There are limits to our restraint: Pakistan tells India

[Taimoor Khan]

What tune? All I hear is somebody dancing in front of a mirror.

You dont hear rather watch the dance. Maybe its your sidekick hellfire? was the curry bit spicy?

You see my friend, when the reply become one liner, it means one thing only. You are already my b|tch.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Yes. and making others rears burn.



I'm afraid that's highly restricted.

Why? IF it did happen then the indian government would want to broadcast it to the rest of the world to malign Pakistan and showcase indian military power. That was the whole point. If not then it puts ALL indian claims in serious doubt.

 

[MadDog]

Nice story

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/Arm...dian-soldiers-killed/articleshow/54591510.cms

Offcourse Indians will reject it, otherwise how will they tell their fantasy operation to their public. First fake encounters, then fake battles and now a fake operation, Indian establishment is 21st century's Joseph Gobbel's propaganda machine. Please do explain how do you explain the one soldier captured, don't tell he was taking selfies on LOC and crossed by mistake the same day, when the situation was so hot on LOC. Your own foreign minister has accepted his arrest, lol this is a huge public embarrassment !!!

 

[Rupeshkumar]

There are limits to our restraint: Pakistan tells India
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By REUTERS
September 30, 2016
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UNITED NATIONS: Pakistan's U.N. envoy asked the president of the United Nations Security Council on Thursday to informally brief the body on the country's escalating tension with neighboring India and said she will discuss it with U.N. chief Ban Ki-moon on Friday.

Indian officials claimed elite troops crossed into Azad Jammu Kashmir on Thursday and killed suspected militants preparing to infiltrate India and carry out attacks on major cities.

Pakistani U.N. Ambassador Maleeha Lodhi told Reuters she met with New Zealand's U.N. Ambassador Gerard van Bohemen, who is president of the 15-member Security Council for September.

"I brought to his attention the dangerous situation that is building up in our region as a result of Indian provocation," she said. "Our call to the international community is avert a crisis before there is one."

India's U.N. mission was not immediately available to comment.

Van Bohemen said he told the council on Thursday that Lodhi had visited him to raise concerns about the situation with India. "I briefed the council on her approach," he said.

"Pakistan is showing maximum restraint but there are limits to our restraint if India continues with provocations," Lodhi said. "Right now our effort is just to tell everyone 'this is what's happened so far, watch this space because it's a very dangerous space'."

She said there had already been "ominous signs of unusual movement" along the border with movements of troops and tanks and credible reports of Indian evacuations of some areas.

No need to show restrain. Come on attack us, we have carried out cross LOC operations...

 

[NAVY SEAL]

Ac

You bhartis want war, you will get one.

Pakistan nation narrative is that they got best army which can't lie to the nation.so if they say nothing happen no way they cross check that narrative.in Last two days and even before the time OBL episode I know many members of view that if it all happen definitely with permission of their army otherwise nothing happens and same narrative is now

Offcourse Indians will reject it, otherwise how will they tell their fantasy operation to their public. First fake encounters, then fake battles and now a fake operation, Indian establishment is 21st century's Joseph Gobbel's propaganda machine. Please do explain how do you explain the one soldier captured, don't tell he was taking selfies on LOC and crossed by mistake the same day, when the situation was so hot on LOC. Your own foreign minister has accepted his arrest, lol this is a huge public embarrassment !!!

Actually you know what no citizen of Pakistan can think even that their army lies to their people as its the army which your Las hope and if that fails..

 

[idune]

If there were no cross border surgical strike by India then what restrain ? firing on the border is not un common we had seen many times in recent time s. both countries media are hiding and exaggerating what actually happened .

Firing in multiple fronts and killing soldiers are not some ordinary occurrence. Besides, "surgical strike" has its military definition and facts on the ground does not match indian claim.

 

[abrar khan]

If there were no cross border surgical strike by India then what restrain ? firing on the border is not un common we had seen many times in recent time s. both countries media are hiding and exaggerating what actually happened .

Dear what we are doing is to endorse that india is trying to escalate the tension at loc, their media is mongering for war, this is our right to brief the international community, our point of view and the ground realities via our ambassadors. Its not about Indian fake operation which is just a face saving campaign of Modi and his jockers.

 

[monitor]

Firing in multiple fronts and killing soldiers are not some ordinary occurrence. Besides, "surgical strike" has its military definition and facts on the ground does not match indian claim.

Only two Pakistani soldiers died,not very big number. As per one Indian pdf member operation area had dense jungle which work as cover along with dark night. Though crowling 1/2 Km and killing Fighters inside enemy territory seems unbelievable. We have to wait until thing cool down and independent explaination come out.

 

[Moonlight]

But responding to what? As per Pakistan, there was no 'surgical strike', but a few small arms fire and a bit of mortars. So what restraint?

