Trump and Tehran: This is not 2003 and Iran is not Iraq

[N_Al40]

Another Self hating "Iranian" American!

Trust me they're the worst!!

 

[NoOne'sBoy]

that's what Baghdad bob used to say in 2003 but of course we all know what happened ever since

 

[mohsen]

Oh America, you are super power, you are mighty, you are unstoppable, you are invincible, your own simulated war (defeat) against Iran was wrong, let us simulate it for you!

we know it, you are our master, you are our GOD!

 

[BATMAN]

How many billion$ Obama /CIA airdropped in Iran?

 

[Tokhme khar]

Mohammad bin Salman the wahabbi Sawdi terrorist just threw in the towel on Syria. lol.....Yeah.......that chalks up Iran's victory in Syria too. Yemen conflict will also end like this when wahabbi terrorists realize fighting Iran is futile.

Iran should redouble its efforts to bust down the terrorist house of saud. Iran should not rest until the last wahabbi hangs from a crane in Tehran.

 

[raptor22]

How many billion$ Obama /CIA airdropped in Iran?

First of all no matter how much money Iran has received since N deal every single dime of it is Iranian money had been frozen foreign banks due to sanctions, so we got what is ours.
But if you are interested you could look at these:

 

[WordsMatter]

You worship at the Alter of Uncle Sam. You ARE anti-Iranian whether you are too stupid to realize it or not!

And what would you say about yourself? That you worship the mullahs when you are blind to their crimes? I think you are the "stupid" here. But then again why bother with insults. That's your response to everything.

>tells me I'm an armchair general



>Proceeds to talk about war as if it's a video game.

Go measure the distance between the Persian gulf and Tehran, look at some topographic maps, Google some population figures, research the Mosaic doctrine, and then come and tell me about strategic depth you pompous fool.

And after all the "research" that you have done, your counter argument is always the same: "you fool", "you stupid", "you know nothing", "you are MKO", "you are shahi", "fake intellectual"... Come up with some counter-argument that does not involve you guys loosing your temper in the face of an opposing view. But I guess that's too much to ask.

IRI is in trouble, whether you like it, admit it, or acknowledge it. And it has nothing, and absolutely nothing, to do with the US embargo. It's the result of bad governance, and corruption. It's an autocracy run by unqualified people. The US did not ask your agha zadehs to rub the Iranians dry. Or are you saying it did?! The US did not tell IRI to hire unqualified people to run state institutions. In fact your leader and his favorite son, Mr. Ahmadinejad, said as much when he said he doesn't want mohandes but instead wants momens. I guess when that's the criteria for being qualified, you see all these people burning their forehead to get a high ranking position.

Oh where do we begin.

First, Iran has the S-300pmu2 neither you or me know how truly effective US air craft will be against that but what we do know so far is that system is a little less effective then the world renowned S-400. Iran's own Bavar-373 is going into full scale production to fill in any gaps that Iran has in it's air defense for the time being. Considering how much time and money, national pride was put into the the project it would be ok to assume that this system isn't just a bunch of cardboard paper mock ups.

US marines have gone up against an heavily sanctioned Iraq, a weakened Iraq that had little to no national pride to fight an invader. FOUR decades WordsMatter, FOUR EFFING DECADES Iran has been watching learning and preparing for what the US will do in case of a war, they are ready no matter what you say and it won't be some sort of walk in the park. I could bring up the MOSAIC defense doctrine that Iran applies to it's forces, that alone will make any war against Iran a living nightmare for the US forces how ever "invincible" you may think they are. Iran also has a varied and largely mountainous terrain that will be hell for invading or attacking US forces. Bunkers and many military installations are buried deep under mountains (not just a few of them but numerous amounts of them). I would love to see the efficacy of the aging Tomahawk missile in an attack Iran, the last one in Syria didn't go all that well. Pride, I can say that Iran will put up a fight against the US tooth and nail, they won't just run away like the Iraqis who had little to no reason to fight for the country ruled by a TRUE dictator (Iran's form of government is not a dictatorship and there is a decent amount Iranians that support the country, you know, they DON'T WANNA SEE IT BECOME LIKE THE OTHER COUNTRIES THE US BOMBED INTO "FREEDOM"). Last time I went to Iran was around idk, 2012 sanctions were in full-swing but still when I asked my family and friends even those who are against the government what they thought of a war situation against the US, ALL OF THEM SAID THEY WILL SUPPORT A FIGHT AGAINST AN INVADING US, NO EXCEPTIONS. I have family from Tehran (rich part), and Ahvaz (poor parts) but they both have no reason to not support their country in a fight against the international bully known as the US.

