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[T-123456]

a better question would be how many support bashar al-assad, don't you think??

even if what you imply is true, turkish members supporting nato aggression against syria would be the same as supporting erdogan because there is no vocal opposition to erdogan among these members and no vocal support for the left-wing movement... perhaps these members are fence-sitters, opportunists, not bothering if right-wing or the nationalist semi-right-wing govern turkey even if the government policies are causing war and destruction.

No Turk would support Assad,what NATO agression,why not talk about Assad's agression to his own people?
If Syrians were so happy with Assad,then why did they protest,demonstrate against Assad?
Why kill over 200k Syrians?
What you maybe dont get is that Turks defend their country against enemies,this doesnt mean they agree with the government.
So if China would attack you for a right reason,you wouldnt defend your country?
You should use logic and realism instead of being anti to everything.
Lets talk about me,im against Erdogan(always was),so because of Erdogan being in power,i have to stop being a Turk?
I shouldnt defend my country and people?
Are you ok?
Or is it because you are a socialist/communist or whatever you want to call it and Russia was the mother of your political view,you support Russia and its allies?
Dont come with Humanitarian blah blah,cause if you were a humanitarian person,you would have blamed all sides.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Thank you for informing us about them Jamahir,but how did you find out?
I still dont see it,i must be blinded by nationalism huh?

Why are you so irritable all the time? Something or the other seems to be bothering you always. Cheer up; things could be worse. You could have a jackass like me intervening far more often than I do.

 

[jamahir]

No Turk would support Assad,

incorrect... i know a small group of turks ( from turkey ) on fb who do.

what NATO agression,why not talk about Assad's agression to his own people?
If Syrians were so happy with Assad,then why did they protest,demonstrate against Assad?
Why kill over 200k Syrians?

come on, countless discussions have been done on pdf about this... didn't irfan baloch recently create a thread about the syrian "rebels"??

What you maybe dont get is that Turks defend their country against enemies,this doesnt mean they agree with the government.

was syria your ( personally ) enemy before 2011??

“Bashar is a good friend of mine and we had long discussions [for a year or even more] about lifting [the] state of emergency, [the] release of political prisoners, we discussed these issues and elections, I mean, changing the election system, allowing political parties, and we discussed all of these issues with him,” Erdoğan told PBS's Charlie Rose Show on Wednesday night.

Erdoğan said it was still too early to call for Assad's withdrawal, emphasizing that it is a decision up to the Syrian people. “And I wish Syria is not damaged by that. The unity and integrity of Syria should remain, and they should act in unity and integrity, and that's how we want to see our neighbor,” Erdoğan said.

source - Erdoğan: Assad is a good friend, but he delayed reform efforts

So if China would attack you for a right reason,you wouldnt defend your country?

i will only say that nato is going about the world bringing "democracy", i would want them to invade india and make regime-change of the current government ( bjp party ), but i know that will not happen because bjp is fascist and right-wing/reactionary and not socialist/progressive.

but if such a regime-change happens in india, the chaos will give a chance for the progressives to regroup and take control.

You should use logic and realism instead of being anti to everything.

how am i anti everything?? i am not a criminal or a anarchist.

Lets talk about me,im against Erdogan(always was),so because of Erdogan being in power,i have to stop being a Turk?

can you tell me why you say you are against erdogan??

I shouldnt defend my country and people?
Are you ok?

of course you should defend your people.

but what was your reaction when the ankara bombing happened resulting 100+ deaths and 400+ injured?? you very well know that akp or the government is being blamed for it.

Or is it because you are a socialist/communist or whatever you want to call it and Russia was the mother of your political view,you support Russia and its allies?

i don't support putin entirely but i see russia as a force for good, bringing balance in the uno and outside of it... it is russia's mistake to not enter the syria war right in the beginning as also the mistake to let libya be overrun by nato.

Dont come with Humanitarian blah blah,cause if you were a humanitarian person,you would have blamed all sides.

i have said in other threads that the legitimate opposition in syria, not affiliated to nato-supported armed groups, have the human right to be listened by the syrian government and their legitimate demands become part of the system... even al-assad says this in his interviews every time... he also said that any valid report of abuse by the syrian armed forces and security are looked into and action taken against the abusers.

have you not read of syrian rebels captured by the syrian armed forces being released from jail as a human gesture on promise of reform??

while i won't be automatic in blaming all sides for no reason at all, i do have a heart so i will speak of real abuses by any side.