How dare you cross the border and martyr our jawans. We are peace loving and never to start any conflict. But if India hits us, we will hit back even harder.
After the Uri attack, who is not shutting up? Nagging Pakistan and provoking for a great action.

Who wouldn't defend its country when being attacked?

 

[MM_Haider]

If there were no cross border surgical strike by India then what restrain ? firing on the border is not un common we had seen many times in recent time s. both countries media are hiding and exaggerating what actually happened .

bro since India conducted a presser and briefed 25 countries on this cross LoC firing.. and posed it as if they carried out surgical strikes.. Pakistan has no option than no to let any stone un turned to show to the world the Indian nefarious designs. Her Excellency Maleeha Lodhi told UN that one of the Indian soldiers was captured alive and many killed as they tried to infiltrate. you Bengali brothers just watch and see how India will come to terms in near future.

Only two Pakistani soldiers died,not very big number. As per one Indian pdf member operation area had dense jungle which work as cover along with dark night. Though crowling 1/2 Km and killing Fighters inside enemy territory seems unbelievable. We have to wait until thing cool down and independent explaination come out.

Bro don't wait for things to cool down and listen carefully... Indians tried to infiltrate and their whole team neutralized or wiped off! One Jawan is captured ALIVE.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You dont hear rather watch the dance. Maybe its your sidekick hellfire? was the curry bit spicy?

You see my friend, when the reply become one liner, it means one thing only. You are already my b|tch.

LOL.
That is the characteristic of the gasbag variety of phony expert - when everything else fails and they are exposed for everyone to see and to laugh at, they start personal, ethnic and sexual innuendo.
So you have run out of expert comments and admit defeat?

 

[BijliKhala]

We have faith in our DGMO, unlike yours, who keep on changing colors every day.

You should be enjoying the Propaganda Video (vintage 1990) feed to you till another shock to you with the reality in the similar ways during Kargil war, when you was winning every day, and Srinagar is just few miles away and then the shocker that PA lost all the peaks with the Global embarasment, and Nawaz Sharif admitting it openly.




It is indeed a Bluff. For the Nuclear weapon to be possess, you need to first test it. And we already know the industrial cabability of the Pakistan to produce the triggering device mechanism for the device.

International matters do not run on faith. If you are sure that SF conducted a dream strikes across the border, why running away from showing some concrete proofs? There are several versions of thrillin storiez being aired by your media and their substance doffer each other. Dont come up with lame reasons, just to the point, and if you dont have anything, then dont tag me please.

Thanks

 

[Taimoor Khan]

LOL.
That is the characteristic of the gasbag variety of phony expert - when everything else fails and they are exposed for everyone to see and to laugh at, they start personal, ethnic and sexual innuendo.
So you have run out of expert comments and admit defeat?

As I said, you are already my b!tch, and what you are doing right now is moaning. I will let you moan. People are laughing at you and you are providing good entertainment. Lookup son, check our conversation, you are already in my pocket.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Why? IF it did happen then the indian government would want to broadcast it to the rest of the world to malign Pakistan and showcase indian military power. That was the whole point. If not then it puts ALL indian claims in serious doubt.

There are specific reasons to restrict the photographs and videographs; they have to do with the details of the operation, as they reveal certain details which are not desirable to be shown at the moment.

It is also not important for the Indian government to broadcast it to the rest of the world to malign Pakistan and showcase Indian military power; by thinking that, you are letting yourself think like the rest of the fanboys. The rest of the world knows what it needs to know. All the major powers were briefed, to the extent necessary. They do not need to be convinced with the kind of specific forensic detail that you are asking for, because some of these governments know, from their own experience, what is credible and what is not. They are aware that there is a long history of cross-border raiding; they are aware that certain things are possible,certain other things are not possible. They can piece together, as some experts on PDF already have, the most probable scenario, including various options for action within a scenario. They can judge, from the statements released by ISPR, what, out of the possible options, might have been the most probable option. They also get reinforcement of their own reconstructions from comparison and evaluation of the contrary ideas given to them by each government concerned. And some of them, with their superior intelligence-gathering methods and capabilities, already know as much as the Indian and Pakistani governments and their militaries know.

So they don't need convincing. They need reassuring. They get reassurances from the government; this is now of primary importance, once they know that something happened, and what most likely happened. They have been getting precisely that from the Delhi government, and that is one reason, among other reasons, why they are inclined to believe what is being said to them by India.

That will obviously not convince fanboys, who are deeply invested in the loyalty to 'their' side, 'their' army, 'their' cause. To these fanboys, Indian and Pakistani, nothing short of a film script will be of interest, or will be worth believing.It MUST have been like it has been in movies that they have seen, because they have no other standard of comparison. Unlike governments, which are able to grasp the essentials from a relatively few bare facts, fanboys need convincing in detail, not only that something happened, but also that their own side's contrary statements are false. That is never going to happen. Convincing fanboys is never going to be possible, because their being convinced, to them, means the complete destruction of their fundamental faith and belief. So it won't happen. Pictures will have been doctored, videos will have been tampered with, documents will be forged, clues will have been manufactured.