Iran is a different story and your calls of discontent from the Iranian populace are fair but only to an extent. I can also say that there are swathes of Americans here in our own country that would like nothing more than to grab a gun and start killing other Americans and start a Civil war due to there own discontent with the government and or country (not to mention the US really hasn't recovered from the 2008 economic down-turn, the Media and financial analysis can say what they want, lets wait and see how this presumedTrade-war with China will end). There is A METRIC *** LOAD OF POOR/DISCONTENT AMERICANS THAT ARE DISENFRANCHIZED AND WOULD LIKE NOTHING MORE THAN TO START A WAR HERE IN THE US. The US government isn't popular here or over seas.

The cause of Iran's financial problems are largely from the sanctions put on them for whatever damn hypocritical reason the West and US tries to justify them with. Iran would be an amazing economy but Iran decided 40 years ago to become SOVEREIGN but I guess that is a no no.

'bad-behavior" omg.... Screw you dude, just screw you. We Americans have no right AT ALL to call Iran out on effing BAD-BEHAVIOR. Iran like any other country is vying for control over the region in it's own ways. Establishing relationships with Lebanon, Syria and Iraq, helping Hezbollah arm against a HPYER AGGRESSIVE ISRAEL, is not bad-behavior just helping allies defend themselves against an...oh...IDK invader? Bad behavior... holy...

Lastly, The world is changing and the US in no longer the top dog. China and Russia will help Iran in whatever way they can (No one here knows what Iran and Russia talk in the meetings they have or what China and Iran talk when having back door conversations no one does, it's all here say really, both my points and yours of Iran little to no meaningful strategic alliances lol). I highly doubt they will sit idly by on the sidelines and watch another nation that is important to both just be bombed to high hell (that which no one here really knows how effective a US bombing campaign will be against Iran).

Just to be clear here:

• China's main strategic concerns are Taiwan and South China sea. China will not jeopardize her growth, due to her economic integration with the west, to "protect" IRI. In fact China has been diversifying her crude purchases away from IRI for some time now.
• Russia's main concern is her periphery: Ukraine, and the "istans" that once were part of USSR. Russia is an opportunistic player. As there will be light, Russia will sell IRI if it meant removing the European and American sanctions.

Of the rising power, and the dying one, which would you think will stand-up to the US? Did these two "powers" intervene when IRI was punished with the most severe economic sanctions in human history during Mr. Khamenie's favorite son's presidency? Of course you already know the answer.

Don't blame IRI's economic woes on sanctions. That's a scape-goat of a statement; that's a cop-out. IRI problems are self-inflicted. IRI is more than willing to spend a fortune to prop-up a tyrant in Syria, spend 100 times more on Islamic propagation than on Iranians' education, allows for corrupt and unqualified managers to run the government and state industries, [you know the rest]... and yet you bring out the sanctions card; that's an old card in need of revising.

 

[zartosht]

what a pathetic self hating American wannabe.... I cringe when I read your spam posts. seriously dude seek some help about your identity crisis


your talking points are too ridiculous for anyone to bother giving a more serious response then they already have..

you don't have a shred of gheyrat or Iranian spirit left in you. a patheticly small person with an inferiorioty complex desperately trying to trash his ancestral lands to try and fit in with white americans he sees as superior.

ive seen your kind before. They most pathetic be gheyrat worthless sell outs on this earth.


despite the fact that your white masters will never see you as an American, and blatantly insult you by treating you as some sort of hostile potential terrorist that needs extra visa restrictions (while laughably omitting actualy terrorist states like wahabi arabia).

you are very pathetic individual my friend. just forget about iran. you obviously have no connections to it, and iran doesn't really have any desperate need for traitor wannabes with identity problems weighing it down. I suggest you visit some alt right/ or Zionist forum to spread your anti-iran trash while rubbing American nut sack.

you will find a much more receptive audience there, and I'm sure they wouldn't mind a little supposed "Iranian" pet to confirm propaganda talking points about iran.

