Turkey considers Russian Su-57 or Chinese J-31 jets to replace F-35s

[Avicenna]

Hi,

The name J31---would be coming as a shocker to many an illiterate pakistani posters on this board---and some foreign posters here as well.

These people never understood that the J31 had already passed all the flight & functional parameters of a newly produced aircraft---.

This aircraft is primarily structurally ready for a buyer to pick its options---on what it needs and wants on this aircraft---and who better than Turkey---.

If Turkey goes the route of the J31---there is no rhyme or reason for the Paf not to follow suite---.

Turkey--zindabad---.

Dumping 10 billion dollars into a project that may face many a hurdles in the future---is too risky---. Turkey cannot build a power plant in a short time for this aircraft and it cannot depend on the europeans to provide one either---because of the US pressure if the US chooses to ---. So---why go that way---.

The J31 is physically ready---join the venture---adjust and modify the structure to your liking---build a complete EW suite for the aircraft and you have 3 buyers already lined up---ie turkish air force---Pakistan air force---and Plaaf---.

I believe that it would around one tenth the cost to modify the J31 to what Turkey / pakistan needs---.

Absolutely fantastic post!

Turkey should use this as an oppurtunity and may be a blessing in disguise for both Turkey and ultimately Pakistan.

Turkish optimized J-31 would be a win win on multiple levels.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

I agree if Turkey goes for J-31 ... Pakistan should follow suit ... That opens up multiple venues to upgrade the craft for your liking... which also bodes well for existing JF program. Though, Pakistan will do well to have Mig-35's as well. I think a clearer picture will emerge once some dust settles and a few decisions are made.

 

[Armchair]

I agree if Turkey goes for J-31 ... Pakistan should follow suit ... That opens up multiple venues to upgrade the craft for your liking... which also bodes well for existing JF program. Though, Pakistan will do well to have Mig-35's as well. I think a clearer picture will emerge once some dust settles and a few decisions are made.

The MiG-35 - I am pleasantly surprised you suggested this as I have been saying this for a while now - that it is the perfect project plane for the PAF. A sinofied MiG-35 would be a possible counter to the Rafale.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

The MiG-35 - I am pleasantly surprised you suggested this as I have been saying this for a while now - that it is the perfect project plane for the PAF. A sinofied MiG-35 would be a possible counter to the Rafale.

Mig-35 works as a force multiplier for Pakistan while supporting or improving existing systems such as possibly getting latest iteration of RD-93 for JF program. So, in that regard it is a logical step forward while perhaps pursuing J-31 down the line... especially if Turkey gets in as it will automatically be a boost for the program.

 

[Lincoln]

I am surprised people consider J-31 superior to even the F-35.

 

[LeGenD]

I am surprised people consider J-31 superior to even the F-35.

Even J-20 is not operating at 100% capacity yet. J-31 is in concept-demonstrating phase (only 2 working prototypes made public) - lot of work pending.

The MiG-35 - I am pleasantly surprised you suggested this as I have been saying this for a while now - that it is the perfect project plane for the PAF. A sinofied MiG-35 would be a possible counter to the Rafale.

Sukhoi class > MiG class

India ditched both MiG-35 and even Su-57 for Rafale Tranche 3, and this is very telling.

 

[Oublious]

Like a member wrote, if ther will be a purchase it will be most likely European fighter and definitly not Chinese. Maybe they would slide to Russian, maybeeee if Russian offers something what they did with S-400.

 

[TNT]

The best scenario for Turkey would be to jointly produce a 5th gen fighter with Russia and china. Turkey have extensive experience and capabilities that it can add but all this will take time.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

J-31 is not a concept demonstrator---. There actually is no such thing as a concept demonstrator anymore---.

Concept demonstrator would just be a model. When you build a flying aircraft nowadays---it is the actual aircraft that you would want to sell---

This is an actual flying aircraft that can go into its final pre-development / production phase once it has a buyer / buyers---.

 

[Timur]

buying does not help us!!!!!!!

