To whom does the term 'Aryan' belong?

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What did it say?

“The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the universe can have no material representation, likeness or image.”—Yajur Veda 32:3.




“They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti—the material cause of the world—in place of the All-pervading God, but those who worship visible things born of the Prakrti, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time.”—Yajur Veda 40:9.

 

[priti]

So idolwoshiping is NOT part of original hinduism and we can shun the idols?

idol worship is one form of worship. some hindus like arya samajhis dont have idol worship.you need to understand that hinduism is a term that has been given by outsiders.philosophy, dharma and such kind of questioning is the real meaning behind a lot of people who are lumped as following hinduism.

 

[Sugarcane]

Dude Hinduism has lot of faiths, people can follow any faith. People can also worship single GOD.

Do you consider Muslims, Christians & Jews as part of Hinduism ?

 

[Azazel]

So idolwoshiping is NOT part of original hinduism and we can shun the idols?

It was.People always worshipped idols from the stone age.But the Hindu philosophy never emphasized it as an important aspect of Indian religion.More important were given to aspects like dualism,Vedanta,Nyaya and Yoga.

 

[LaBong]

Do you consider Muslims, Christians & Jews as part of Hinduism ?

Are Islam, Christianity and Judaism indigenous religions of India?

 

[Srinivas]

Do you consider Muslims, Christians & Jews as part of Hinduism ?

Yesterday I went to a Shiva Temple there Maszid and Allah is mentioned in a song.

 

[Azazel]

Do you consider Muslims, Christians & Jews as part of Hinduism ?

Do they follow the path of Dharma??

 

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“The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the universe can have no material representation, likeness or image.”—Yajur Veda 32:3.




“They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti—the material cause of the world—in place of the All-pervading God, but those who worship visible things born of the Prakrti, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time.”—Yajur Veda 40:9.

Yes and religions/beliefs go through evolution, as I said Hinduism isn't a codifed religion. The concept of Father Christmas is also very recent. Does'nt mean those who enjoy Christmas celebrations with Santa are not Christians.

 

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It was.People always worshipped idols from the stone age.But the Hindu philosophy never emphasized it as an important aspect of Indian religion.More important were given to aspects like dualism,Vedanta,Nyaya and Yoga.

Since we are talking about vedic aryan, the Indians claim that they are all just one they are aryans and there is nothing different between dravidians and aryans (may be after centuries you guys want to narrow the divisions by stating so, its a good thing for local unity), however saying that it has anything to do with ONLY language and NOT race and religion and culture well its indeed a wrong claim.

Vedic Aryans were different people with different religion and practices, some of them migrated southward and lost their origional faith and culture , indeed they cursed those tribes of theirs who stayed back (Sapta Sindhu).

the rituals which are followed now by hindus in India as many of you have said were adopted over time hence it can be implied that these are changing things and should not be made basis for taking offense at ?

Yes and religions/beliefs go through evolution, as I said Hinduism isn't a codifed religion. The concept of Father Christmas is also very recent. Does'nt mean those who enjoy Christmas celebrations with Santa are not Christians.

funny celeberating holi also does not make you hindu but following hindu gods does pollute the faith of non hindus simple logic.


the Rigveda clearly stated who were Aryans and what was their faith. the reality is they were NOT Hindus .

Hindus were dravidians. some of aryans (few from their tribe/s) went southward India and adopted dravidian faith. So you may have some desi aryans in your folds in India but the reality is India is majority dravidian

Do they follow the path of Dharma??

Aryans were also NOT part of dharma.

Above all awhile back you Indians were saying that hinduism is ever changing and their is NO strict rule of following dharma so why you have to have this rule for Christians or for that matter any other faith to become part of hinduism?

 

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Since we are talking about vedic aryan, the Indians claim that they are all just one they are aryans and there is nothing different between dravidians and aryans (may be after centuries you guys want to narrow the divisions by stating so, its a good thing for local unity), however saying that it has anything to do with ONLY language and NOT race and religion and culture well its indeed a wrong claim.

Vedic Aryans were different people with different religion and practices, some of them migrated southward and lost their origional faith and culture , indeed they cursed those tribes of theirs who stayed back (Sapta Sindhu).

the rituals which are followed now by hindus in India as many of you have said were adopted over time hence it can be implied that these are changing things and should not be made basis for taking offense at ?



funny celeberating holi also does not make you hindu but following hindu gods does pollute the faith of non hindus simple logic.


the Rigveda clearly stated who were Aryans and what was their faith. the reality is they were NOT Hindus .

Hindus were dravidians. some of aryans (few from their tribe/s) went southward India and adopted dravidian faith. So you may have some desi aryans in your folds in India but the reality is India is majority dravidian



Aryans were also NOT part of dharma.

Above all awhile back you Indians were saying that hinduism is ever changing and their is NO strict rule of following dharma so why you have to have this rule for Christians or for that matter any other faith to become part of hinduism?

Werent Indra, Agni, Vayu etc. worshipped by the vedics also "hindu" gods ??

 

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Werent Indra, Agni, Vayu etc. worshipped by the vedics also "hindu" gods ??

NO Indra was vedic Aryan god which later adopted by hindus and termed it another form of shiva which by the way was NOT again it implies that those vedic aryan tribe who migrated to south were consumbed by dravidian faith.

may be it has more to do with minimising the influence of migrators which by the way dravidians did.

"In Rig Veda, the gods of Dyaus is the same as the Greek Zeus (Roman Jupiter), Mitra is the same as the Graeco-Roman Mithras, Ushas is the same as the Greek Eos (Roman Aurora), and

Agni is the same as the Graeco-Roman Ignis. "

 

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NO Indra was vedic Aryan god which later adopted by hindus and termed it another form of shiva which by the way was NOT again it implies that those vedic aryan tribe who migrated to south were consumbed by dravidian faith.

may be it has more to do with minimising the influence of migrators which by the way dravidians did.

"In Rig Veda, the gods of Dyaus is the same as the Greek Zeus (Roman Jupiter), Mitra is the same as the Graeco-Roman Mithras, Ushas is the same as the Greek Eos (Roman Aurora), and

Agni is the same as the Graeco-Roman Ignis. "

Indra was the leader of Devtas. While Shiva was one the 3 Gods. They are totally different entities. The 3 Gods were/are >> in heirarchy than devtas.

 

[BeyondHeretic]

It belongs to Iran and the Iranian people.

certainly not the Kurdish community who claim descent from the anciet Medes

 

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Indra was the leader of Devtas. While Shiva was one the 3 Gods. They are totally different entities. The 3 Gods were/are >> in heirarchy than devtas.

NOT in Rigvedic aryans

 

[priti]

NO Indra was vedic Aryan god which later adopted by hindus and termed it another form of shiva which by the way was NOT again it implies that those vedic aryan tribe who migrated to south were consumbed by dravidian faith.

may be it has more to do with minimising the influence of migrators which by the way dravidians did.

"In Rig Veda, the gods of Dyaus is the same as the Greek Zeus (Roman Jupiter), Mitra is the same as the Graeco-Roman Mithras, Ushas is the same as the Greek Eos (Roman Aurora), and

Agni is the same as the Graeco-Roman Ignis. "

in other words hindus were aryan descendents