Trump and Tehran: This is not 2003 and Iran is not Iraq

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

There you again taking the high road and feeling all high and mighty. I wonder how you turned out to be all knowing? You are an arm-chair general, if that.
I have no "wet" dreams about US attacking Iran. It's you who dreams about IRI teaching the US a lesson. That will never happen.


What? You still need evidence?! Take a look at what has become of Syria, IRI's closest ally in the Arab world. Just so that we are clear: IRI has been a sworn enemy of the US for the last 40 odd years. Do you believe that after all these years there's a single US politician, political advisor, military leader that has any good will towards IRI? That they will have second thoughts when the US president declares war on IRI? Or will question the wisdom of regime change? I assure you no one in the US, the west, and Persian Gulf will mourn IRI's demise. And they wouldn't lose a minute of sleep if millions of Iranians become refugees and hundred of thousands die.
IRI brings nothing in terms of strategic depth or military capabilities. Her armed forces are not configured to withstand America's might, shock-and-awe, arial and naval dominance. Name a weapons system in IRI's arsenal that would give her an edge over the US? Name just one?
What you would like to see happen is very different from what's real on the ground. IRI's armed forces are configured to suppress her own population. IRI just lost one her biggest frigates in Anzali.


Oy vey... You mean the same Americans that removed Saddam Houssien in less than a month? Those Americans?! Something IRI couldn't do in 8 long years? Or Saudi Arabia wouldn't do? Or Turkey didn't do? You mean those Americans? Those very Americans who deposed Milosevich for killing Yugoslavia's muslims? You mean the same America that liberated Kuwait? That has kept peace in Europe, ensured independence of Taiwan, has kept psychopaths like IRI from harming Israel? That America that gives aid to Egypt, and Pakistan? You mean the America that removed Taliban from power?
If that's the America you are referring to, then be rest assured it will surely come as there will be tomorrow. America is not afraid of phony achievements, dogmatic declarations, or a few bearded thugs that kill unarmed people.


You mean USS Fitzgerald and USS John S. McCain incidents were the work of IRI? Is that what you mean by forgotten about these incidents? Good to know you know your history.
Yes that's exactly my point: more than 1 million Iraqis have died since Iraq war debacle. Something 2 bit despots like IRI should learn from if they really care about their people. But as despots go, they don't care. What matters to IRI is dogma, elite survival, embezzlement; indeed the hallmarks of "good" governance for most IRI supporters.
Yes Busch lied and caused so much pain, suffering, and death. But the outcome was that Iraq will never ever be able to challenge any single country. It's a country that will look inwards for a very long time: no delusions about dominance, or power. Simply getting her footing back. Is this what you are advocating for Iran?

Bearded thugs????...........because americans NEVER commit atrocities or kill innocents...............

 

[Blue In Green]

There you again taking the high road and feeling all high and mighty. I wonder how you turned out to be all knowing? You are an arm-chair general, if that.
I have no "wet" dreams about US attacking Iran. It's you who dreams about IRI teaching the US a lesson. That will never happen.


What? You still need evidence?! Take a look at what has become of Syria, IRI's closest ally in the Arab world. Just so that we are clear: IRI has been a sworn enemy of the US for the last 40 odd years. Do you believe that after all these years there's a single US politician, political advisor, military leader that has any good will towards IRI? That they will have second thoughts when the US president declares war on IRI? Or will question the wisdom of regime change? I assure you no one in the US, the west, and Persian Gulf will mourn IRI's demise. And they wouldn't lose a minute of sleep if millions of Iranians become refugees and hundred of thousands die.
IRI brings nothing in terms of strategic depth or military capabilities. Her armed forces are not configured to withstand America's might, shock-and-awe, arial and naval dominance. Name a weapons system in IRI's arsenal that would give her an edge over the US? Name just one?
What you would like to see happen is very different from what's real on the ground. IRI's armed forces are configured to suppress her own population. IRI just lost one her biggest frigates in Anzali.


Oy vey... You mean the same Americans that removed Saddam Houssien in less than a month? Those Americans?! Something IRI couldn't do in 8 long years? Or Saudi Arabia wouldn't do? Or Turkey didn't do? You mean those Americans? Those very Americans who deposed Milosevich for killing Yugoslavia's muslims? You mean the same America that liberated Kuwait? That has kept peace in Europe, ensured independence of Taiwan, has kept psychopaths like IRI from harming Israel? That America that gives aid to Egypt, and Pakistan? You mean the America that removed Taliban from power?
If that's the America you are referring to, then be rest assured it will surely come as there will be tomorrow. America is not afraid of phony achievements, dogmatic declarations, or a few bearded thugs that kill unarmed people.


