Turkey considers Russian Su-57 or Chinese J-31 jets to replace F-35s

[MastanKhan]

buying does not help us!!!!!!!

I dont think that j-31 is good for turkey.. there is no meaning to buy it..

if we would have made that decision more than 10 years earlier and integrated our electronics into it I would have said go for it! the same for su 57 its kinda late for that..

with pre forsight years ago if we would have su 57 with our configuration it would be a good thing better than f35 for our needs and I am not comparing them on the level of f35 missions
su 57 as an better air superiority fighter as f35 could be a good answer to greekos specially with our weapons and some russian air to air missles.. but I have doubts if that would be in interest of russians ..

better we make shure to get an engine for tfx! spend the money wisely into that program! again I am complaining about the eysight of ppl... the day we made the idea of tfx we should have also made the idea and preperations for an engine.. I also say we should have studied and brought us to the position to compleatly copy the f16 engine this should have started in the 90ies also for all land vehicles..

we always begin too late we always dont go the straight path instead like a drunkhead we are going left and right and loose the route.. like the altay engine dilemma..

this has many reasons:
previous and todays politicians were puppets, farming into their own pockets, working for other forces, shortsighted, or incompetend.. this dilemma is also present in todays turkey: ppl get their position because of family (you are from their family or a good friendly family or a real good friend they know? or a family with a good name, your father is a known person they have respect? so you enter the scene!
you have money, your family has money, some titles? you are welcome!

I know this because some of my family memebers are in politics or around politics.. sometimes just fools are being choosed because of their family or incompetent ppl who do not have any clue.. its like giving a farmer the charge of the central bank in your country.. things are done according to personal profit, for their own pockets not for the sake of the country! ppl are choosen for who can benefit me the most!

but all this reflects just the mentality of our ppl.. our ppl became selfish the one who ripps off the other is considered the smart one.. even if they are just children.. what a smart child they say.. smart like a jinn they say! stingyness is a great character in turkey, you buy a bmw but just 1,6 ccm no leather, no xenon, no navigation, no interioir option let it be just shiny from the outside.. you buy an iphone with just 2 gb internet or no internet at all.. but hey you have an iphone and would never buy a app for 50 cents.. because you are not "stupid"... this mentality is also working in politics why shouldnt it be so? if almost everyone is like this than why not the politicians?

really we live in times where the hadis about authority came true.. ppl who are not worth to get the job are getting it.. and thar ruins many things

also muslim nations should buy from each other instead they try to kill you.. and the ones who would help each other are too weak.. the compleate situation is frustrating..

Hi,

You already made the buying decision 10 + years ago when you signed up for the F35---.

When the moment came for the delivery of the vehicle---the seller backed out for one reason or another---. Because the seller felt that you have not managed and maintained " a certain pro western mindset and mentality "

Now---you cannot go back to the drawing board and draw one for yourself---you don't have 10 billion dollars laying around---.

Your open choice now is to find what is available---either the J31 or SU57---and get the best use out of it---.

The time is running out on you---just like it ran out on pakistan on 26th feb---when pakistan found out that it was woefully low on numbers in 4th gen.

Pakistanis kept talking that there would be no war---on the 26th / 27th feb---we were in a war---right now we are on the brink of a war.

Since our strike back on the 27th---the enemy has tried maybe around 30 times to strike back---.

To sabotage the TFX---they will promise you the engine---and then at the last minute---they will throw in a " glitch "---aka an intentional sabotage on your properties---where you will react and do something---& the west will claim it to be something to cancel the engine delivery---.

You can either buy the eurofighter---the Rafale or the Grippen NG---but you don't have time to build your own 5th gen right now---.

So---SU57---or the J31---!!!

 

[Cookie Monster]

Okay I can understand Su-57 but J-31? Literally no one consider J-31

J31 is not even fully developed nor anywhere near being mature. Su57 has seen more development but I think it would be a bad idea for Turkey. Turkey can develop a better jet than Su57. F35 is a beast but comes with a lot of strings attached. If things keep going south in terms of F35 acquisition...a better option for Turkey would be to skip acquiring Su57 or any other 5th gen options like J31. Instead accelerate TFX program with the money that will no longer be going towards F35s and try to collaborate with other countries like South Africa, European countries(if they r willing), Russia, China, Pakistan and others willing to join. South Africa has a lot to offer in terms of avionics and even weaponry. Russia, China, and European countries like UK and France can help out with engine development. Italy, Spain, Germany, and Sweden can also be helpful in development of TFX...and Pakistan is already looking for a possible collaboration with Turkey. So it's better to play it safe and develop something that's ur own with no strings attached...as opposed to getting something half baked, which will also divert some funds towards acquiring those jets.

 

[TheMightyBender]

J-31 is not even remotely ready. Su-57 is close to serial production, but that is not the class of fighter we are looking for.