 

[abp94]

If its about a cause then isis also has a cause and their methods are more than just ''questionable'' just as pkk, why are we even discussing this?
Like pkk as much as you want but dont expect Turks to share the same view as you.

No one expects Turks to agree, but as was mentioned on the previous page, supporting PKK has a direct ban. That's ridiculous because PKK is not ISIS. It's a freedom movement (No matter how misguided it may be).

 

[Joe Shearer]

incorrect... i know a small group of turks ( from turkey ) on fb who do.



come on, countless discussions have been done on pdf about this... didn't irfan baloch recently create a thread about the syrian "rebels"??



was syria your ( personally ) enemy before 2011??

source - Erdoğan: Assad is a good friend, but he delayed reform efforts



i will only say that nato is going about the world bringing "democracy", i would want them to invade india and make regime-change of the current government ( bjp party ), but i know that will not happen because bjp is fascist and right-wing/reactionary and not socialist/progressive.

but if such a regime-change happens in india, the chaos will give a chance for the progressives to regroup and take control.



how am i anti everything?? i am not a criminal or a anarchist.



can you tell me why you say you are against erdogan??



of course you should defend your people.

but what was your reaction when the ankara bombing happened resulting 100+ deaths and 400+ injured?? you very well know that akp or the government is being blamed for it.



i don't support putin entirely but i see russia as a force for good, bringing balance in the uno and outside of it... it is russia's mistake to not enter the syria war right in the beginning as also the mistake to let libya be overrun by nato.



i have said in other threads that the legitimate opposition in syria, not affiliated to nato-supported armed groups, have the human right to be listened by the syrian government and their legitimate demands become part of the system... even al-assad says this in his interviews every time... he also said that any valid report of abuse by the syrian armed forces and security are looked into and action taken against the abusers.

have you not read of syrian rebels captured by the syrian armed forces being released from jail as a human gesture on promise of reform??

while i won't be automatic in blaming all sides for no reason at all, i do have a heart so i will speak of real abuses by any side.

If NATO were to leave the North Atlantic and attack India to bring about regime change, I would fight side by side with the BJP/RSS scum.

PS: I read what I wrote and laughed out loud. Fight! 65-year old dotard! Perhaps I could drive or pack ammunition, or something, anything. But I would do what I could to get the enemy out.

 

[T-123456]

Why are you so irritable all the time? Something or the other seems to be bothering you always. Cheer up; things could be worse. You could have a jackass like me intervening far more often than I do.

How could there something be bothering me,does it sound like im sick of explaining everything every time again and again and still some so called ''intelligent'' enough people dont get it or dont want to get it?
No Joe,all is fine.
You can intevene all you want Joe,as long as you do it to somewhat equal opponents,i have no problems with that.

 

[KingWest]

No one expects Turks to agree, but as was mentioned on the previous page, supporting PKK has a direct ban. That's ridiculous because PKK is not ISIS. It's a freedom movement (No matter how misguided it may be).

A freedom organization on the terror list of the EU , the US etc etc. Supporting terror organizations should indeed lead to a ban.

 

[T-123456]

come on, countless discussions have been done on pdf about this... didn't irfan baloch recently create a thread about the syrian "rebels"??

If he did,im sure you must have seen my posts there to?

was syria your ( personally ) enemy before 2011??

Syria was never my enemy,Assad is my enemy and not because of erdogan but what he did and does to his people.

i will only say that nato is going about the world bringing "democracy",

That is not the objective of NATO,it was the US who wanted that and since they control NATO,others had to join.

but what was your reaction when the ankara bombing happened resulting 100+ deaths and 400+ injured?? you very well know that akp or the government is being blamed for it.

You said it,being blamed for it
The PKK is also blamed for it,why dont you believe that claim?
By whome,where is the proof?

how am i anti everything?? i am not a criminal or a anarchist.

You are against every regime that is not former communist or socialist.
I guess you cant take the loss that communism experienced and are trying to compensate for it by this attitude.

can you tell me why you say you are against erdogan??

Im against him trying to turn my Turkish Republik into something else,the corruption by him and his gang,the sectarian attitude,the peace process with the PKK which caused alot of damage to our country,im against his involvement in the Syria crisis(from the beginning),his foreign policy is riddiculous,he is a big joke,for me,he is not a Turk etc..

i don't support putin entirely but i see russia as a force for good, bringing balance in the uno and outside of it... it is russia's mistake to not enter the syria war right in the beginning as also the mistake to let libya be overrun by nato.