You mean USS Fitzgerald and USS John S. McCain incidents were the work of IRI? Is that what you mean by forgotten about these incidents? Good to know you know your history.
Yes that's exactly my point: more than 1 million Iraqis have died since Iraq war debacle. Something 2 bit despots like IRI should learn from if they really care about their people. But as despots go, they don't care. What matters to IRI is dogma, elite survival, embezzlement; indeed the hallmarks of "good" governance for most IRI supporters.
Yes Busch lied and caused so much pain, suffering, and death. But the outcome was that Iraq will never ever be able to challenge any single country. It's a country that will look inwards for a very long time: no delusions about dominance, or power. Simply getting her footing back. Is this what you are advocating for Iran?

Oh where do we begin.

First, Iran has the S-300pmu2 neither you or me know how truly effective US air craft will be against that but what we do know so far is that system is a little less effective then the world renowned S-400. Iran's own Bavar-373 is going into full scale production to fill in any gaps that Iran has in it's air defense for the time being. Considering how much time and money, national pride was put into the the project it would be ok to assume that this system isn't just a bunch of cardboard paper mock ups.

US marines have gone up against an heavily sanctioned Iraq, a weakened Iraq that had little to no national pride to fight an invader. FOUR decades WordsMatter, FOUR EFFING DECADES Iran has been watching learning and preparing for what the US will do in case of a war, they are ready no matter what you say and it won't be some sort of walk in the park. I could bring up the MOSAIC defense doctrine that Iran applies to it's forces, that alone will make any war against Iran a living nightmare for the US forces how ever "invincible" you may think they are. Iran also has a varied and largely mountainous terrain that will be hell for invading or attacking US forces. Bunkers and many military installations are buried deep under mountains (not just a few of them but numerous amounts of them). I would love to see the efficacy of the aging Tomahawk missile in an attack Iran, the last one in Syria didn't go all that well. Pride, I can say that Iran will put up a fight against the US tooth and nail, they won't just run away like the Iraqis who had little to no reason to fight for the country ruled by a TRUE dictator (Iran's form of government is not a dictatorship and there is a decent amount Iranians that support the country, you know, they DON'T WANNA SEE IT BECOME LIKE THE OTHER COUNTRIES THE US BOMBED INTO "FREEDOM"). Last time I went to Iran was around idk, 2012 sanctions were in full-swing but still when I asked my family and friends even those who are against the government what they thought of a war situation against the US, ALL OF THEM SAID THEY WILL SUPPORT A FIGHT AGAINST AN INVADING US, NO EXCEPTIONS. I have family from Tehran (rich part), and Ahvaz (poor parts) but they both have no reason to not support their country in a fight against the international bully known as the US.

Iran is a different story and your calls of discontent from the Iranian populace are fair but only to an extent. I can also say that there are swathes of Americans here in our own country that would like nothing more than to grab a gun and start killing other Americans and start a Civil war due to there own discontent with the government and or country (not to mention the US really hasn't recovered from the 2008 economic down-turn, the Media and financial analysis can say what they want, lets wait and see how this presumedTrade-war with China will end). There is A METRIC *** LOAD OF POOR/DISCONTENT AMERICANS THAT ARE DISENFRANCHIZED AND WOULD LIKE NOTHING MORE THAN TO START A WAR HERE IN THE US. The US government isn't popular here or over seas.

The cause of Iran's financial problems are largely from the sanctions put on them for whatever damn hypocritical reason the West and US tries to justify them with. Iran would be an amazing economy but Iran decided 40 years ago to become SOVEREIGN but I guess that is a no no.

'bad-behavior" omg.... Screw you dude, just screw you. We Americans have no right AT ALL to call Iran out on effing BAD-BEHAVIOR. Iran like any other country is vying for control over the region in it's own ways. Establishing relationships with Lebanon, Syria and Iraq, helping Hezbollah arm against a HPYER AGGRESSIVE ISRAEL, is not bad-behavior just helping allies defend themselves against an...oh...IDK invader? Bad behavior... holy...

Lastly, The world is changing and the US in no longer the top dog. China and Russia will help Iran in whatever way they can (No one here knows what Iran and Russia talk in the meetings they have or what China and Iran talk when having back door conversations no one does, it's all here say really, both my points and yours of Iran little to no meaningful strategic alliances lol). I highly doubt they will sit idly by on the sidelines and watch another nation that is important to both just be bombed to high hell (that which no one here really knows how effective a US bombing campaign will be against Iran).

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

Another Self hating "Iranian" American!

 

[Blue In Green]

Bearded thugs????...........because americans NEVER commit atrocities or kill innocents...............

The main issue is that US has no right to tell Iran what it should do or is doing wrong. US has done worse and killed many MORE than Iran will ever.