I think IF the F-35 issue is not resolved, here is what we will do:

1. Upgrade the F-16s
2. Replace F-4 2020s with one of the Eurocanards
3. Speed up work on TFX
4. Start negotiations with UK (tempest)/ south korea (kfx)/ france as a backup plan in case TFX doesnt work out as planned

 

[CAN_TR]

Only right solution is to close the gap with Eurofighters for a while and focus everything on TF-X.

 

[Turan09]

Chinese or Russian jets are not make sense... logical way will be, first we will build the Hurjet which maiden flight is gonna happen in 2022. Hurjet will have russian engine (same Engine with jf-17) so we dont need jf-17 right now. And Hurjet will be enough for replacing f-4... About tfx, we should consider russian engines if US And UK wont let us to use western ones... but we should not buy entire aircraft. All we need is engine.

 

[xbat]

Mevlut Cavusoglu cant recognize a donkey from a cow group let alone a su57 and j31. Turkey would get rid of AKP Mafia and Turkish National Socialists(aka Ulusalci or Turkish Masonic hegemony)

Turkey will go on with her own way. No possibility to get Chinese and Russian junk .

 

[Glass]

The question im asking myself is, will Turkey get the money back it invested in the f35? and if so than the money should be spend on a couple of Su-34 to replace the 60 year old f-4´s.

 

[rcrmj]

You Sir stole the words right out of my mouth....one other point to ponder...local engine being produced for TFX could be used as an option for powering the J31 in the long run

J31 official engine is WS-19, but they will WS-13 "plus" for some years before that gets ready`````period

 

[Beethoven]

J31 official engine is WS-19, but they will WS-13 "plus" for some years before that gets ready`````period

Any updates on the J31????

 

[Khagan1923]

I will copy and paste what I have written in the TF-X section. People here don't realise the unique position Turkey is in and the Doctrine followed by the Air Force and Military in general:



We don't need the best available jets.

We can cover every single operation theatre with our future Air Defence Systems (S-400, Hisar U, Hisar-O, Hisar-A, Korkut, Siper, TF-2000) be it the Black Sea, Balkans, Aegan Sea, Thracia, Caucus, Middle East, Mediterranean. We will always have the superior hand in the air because of that, no jet in the world will able to compensate for that from any country around us. Not Greece, not Russia, not Iraq, not Iran, not Israel, not Syria, not SA, no one.

And I think the Air Force nows this, that is why they aren't bothered with the threats from the US.


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So these talks of "Turkey will buy this or this" is unnecessary. Because it won't happen. Turkey won't free itself from one plane to bind itself for decades to the next one be it from Russia or China. There won't be a Turkish SU-57 nor SU-35 nor a Turkish J-31. What will happen is what I said will happen.

The Air Force will be supplemented with NG Hürjets and modernized F-16s. With the establishment of its Air-Defence Umbrella(Hisar-U,Hisar-O,Hisar-A,Siper,Korkut) in the mid 2020s Turkey will have absolute control over its own and bordering Air Space. NG Drones like Akinci and Advanced Drones from TAI will take over the majority of dirty work against terrorists in Syria, Iraq and South-East Turkey. Hürjet and F-16 will be enough to Patrol our Borders with Grecce, the Black Sea and our Eastern Borders with Armenia. Especially the Aegan Sea and Mediterranean equipped with SOM-C1/2 and Atmaca Anti-Ship missiles with no threat what so ever.

So why would you waste 12 Billion $ for a plane that as no real reason to be in your inventory?

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Also Yeni Safak is a trash newspaper producing False News daily. No body should take that thing serious.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Turkey considers Russian Su-57, Chinese J-31 jets to replace F-35s - Yeni Şafak

Jun 09 2019

Turkey’s security bureaucracy already has alternative plans in case the United States halts the delivery of the F-35 jets over Ankara’s decision to buy S-400 missile systems and has been considering Russian Su-57 or Chinese J-31 stealth fighters as possible options, pro-government Yeni Şafak daily said on Sunday.

As a last move of Washington’s increased pressure on Ankara to cancel the S-400 deal with Moscow, the Acting U.S. Secretary of Defense Patrick Shanahan sent a letter to Turkish Defence Minister Hulusi Akar on Thursday detailing how Turkey’s participation in the F-35 program will be all but suspended as of July 31, unless Turkey withdraws from its planned purchase of Russian defence systems.

In April, the United States froze a joint F-35 manufacturing program with Turkey, which produces 6-7 percent of the parts for the fighter jets, while there is a bipartisan support in U.S. Congress to halt the delivery of 100 F-35 jets Turkey plans to buy from the United States, in case Ankara goes ahead with S-400 acquisition plans.