 

[VEVAK]

Really? If anyone thinks IRI is any match against the US behemoth they seriously need to stop drinking their own cool-aid. IRI has no strategic alliances that would side with her in case of a confrontation, has a restive and unhappy populace, has a corrupt and ineffective elite, an economy that's in free-fall, is not part of the global economy to cause any disruptions to it in case of a confrontation, and powerful neighbors that despise her. Add to that predicament the fact that IRI has no air force or military that can match any outside invader the size of the US.

Anyone that thinks the Iranians will demonstrate the same resolve, as when Iraq invaded Iran, when a new threat becomes a showdown is mistaken: for IRI the jig is up.

By showing the same images of the US marines being captured you are basically saying you are one-trick pony. Are we to conclude that because of one single incident IRI is suddenly a force to reckon with?! Greater powers like Russia (a dying power), or China (like China would jeopardize a 500+ billion dollar/year trade with the US for IRI) don't even claim that they are a match against the US in a conventional war.

IRI's power does come out of barrel of a gun. A gun pointed at innocent, unarmed Iranians who for some strange reason decide to commit suicide in IRI's prisons. I doubt very much that IRI's armed forces would be a match against the well armed and trained US Marines.

And yes the west already has a workable template to confront IRI: the very same one used in Syria, and Libya (not the Iraq template since it became a quagmire). The problem with IRI is bad behavior; IRI is a bad actor that has delusions of grandeur (effectively the same problem as the last Shah). IRI will be tamed, one way or the other, and we will all be better off. My hope is that it would not be as costly for the Iranians as it was for the Iraqis, Syrians and Libyans.

Even right wing generals like Mattis are under no illusion that the U.S. can invade Iran!


And yes Iran has a small outdated and old air force! But what is an Air Force used for?
Today Iran can conduct precision strikes with it's missile, gather intel with it's wide range of UAV's and when it comes to protecting it's Air Space from invading aircraft against the U.S. Iran would be far better off attempting to take out US fighter on the ground by targeting their bases rather than attempting to go for Air to Air victories where the U.S. has a clear advantage!


In Iraq It took the U.S. a decade of bombings against a country that had just finished an 8 year long war with it's neighbor to be able to achieve a successful invasion and that was against a country where a dictator of a minority sect was ruling over and oppressing the majority! By 2003 there were less than 1.5 Million Sunni Arab Men age 16-60 capable of fighting!

Where as Iran has over 20 million men(Male) fit for military service! Iran's volunteer basij force has nearly 10 million men and women signed up as volunteers during peace time!

 

[AmirPatriot]

And after all the "research" that you have done, your counter argument is always the same: "you fool", "you stupid", "you know nothing", "you are MKO", "you are shahi", "fake intellectual"... Come up with some counter-argument that does not involve you guys loosing your temper in the face of an opposing view.

Because you talk in absolutes. There is no point wasting my time trying to reason with someone who talks in absolutes.

And it has nothing, and absolutely nothing, to do with the US embargo.

See?

 

[mangekyo]

Really? If anyone thinks IRI is any match against the US behemoth they seriously need to stop drinking their own cool-aid. IRI has no strategic alliances that would side with her in case of a confrontation, has a restive and unhappy populace, has a corrupt and ineffective elite, an economy that's in free-fall, is not part of the global economy to cause any disruptions to it in case of a confrontation, and powerful neighbors that despise her. Add to that predicament the fact that IRI has no air force or military that can match any outside invader the size of the US.

Anyone that thinks the Iranians will demonstrate the same resolve, as when Iraq invaded Iran, when a new threat becomes a showdown is mistaken: for IRI the jig is up.

By showing the same images of the US marines being captured you are basically saying you are one-trick pony. Are we to conclude that because of one single incident IRI is suddenly a force to reckon with?! Greater powers like Russia (a dying power), or China (like China would jeopardize a 500+ billion dollar/year trade with the US for IRI) don't even claim that they are a match against the US in a conventional war.