 

[T-123456]

There you again taking the high road and feeling all high and mighty. I wonder how you turned out to be all knowing? You are an arm-chair general, if that.
I have no "wet" dreams about US attacking Iran. It's you who dreams about IRI teaching the US a lesson. That will never happen.


What? You still need evidence?! Take a look at what has become of Syria, IRI's closest ally in the Arab world. Just so that we are clear: IRI has been a sworn enemy of the US for the last 40 odd years. Do you believe that after all these years there's a single US politician, political advisor, military leader that has any good will towards IRI? That they will have second thoughts when the US president declares war on IRI? Or will question the wisdom of regime change? I assure you no one in the US, the west, and Persian Gulf will mourn IRI's demise. And they wouldn't lose a minute of sleep if millions of Iranians become refugees and hundred of thousands die.
IRI brings nothing in terms of strategic depth or military capabilities. Her armed forces are not configured to withstand America's might, shock-and-awe, arial and naval dominance. Name a weapons system in IRI's arsenal that would give her an edge over the US? Name just one?
What you would like to see happen is very different from what's real on the ground. IRI's armed forces are configured to suppress her own population. IRI just lost one her biggest frigates in Anzali.


Oy vey... You mean the same Americans that removed Saddam Houssien in less than a month? Those Americans?! Something IRI couldn't do in 8 long years? Or Saudi Arabia wouldn't do? Or Turkey didn't do? You mean those Americans? Those very Americans who deposed Milosevich for killing Yugoslavia's muslims? You mean the same America that liberated Kuwait? That has kept peace in Europe, ensured independence of Taiwan, has kept psychopaths like IRI from harming Israel? That America that gives aid to Egypt, and Pakistan? You mean the America that removed Taliban from power?
If that's the America you are referring to, then be rest assured it will surely come as there will be tomorrow. America is not afraid of phony achievements, dogmatic declarations, or a few bearded thugs that kill unarmed people.


You mean USS Fitzgerald and USS John S. McCain incidents were the work of IRI? Is that what you mean by forgotten about these incidents? Good to know you know your history.
Yes that's exactly my point: more than 1 million Iraqis have died since Iraq war debacle. Something 2 bit despots like IRI should learn from if they really care about their people. But as despots go, they don't care. What matters to IRI is dogma, elite survival, embezzlement; indeed the hallmarks of "good" governance for most IRI supporters.
Yes Busch lied and caused so much pain, suffering, and death. But the outcome was that Iraq will never ever be able to challenge any single country. It's a country that will look inwards for a very long time: no delusions about dominance, or power. Simply getting her footing back. Is this what you are advocating for Iran?

Come back to reality,you are bullshitting about Iran being your enemy for 40 years yet you dont dare shit.
Iran this Iran that,show some balls and do something,if you got the balls.

 

[SubWater]

Come back to reality,you are bullshitting about Iran being your enemy for 40 years yet you dont dare shit.
Iran this Iran that,show some balls and do something,if you got the balls.

They are bluffing about war with Iran.
That is last American Tactic to impose its wills on Iran.

 

[Tokhme khar]

It well and truly is over now, the wet dream of attacking Iran, or for that matter the DPRK, no matter what!

The US could have done it back in 2003, with all its might, however even then a success in toppling the Islamic Government was far from certain. Now 15 years later with Iran running the ME from Lebanon to western Afghanistan.........lol.........comeon now.......let's not kid ourselves. Events have run their course and the US stands defeated against Iran. US interventions in SyRaq, AfPak, Crimea, Donbas, SCS...and its subsequent defeats in these theaters........man its been a total disaster. Now with Russia/ China behind Iran and the DPRK, it is the ultimate policy failure for the US. These fcuk heads in the beltway even managed to ruin their relationships with the other two non Arab muslim allies, if it wasn't enough. US relations with both Turkey and Pakestan are very strained today, and on the verge of being hostile.

We are better off discussing how can and when there will be a most certain rapprochement between Iran and the US. The answer to that too is that the US will have to bend over for Iran. It's obvious. Trump will throw in the towel soon. It's inevitable.

 

[Max]

I dont think even Mullah expect their forces to fight conventional war against US while standing on borders hence they have asymmetric (guerilla) doctrine.. correct me if i am wrong.

 

[Tokhme khar]

 

[raptor22]

Oy vey... You mean the same Americans that removed Saddam Houssien in less than a month? Those Americans?! Something IRI couldn't do in 8 long years? Or Saudi Arabia wouldn't do? Or Turkey didn't do?