CNBC reported last month that Washington had told Ankara to decide by early June to either cancel its acquisition of Russia’s S-400 missile systems and buy U.S.-made Patriots or risk expulsion from an advanced U.S. fighter jet program, U.S. sanctions and possible blowback from NATO.

According to Yeni Şafak, the Pentagon made its last move by sending the letter on Thursday, a day before the end of the deadline set for June 7.

Ankara prioritises S-400s over F-35 fighter jets as the missile systems are seen as an urgent need due to regional tensions, the daily said.

“The B, C, D plans are ready in case the F-35 project goes to the dump after S-400 purchase,” Yeni Şafak said. Turkey will sustain its air force by increasing the maintenance of existing aircrafts, while it will escalate efforts to produce its own jets, according to the pro-government newspaper.

“To sit at the table with Russia for the accusation of military aircraft is among the options. The security bureaucracy is also exploring Chinese J-31s, along with Russian Su-57s,” it said, adding that those options were also more cost-effective compared to F35s.

“Ankara already thinks that even if F-35s are delivered, they will create serious security risks for Turkey as they are directly commanded by the United States. Therefore, nobody regrets ‘losing’ F-35s,” the daily said.

Mehmet Barlas, a columnist of the pro-government daily Sabah, on Sunday also suggested immediately ordering Russian jets, without waiting for U.S. sanctions that can be imposed under the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA).

Tyler Rogoway and Joseph Trevithick said in an article they penned for The Drive automotive website last month that Moscow had stated it had been ready to work with Turkey on the export and production of their Su-57 advanced fighter jet to fill the void of the U.S.-produced F-35s.

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said in April that Turkey could buy aircrafts elsewhere, when asked about Ankara’s possible expulsion from the F-35 programme.

“There are (Russian) Su-34, Su-57 and others. I will absolutely meet my needs from somewhere until I can produce it myself,” Çavuşoğlu said.

https://ahvalnews.com/us-turkey/tur...57-chinese-j-31-jets-replace-f-35s-yeni-safak

Plz give f35s to Pakistan

 

[BordoEnes]

Turkey won't even Consider J-31 as they hate Chinese and Chinese hate Turkey ..

We dont hate Chinese, we hate their goverments and its ruthless/inhumane policies on ethnic minorities. Either way we wont consider Chinese because it still is not comparable to US, European or Russian aviation technology and industry.

There were already alternatives speculated even before the F-35 deal went sour. If i recall correctly Turkey was even considering buying Eurofighters to compliment our fleet. We could buy lots of aircraft in that ballpark, let alone flatout buy Russian fifth generation S-57 fighter Jet.

 

[Timur]

Italy, Spain, Germany, and Sweden can also be helpful in development of TFX...

You really think that? You mean the one who didn't want to sell us 1000 tanks will help us to develop a faaaaar greater thing than a tank

The only trust worthy nations in your list are Italy and Spain and if greater Germanias EU will get German order to leave the engine development or fighter development than it will be so.. Italy and Spain can be bullied by Germany also nations are going more and more into a right wing nationalist with Christian mix

We need our own engines even reverse engineered engines will be good enough

 

[Successwill]

PutIN, China definitely OUT.

And i appreciate the US move. This is a blessing for our country. By this move they are saving us from 50 maybe 100 yearrs of dependancy

On another forum someone calls F-35 a flying labtop. He has point. For each software update they will demand money.. No update may mean shut down. Very clever way to make the client bow down.

 

[Cookie Monster]

You really think that? You mean the one who didn't want to sell us 1000 tanks will help us to develop a faaaaar greater thing than a tank

The only trust worthy nations in your list are Italy and Spain and if greater Germanias EU will get German order to leave the engine development or fighter development than it will be so.. Italy and Spain can be bullied by Germany also nations are going more and more into a right wing nationalist with Christian mix

We need our own engines even reverse engineered engines will be good enough

Germany will not be assisting u in developing something "faaaar greater thing than a tank"(as in TFX)...that's a nonstarter since I never said that anywhere...bcuz that would never happen. But those countries wouldn't have much of a problem with doing a JV of avionics.

To sell u 1000 tanks is altogether different than a joint development of some avionics. I mentioned Germany with Spain, Italy, and Sweden bcuz that's something they can(as in have the ability) and would probably be willing to do. The reason being that it gives them money and in return it doesn't pose a threat to them(since it's just a part and not a system).

As for engines...again I listed different countries for collaboration on engine development...those would pretty much just come down to UK, France, Russia, and China. UK and France should be the priority...if that doesnt work then go with Russia...and China should be last. US would be out of the question given recent developments...and trying to create ur own would eat up a massive chunk of the budget. The R&D, development, and production aren't the only behemoth tasks...the engine would probably be design iterated until expected parameters are achieved. Then it will have to be matured and any issues ironed out before mass production.