You have no clue of geopolitics,you still have your fantasy about communist Russia.
Russia cant bring any to peace the world,Russia only cares for its interests.
If im your ally,i support you openly from the beginning and not when i see that it will benefit my interests,think about that.
For Russia,its about a pipeline or the lack of it(im sure you didnt understand what i meant here).

i have said in other threads that the legitimate opposition in syria, not affiliated to nato-supported armed groups, abusershave the human right to be listened by the syrian government and their legitimate demands become part of the system... even al-assad says this in his interviews every time... he also said that any valid report of abuse by the syrian armed forces and security are looked into and action taken against the abusers.

What bs,wy didnt Assad do that when people started protesting at the beginning of the Syria crisis?
Do you really believe this bs?
How can you be taken serious with such a post?

have you not read of syrian rebels captured by the syrian armed forces being released from jail as a human gesture on promise of reform??

Were they Kurds,Christian or Shia Arabs?

while i won't be automatic in blaming all sides for no reason at all, i do have a heart so i will speak of real abuses by any side.

Bs,your hate for NATO makes you biased.

 

[Joe Shearer]

How could there something be bothering me,does it sound like im sick of explaining everything every time again and again and still some so called ''intelligent'' enough people dont get it or dont want to get it?
No Joe,all is fine.
You can intevene all you want Joe,as long as you do it to somewhat equal opponents,i have no problems with that.

I understand. It can get irritating. I don't want to intervene, because the positions of all concerned are all very clear. There is little or nothing to be added. Turks are patriotic, and they will fight for their country, right or wrong, as would I, and as I would hope fervently that every Indian will once the chips are down. Some Turks support the Erdogan brand of Islamisation, some are opposed to it, but not in a noisy, attention-getting manner. No Turk likes the thought of the PKK, and they are generally considered terrorist. Erdogan himself seems to have very ambiguous feelings towards Syria, and towards Assad.

It's good. It's reasonable. It's rational.

 

[T-123456]

PKK It's a freedom movement (No matter how misguided it may be).

Why are you talking about things you dont know nothing about?
Why, if it is the freedom movement of the Kurds,why does the PKK only have 50k members,at most out of the 15 million Kurds in Turkiye?
Use your brain!

 

[M.AsfandYar]

Restrict various nationality members to their specific country defence, social, economic threads.

Only allow senior members with less than 10 negative ratings to move around to other country sections.

Problem solved.

overall its a good solution but it has 1 downside:
this will bar me from watching my turkish brothers fight!!!
so no!!!

 

[pak-marine]

@ Mods many pakistani members seniors or juniors keep cusing on qadiyani / ahmedia prophets , their sect and their religious personalities along with hindus etc etc .. Hope and Like to see an action on those soon (banned or infractions)

 

[Joe Shearer]

@ Mods many pakistani members seniors or juniors keep cusing on qadiyani / ahmedia prophets , their sect and their religious personalities along with hindus etc etc .. Hope and Like to see an action on those soon (banned or infractions)

Oh boy, yes, I'm primarily referring to the abuse of Hindus, but it does make painful reading to read those comments about Ahmedis.

 

[pak-marine]

Oh boy, yes, I'm primarily referring to the abuse of Hindus, but it does make painful reading to read those comments about Ahmedis.

Ahmedis , hindus are in the same basket shias will be next followed the rest of 72 sects.. We may realise when Baghdadi the calipha may ask to sign some kind of declaration declaring unbeleivers (in his calipahte) heretics

 

[Joe Shearer]

Ahmedis , hindus are in the same basket shias will be next followed the rest of 72 sects.. We may realise when Baghdadi the calipha may ask to sign some kind of declaration declaring unbeleivers (in his calipahte) heretics

You have made a good point. Thanks.

Ahmedis , hindus are in the same basket shias will be next followed the rest of 72 sects.. We may realise when Baghdadi the calipha may ask to sign some kind of declaration declaring unbeleivers (in his calipahte) heretics

Some BJP or RSS jerk made the comment that India is the only place (he was exaggerating wildly; what about Malaysia or Indonesia?) where all the sects of Islam could live together peacefully.

While I react with instinctive violence to Sangh Parivar types, and was about to jump down his throat, it struck me that what he was saying was (with exceptions) true. This is without prejudice to the riots at the time of Muharram in some cities, riots that have happened through recent history.