The US didn't remove Saddam over a night but it took 13 years ... in 2003 after a decade of sanctions and oil for food programme which caused 500k Iraq children lives (As many as 576,000 Iraqi children may have died since the end of the Persian Gulf war because of economic sanctions imposed by the Security Council, according to two scientists who surveyed the country for the Food and Agriculture Organization) eventually ended in people turning away their support for the government for its policy esp crack down of Shia and Kurds back in 91 in presence of American troops ... actually people thought the US troops would help them (Some uprising participants said they had expected support from nearby American troops, especially after President Bush's call on Iraqis to rise up and oust Saddam . The Allied army at the time was occupying one-sixth of Iraq, and the 24th Infantry Division (Mechanized) of the U.S. Army was stationed only several miles from Basra.)but on contrary and despite no fly zone on Iraq air space Saddam hovered his choppers and massacred people.


In 2003 Iraq had already been destroyed by 3 wars since 1980, sanctions didn't allow Saddam to renew his army and lack of Iraqi people support and the fact that he had already invaded his neighbors and no one helped him during war made this war easy. while during Iran Iraq war Saddam enjoyed flood of arms,CW, BM, Tanks, Fighter jets, French pilots and AD systems, helicopters even nuclear reactor and Arab dictators petrol $ and their support + American and western countries military and political support .. Iraq power had not been exhausted due to being engaged in a war whilst Iran had just experienced a revolution, several military coups in its army, some purges, a stop in chain of spare parts and military advisor, terrorism (killing people, president, prime minister, spokesman of the parliament and 72 PM), secession in Kurdistan and Ahvaz supported and back by Saddam and many other reasons made Iran far far away from being able to defend itself let alone to remove Saddam...

In 2003 the US attacked Iraq under pretexts of WMD and terrorism ...The point is who provided these weapons for Saddam and whom supported him to use them and then who attacked Saddam for the very same CW?

Exclusive: CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran

"...In 1988, during the waning days of Iraq’s war with Iran, the United States learned through satellite imagery that Iran was about to gain a major strategic advantage by exploiting a hole in Iraqi defenses. U.S. intelligence officials conveyed the location of the Iranian troops to Iraq, fully aware that Hussein’s military would attack with chemical weapons, including sarin, a lethal nerve agent..."​

Or depleted uranium weaponry used by the US in Iraq in 1991,2003 and ...

US fired depleted uranium at civilian areas in 2003 Iraq war, report finds

https://twitter.com/x/status/979049228470124545

On the other hand terrorism:
Brzezinski Vision to Lure Soviets into ‘Afghan Trap’ Now Orlando’s Nightmare

"What Stansfield Turner was saying in 1995 was that Brzezinski’s well-known Russophobia led him to take advantage of the Soviet’s miscalculation. But it wasn’t until the 1998 Nouvel Observateur interview that Brzezinski boasted that he had provoked the invasion by getting Carter to authorize a Presidential finding to intentionally suck the Soviets in six months before they even considered invading. Yet, despite Brzezinski’s admission, Washington’s entire political spectrum continued to embrace his original false narrative that the Soviets had embarked on a world conquest."


In fact Americans create the problem and then use those problems to attack more countries ...American used weapon of mass destruction and terrorism which they were involved in creating them as pretext to attack Iraq and despite these fabricated stories they lied to people again .. attacking Iraq and other countries in the region had already planed before 9/11 terrorism attacks.

The policy of lying has been continued so far in this region.

 

[WordsMatter]

Another Self hating "Iranian" American!

I don't hate you, or the Iranian people... Just the way IRI has ruined a once great culture and civilization.

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

I don't hate you, or the Iranian people... Just the way IRI has ruined a once great culture and civilization.[/QUOTE[/QUOT

You worship at the Alter of Uncle Sam. You ARE anti-Iranian whether you are too stupid to realize it or not!

 

[AmirPatriot]

>tells me I'm an armchair general

IRI brings nothing in terms of strategic depth or military capabilities. Her armed forces are not configured to withstand America's might, shock-and-awe, arial and naval dominance. Name a weapons system in IRI's arsenal that would give her an edge over the US? Name just one?

>Proceeds to talk about war as if it's a video game.

Go measure the distance between the Persian gulf and Tehran, look at some topographic maps, Google some population figures, research the Mosaic doctrine, and then come and tell me about strategic depth you pompous fool.

 

[Tokhme khar]

Sometimes we wonder what's wrong with these MKO and Shahi type kids masquerading around as intellectuals....lol

Just a small conversation and their arguments are laid thread bare........just un-intellectual garbage! He knows what's up........harumzade just arguing for the sake of arguing.

 

[Raghfarm007]

America is a sheethole full of retarded kunts... they are the ones drinking the coolaid... I laugh every time I hear them speak out of their arse, and think they just said something intelligent.
Poor dumb fuks have lost all their wars in the past 50 years, and they think they can handel Iran?

Irans too clever to be touched by the fat yankee tards.
Its been playing withem tards for 40 years now... by paying others to bleed them pigs... NOW is when the Amerikkkans are gonna take action?! LOL