Therefore, there is no point in giving away vital aspects of the operation merely to gain the approbation of those who don't matter, those who are part of the problem, yet not part of the solutions.

There are a bare handful on this forum who are sufficiently connected to find out what might have happened. Their conclusions have already been presented. Nothing else is going to happen for the time being.

International matters do not run on faith. If you are sure that SF conducted a dream strikes across the border, why running away from showing some concrete proofs? There are several versions of thrillin storiez being aired by your media and their substance doffer each other. Dont come up with lame reasons, just to the point, and if you dont have anything, then dont tag me please.

Thanks

International matters do not run on faith, they also do not run on the laws of evidence required by courts. They run on credibility. None of the ridiculous stories created by media are correct; this is emphatically not what other governments have been told. They have been told the truth, and they will have resources to gauge the authenticity of what they are being told, and the experience of past briefings and subsequent developments to allow them to assign credibility to these.

As I said, you are already my b!tch, and what you are doing right now is moaning. I will let you moan. People are laughing at you and you are providing good entertainment. Lookup son, check our conversation, you are already in my pocket.

Heh.

I am afraid you have just been using the same language, the same coarse insults, the same defences that phonies do when they are caught. Give it up before you run out of space and start getting punished. You won't get told this again.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

There are specific reasons to restrict the photographs and videographs; they have to do with the details of the operation, as they reveal certain details which are not desirable to be shown at the moment.

It is also not important for the Indian government to broadcast it to the rest of the world to malign Pakistan and showcase Indian military power; by thinking that, you are letting yourself think like the rest of the fanboys. The rest of the world knows what it needs to know. All the major powers were briefed, to the extent necessary. They do not need to be convinced with the kind of specific forensic detail that you are asking for, because some of these governments know, from their own experience, what is credible and what is not. They are aware that there is a long history of cross-border raiding; they are aware that certain things are possible,certain other things are not possible. They can piece together, as some experts on PDF already have, the most probable scenario, including various options for action within a scenario. They can judge, from the statements released by ISPR, what, out of the possible options, might have been the most probable option. They also get reinforcement of their own reconstructions from comparison and evaluation of the contrary ideas given to them by each government concerned. And some of them, with their superior intelligence-gathering methods and capabilities, already know as much as the Indian and Pakistani governments and their militaries know.

So they don't need convincing. They need reassuring. They get reassurances from the government; this is now of primary importance, once they know that something happened, and what most likely happened. They have been getting precisely that from the Delhi government, and that is one reason, among other reasons, why they are inclined to believe what is being said to them by India.

That will obviously not convince fanboys, who are deeply invested in the loyalty to 'their' side, 'their' army, 'their' cause. To these fanboys, Indian and Pakistani, nothing short of a film script will be of interest, or will be worth believing.It MUST have been like it has been in movies that they have seen, because they have no other standard of comparison. Unlike governments, which are able to grasp the essentials from a relatively few bare facts, fanboys need convincing in detail, not only that something happened, but also that their own side's contrary statements are false. That is never going to happen. Convincing fanboys is never going to be possible, because their being convinced, to them, means the complete destruction of their fundamental faith and belief. So it won't happen. Pictures will have been doctored, videos will have been tampered with, documents will be forged, clues will have been manufactured.

Therefore, there is no point in giving away vital aspects of the operation merely to gain the approbation of those who don't matter, those who are part of the problem, yet not part of the solutions.

There are a bare handful on this forum who are sufficiently connected to find out what might have happened. Their conclusions have already been presented. Nothing else is going to happen for the time being.



International matters do not run on faith, they also do not run on the laws of evidence required by courts. They run on credibility. None of the ridiculous stories created by media are correct; this is emphatically not what other governments have been told. They have been told the truth, and they will have resources to gauge the authenticity of what they are being told, and the experience of past briefings and subsequent developments to allow them to assign credibility to these.

You're explanation above is far too logical and rational for the indian media. IF the so called "surgical strike" was in ANY way successful then they would have showed something by now. Even the americans did after the OBL raid. All your post above has done is consolidate the theory that india DID in fact ATTEMPT a strike but something went disastrously wrong for them. This resulted in more escalated fighting on the LOC whereby the failure of the attempted strike has been drowned out. Even during the OBL raid, the americans lost a number of special forces soldiers and an advanced stealth helicopter:

http://www.popsci.com/technology/ar...helicopters-ferried-troops-obl-kill-operation

The lack of evidence from india is very telling and says a million words.