I dont think that j-31 is good for turkey.. there is no meaning to buy it..

if we would have made that decision more than 10 years earlier and integrated our electronics into it I would have said go for it! the same for su 57 its kinda late for that..

with pre forsight years ago if we would have su 57 with our configuration it would be a good thing better than f35 for our needs and I am not comparing them on the level of f35 missions
su 57 as an better air superiority fighter as f35 could be a good answer to greekos specially with our weapons and some russian air to air missles.. but I have doubts if that would be in interest of russians ..

better we make shure to get an engine for tfx! spend the money wisely into that program! again I am complaining about the eysight of ppl... the day we made the idea of tfx we should have also made the idea and preperations for an engine.. I also say we should have studied and brought us to the position to compleatly copy the f16 engine this should have started in the 90ies also for all land vehicles..

we always begin too late we always dont go the straight path instead like a drunkhead we are going left and right and loose the route.. like the altay engine dilemma..

this has many reasons:
previous and todays politicians were puppets, farming into their own pockets, working for other forces, shortsighted, or incompetend.. this dilemma is also present in todays turkey: ppl get their position because of family (you are from their family or a good friendly family or a real good friend they know? or a family with a good name, your father is a known person they have respect? so you enter the scene!
you have money, your family has money, some titles? you are welcome!

I know this because some of my family memebers are in politics or around politics.. sometimes just fools are being choosed because of their family or incompetent ppl who do not have any clue.. its like giving a farmer the charge of the central bank in your country.. things are done according to personal profit, for their own pockets not for the sake of the country! ppl are choosen for who can benefit me the most!

but all this reflects just the mentality of our ppl.. our ppl became selfish the one who ripps off the other is considered the smart one.. even if they are just children.. what a smart child they say.. smart like a jinn they say! stingyness is a great character in turkey, you buy a bmw but just 1,6 ccm no leather, no xenon, no navigation, no interioir option let it be just shiny from the outside.. you buy an iphone with just 2 gb internet or no internet at all.. but hey you have an iphone and would never buy a app for 50 cents.. because you are not "stupid"... this mentality is also working in politics why shouldnt it be so? if almost everyone is like this than why not the politicians?

really we live in times where the hadis about authority came true.. ppl who are not worth to get the job are getting it.. and thar ruins many things

also muslim nations should buy from each other instead they try to kill you.. and the ones who would help each other are too weak.. the compleate situation is frustrating..

 

[New World]

I think we will buy a squadron of fighters, to replace F4 2020 or they are going to upgrade them again. The Viper will be upgraded with AESA radar, F4 2020 will be replaced with squadron of fighters for bombing operations. Looks like Russians are good candidate or last time upgrade. We can not wasting money, we need that money for TFX. The project cost estimated something of 10 billions of dollar.

Will JF-17 blk3 fit in the role of F-4 with turkish goodies.

 

[SubWater]

All of this S-400 buying is show.
Turkey never ever act against Americans will.

 

[Armchair]

Will JF-17 blk3 fit in the role of F-4 with turkish goodies.

I think it would be a good stop gap. A JF-17 with the Turkish GaN AESA would be a beast. Meanwhile, they could co-develop a Turkish J-31 with Pakistan.

 

[LKJ86]

Okay I can understand Su-57 but J-31? Literally no one consider J-31

Su-57 would be a better choice for Turkey, and Russia also needs the money to complete the project.
It will be a win-win cooperation.

 

[Armchair]

Mig-35 works as a force multiplier for Pakistan while supporting or improving existing systems such as possibly getting latest iteration of RD-93 for JF program. So, in that regard it is a logical step forward while perhaps pursuing J-31 down the line... especially if Turkey gets in as it will automatically be a boost for the program.

It does seem to be the logical step forward. Here are some of my thoughts on why:
1. PAF needs a counter to the Rafale. The MiG-35 has better aerodynamic performance than the F-16 and can fly faster and higher. This allows it be be used as a very effective BVR platform.
2. Commonality of engines and parts with JF-17
3. ToT for certain parts such as landing gear would be useful for project Azm as they would essentially be cousins - twin RD-33s for both, same or similar weight class.
4. One could integrate the entire electronic and avionic settup of the J-10C or replicate the JF-17 in a larger scale - AESA radars are very scalable. Armed with PL-15s, these MiG-35s would be a beast. Alternatively one could go with an Italian settup with a Leonardo AESA radar, and get Meteor with it.