IRI's power does come out of barrel of a gun. A gun pointed at innocent, unarmed Iranians who for some strange reason decide to commit suicide in IRI's prisons. I doubt very much that IRI's armed forces would be a match against the well armed and trained US Marines.

And yes the west already has a workable template to confront IRI: the very same one used in Syria, and Libya (not the Iraq template since it became a quagmire). The problem with IRI is bad behavior; IRI is a bad actor that has delusions of grandeur (effectively the same problem as the last Shah). IRI will be tamed, one way or the other, and we will all be better off. My hope is that it would not be as costly for the Iranians as it was for the Iraqis, Syrians and Libyans.

For over a decade, you, Americans have been talking about a war with Iran. If we are no match for you, why haven't you invaded us yet? Dont tell me you care about civilians because thats just BS.

You invaded Iraq and toppled Saddam. You used Taliban as an excuse to invade Afghanistan, you didnt dare invade us, yet somehow, Iran, using only our proxies, killed more American soldiers than The Iraqi army and Taliban combined.

Who are these powerful neighbours that you are talking about? Is it the Saudis that cant handle Yemen? The Emiratis that wont go out before the sun sets? Is it the arab states that couldnt do a sh*t against Israel? The same Israel that got its a** handed over by tiny hezbollah with the help of Iran... Or do you assume Turkey would go to war with Iran for the love of America or that Pakistanis would nuke Iran if US orders it?

Before assuming you would get support from any of Irans neighbour countries. Maybe you should ask Pakistanis how it would feel about a fellow muslim neighbour country being nuked.

There is a clear rivalry between Iran and Turkey, but do you think Turkey will attack Iran? A country with more than 30 million Turks

Only support you will get is from incompetent Saudis and UAE. And of course Israel that Hezbollah can handle pretty well.

We defeated you in Iraq, we defeated you in Afghanistan, we defeated you in Syria, and we defeated you in Lebanon. Anyone that thinks the Iranians will NOT demonstrate a far greater resolve than when Iraq invaded Iran, is going to have a devastating surprise.

We are not idiots, we know we are no match for you in a full-scale nuclear war, but do you honestly think Russia and China will sit back and watch US nuke the only country standing against US? What makes you think we wont nuke you back?

 

[WordsMatter]

For over a decade, you, Americans have been talking about a war with Iran. If we are no match for you, why haven't you invaded us yet? Dont tell me you care about civilians because thats just BS.

You invaded Iraq and toppled Saddam. You used Taliban as an excuse to invade Afghanistan, you didnt dare invade us, yet somehow, Iran, using only our proxies, killed more American soldiers than The Iraqi army and Taliban combined.

Who are these powerful neighbours that you are talking about? Is it the Saudis that cant handle Yemen? The Emiratis that wont go out before the sun sets? Is it the arab states that couldnt do a sh*t against Israel? The same Israel that got its a** handed over by tiny hezbollah with the help of Iran... Or do you assume Turkey would go to war with Iran for the love of America or that Pakistanis would nuke Iran if US orders it?

Before assuming you would get support from any of Irans neighbour countries. Maybe you should ask Pakistanis how it would feel about a fellow muslim neighbour country being nuked.

There is a clear rivalry between Iran and Turkey, but do you think Turkey will attack Iran? A country with more than 30 million Turks

Only support you will get is from incompetent Saudis and UAE. And of course Israel that Hezbollah can handle pretty well.

We defeated you in Iraq, we defeated you in Afghanistan, we defeated you in Syria, and we defeated you in Lebanon. Anyone that thinks the Iranians will NOT demonstrate a far greater resolve than when Iraq invaded Iran, is going to have a devastating surprise.

We are not idiots, we know we are no match for you in a full-scale nuclear war, but do you honestly think Russia and China will sit back and watch US nuke the only country standing against US? What makes you think we wont nuke you back?

FYI, your description of Arabs is plenty racist. Not sure why Iranians feel that they are any better than Arabs. It's like you think you are superior. You are not.

