger Hill, Point 5353 still Pak-occupied - Indian Express

The only reason 71 Pakistan failed was because we were bad or good internally divided

Exactly. Roughly its like:

Israel's performance against Arabs = Pakistan's performance against India (without any aid, unlike Israel).

Both of them fought much larger and powerful adversaries yet refused to be overcome by the aggressors.

 

[Desert Fox]

I would consider the 1948 war a victory for Pakistan. Pakistan gained 1/3rd of Kashmir with a ragtag army of Mujaheedens against the organised and powerful armed forces of India inherited from British Raj.

A indian general once said that had NWFP (North West Frontier Province, now KhyberPakhtunkhwa) not been a part of Pakistan, india would have taken Kashmir with ease, so the credit goes to the Frontier Tribal Militia's, they have always been ready to sacrifice for the well being of Pakistan, but sadly today they are being butchered by NATO drones while Pakistani government just watches.

The only reason 71 Pakistan failed was because we were bad or good internally divided

But we still won the air war in 1971 despite being heavily outnumbered not to mention we were using F-86 Sabres against Mig-21's and Su's.

 

[King Solomon]

A indian general once said that had NWFP (North West Frontier Province, not KhyberPakhtunkhwa) not been a part of Pakistan, india would have taken Kashmir with ease, so the credit goes to the Frontier Tribal Militia's, they have always been ready to sacrifice for the well being of Pakistan, but sadly today they are being butchered by NATO drones while Pakistani government just watches.

But we still won the air war in 1971 despite being heavily outnumbered not to mention we were using F-86 Sabres against Mig-21's and Su's.

Inshallah Pakistan will prosper. All it needs is a good leader and everything will be put in place.

 

[Desert Fox]

Inshallah Pakistan will prosper. All it needs is a good leader and everything will be put in place.

InshaAllah, but for that to happen the people must change themselves first, a leader is only the reflection of the people.

 

[Rang De]

I would consider the 1948 war a victory for Pakistan. Pakistan gained 1/3rd of Kashmir with a ragtag army of Mujaheedens against the organised and powerful armed forces of India inherited from British Raj.

I would say that a stalemate is a victory for the significantly smaller country. a billion plus lol held back. And Kargil we don't boast but we still hold point 5353
Near Tiger Hill, Point 5353 still Pak-occupied - Indian Express

The only reason 71 Pakistan failed was because we were bad or good internally divided

Exactly. Roughly its like:

Israel's performance against Arabs = Pakistan's performance against India (without any aid, unlike Israel).

Both of them fought much larger and powerful adversaries yet refused to be overcome by the aggressors.

A indian general once said that had NWFP (North West Frontier Province, now KhyberPakhtunkhwa) not been a part of Pakistan, india would have taken Kashmir with ease, so the credit goes to the Frontier Tribal Militia's, they have always been ready to sacrifice for the well being of Pakistan, but sadly today they are being butchered by NATO drones while Pakistani government just watches.



But we still won the air war in 1971 despite being heavily outnumbered not to mention we were using F-86 Sabres against Mig-21's and Su's.

Inshallah Pakistan will prosper. All it needs is a good leader and everything will be put in place.

InshaAllah, but for that to happen the people must change themselves first, a leader is only the reflection of the people.

yeah yeah.. everyone knows pakistan won all 4 wars!

Here are some original video footages of surrender ceremonies Indian Army was made to perform by the great Pakistan army, please take your time to watch:

1999 war:

1971 war: (biggest surrender since WWII)

1965 war:

1947 war: (War where India got Kashmir)

Please also take some time to watch views of your own Air Chief:

 

[Desert Fox]

yeah yeah.. everyone knows pakistan won all 4 wars!

Here are some original video footages of surrender ceremonies Indian Army was made to perform by the great Pakistan army, please take your time to watch:

1999 war:

Wow, what a immature post, i mean seriously, how old are you exactly? Do your parents know that you are on the computer without their permission?

You know, i too can post images and pictures of indian soldiers surrendering, Pakistani troops in indian towns, indian jet wreckage, captured indian tanks, but that is way below my standards and something only immature fanboys do to satisfy their egos.