It's bizarre how you conclude that IRI has defeated the USA in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria. IRI could not defeat Saddam after 8 long years; IRI couldn't punish the Taliban for killing the Iranian diplomats; IRI can't challenge Saudi/UAE coalition, otherwise she would have busted through the Yemen's sea blockade. FGS, you can't even tackle your youth unemployment or environmental catastrophe that is turning Iran into a wasteland. Just a reminder, the last time Iran took on a great power it lost, and lost badly with loss of territory. And here I am referring to Russia. And if you think it will be different this time, it won't be.

It seems you have a warped definition of victory. You have not won in Syria: the war still rages, Turkey has invaded the country, and Saudi Arabia is still finances the rebels. You have not won in Afghanistan: Taliban is still challenging the status quo, the US is still there supporting the government. You haven't won anything in Iraq: it is still dependent on the US for survival.

But the point I was trying to make before the racists, the fake nationalists, and the vulgars started name calling me was the following: don't believe the fake narrative that IRI feeds you. It's "fake" news. There's nothing there except a corrupt political class hell-bent on keeping the status quo, using disproportionate violence against unarmed Iranians to remain in power. And when the fall comes, and Iran becomes a patch-work of ethnic enclaves, she will be reduced to a country no different than Syria, Libya or Iraq, with each ethnic group fighting over the little treasure she is left with. You don't think that can happen, think Syria; think Libya; think Iraq. And that won't be because the US desired it but because your beloved mullahs caused it. IRI, and her supporters, must, at some point, accept blame for Iran's predicament. They have been in power for 40 years; they can't keep blaming outside forces for what they have done and are doing to the country. It's funny one of the slogans of unpaid factory workers in the recent unrests in Iran was: "we don't get paid, death to Israel". That should tell you plenty about how Iranians feel about their political leaders.

And you would be the one plenty surprised when neither the Chinese nor the Russians come to IRI's aid in case of a confrontation with the US. I say this because rational countries make rational decisions based on their own national interests, and not based on another country's national interests. What interest exists for either of these two countries to side with IRI? I can't see one.

what a pathetic self hating American wannabe.... I cringe when I read your spam posts. seriously dude seek some help about your identity crisis


your talking points are too ridiculous for anyone to bother giving a more serious response then they already have..

you don't have a shred of gheyrat or Iranian spirit left in you. a patheticly small person with an inferiorioty complex desperately trying to trash his ancestral lands to try and fit in with white americans he sees as superior.

ive seen your kind before. They most pathetic be gheyrat worthless sell outs on this earth.


despite the fact that your white masters will never see you as an American, and blatantly insult you by treating you as some sort of hostile potential terrorist that needs extra visa restrictions (while laughably omitting actualy terrorist states like wahabi arabia).

you are very pathetic individual my friend. just forget about iran. you obviously have no connections to it, and iran doesn't really have any desperate need for traitor wannabes with identity problems weighing it down. I suggest you visit some alt right/ or Zionist forum to spread your anti-iran trash while rubbing American nut sack.

you will find a much more receptive audience there, and I'm sure they wouldn't mind a little supposed "Iranian" pet to confirm propaganda talking points about iran.

Your point is what exactly here? That you love your country? And I don't love IRI? Don't equate Iran with IRI. One is a country and the other is a system of government, a bad one I might add. Learn to separate the two and don't get emotional. If you have an intelligent argument to make, make it without insulting opposing views.

 

[mangekyo]

FYI, your description of Arabs is plenty racist. Not sure why Iranians feel that they are any better than Arabs. It's like you think you are superior. You are not.

Show me where I said anything racist you troll.

It's bizarre how you conclude that IRI has defeated the USA in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria. IRI could not defeat Saddam after 8 long years; IRI couldn't punish the Taliban for killing the Iranian diplomats; IRI can't challenge Saudi/UAE coalition, otherwise she would have busted through the Yemen's sea blockade. FGS, you can't even tackle your youth unemployment or environmental catastrophe that is turning Iran into a wasteland. Just a reminder, the last time Iran took on a great power it lost, and lost badly with loss of territory. And here I am referring to Russia. And if you think it will be different this time, it won't be.

It seems you have a warped definition of victory. You have not won in Syria: the war still rages, Turkey has invaded the country, and Saudi Arabia is still finances the rebels. You have not won in Afghanistan: Taliban is still challenging the status quo, the US is still there supporting the government. You haven't won anything in Iraq: it is still dependent on the US for survival.

You spent hundreds of billions of dollars on Iraq, and you lost thousands of American lives. Who has the most influence over Iraq? Do you think it is you? Then why couldn't you defend your assets in barzanistan?

What happened to your dreams of creating anti Iranian forces near our borders with Afghanistan?
What happened to your dreams of removing Iranian influence from Syria?
What happened to your dreams of toppling Assad?
What happened to your dreams of removing Hezbollah?

We crushed them all. But yeah, I have a warped definition of victory...


We were not in a war with only Saddam. The entire world was supporting and arming him for almost a decade, you even provided him with chemical weapons. And still you couldnt defeat us.

We cant challenge the Saudi/UAE coalition? Are you seriously this stupid? Whats stopping them from attacking us if we cant match them? They cant even handle Yemen.

Turkey invading Syria has nothing to do with Iran.

But the point I was trying to make before the racists, the fake nationalists, and the vulgars started name calling me was the following: don't believe the fake narrative that IRI feeds you. It's "fake" news. There's nothing there except a corrupt political class hell-bent on keeping the status quo, using disproportionate violence against unarmed Iranians to remain in power. And when the fall comes, and Iran becomes a patch-work of ethnic enclaves, she will be reduced to a country no different than Syria, Libya or Iraq, with each ethnic group fighting over the little treasure she is left with. You don't think that can happen, think Syria; think Libya; think Iraq. And that won't be because the US desired it but because your beloved mullahs caused it. IRI, and her supporters, must, at some point, accept blame for Iran's predicament. They have been in power for 40 years; they can't keep blaming outside forces for what they have done and are doing to the country. It's funny one of the slogans of unpaid factory workers in the recent unrests in Iran was: "we don't get paid, death to Israel". That should tell you plenty about how Iranians feel about their political leaders.

I am not those Iranians living in LA that have no clue about whats going on in Iran. These lies dont work on me kid. The only reason for Irans economic problems are because of the economic warfare you have waged on us. Not because of mullahs. They are not to blame

Dream on kid, Iran will never be like Syria, Iraq or Libya. You really have no clue at all. Your entire post is filled with fairytales. In Irans 2500+ year old history we have never had ethnic disputes.

As for Russia and China coming to Irans rescue, Im pretty sure no one wants a Pro American Iran as their neighbour. Putin already indirectly said he would nuke anyone that nukes Iran.

“We would consider any use of nuclear weapons against Russia or its allies to be a nuclear attack on our country. The response would be immediate,” Putin said in a speech to Russian lawmakers. Being that Putin only has two allies. Iran and Syria and considering the fact that no one would ever think of nuking Syria, Im pretty sure hes talking about Iran

your own simulated war (defeat) against Iran

Do you have link?

 

[Tokhme khar]

Sounds like his words really don't matter............Poor kid probably working a shit job somewhere in LA, gets bored and comes here to get absolutely mauled. Worse is that had he been educated he would see right thru his own propaganda.

 

[mangekyo]

what a pathetic self hating American wannabe.... I cringe when I read your spam posts. seriously dude seek some help about your identity crisis


your talking points are too ridiculous for anyone to bother giving a more serious response then they already have..

you don't have a shred of gheyrat or Iranian spirit left in you. a patheticly small person with an inferiorioty complex desperately trying to trash his ancestral lands to try and fit in with white americans he sees as superior.

ive seen your kind before. They most pathetic be gheyrat worthless sell outs on this earth.


despite the fact that your white masters will never see you as an American, and blatantly insult you by treating you as some sort of hostile potential terrorist that needs extra visa restrictions (while laughably omitting actualy terrorist states like wahabi arabia).

you are very pathetic individual my friend. just forget about iran. you obviously have no connections to it, and iran doesn't really have any desperate need for traitor wannabes with identity problems weighing it down. I suggest you visit some alt right/ or Zionist forum to spread your anti-iran trash while rubbing American nut sack.

you will find a much more receptive audience there, and I'm sure they wouldn't mind a little supposed "Iranian" pet to confirm propaganda talking points about iran.

LOL, is wordsmatter Iranian?